Steelers have traded for Jalen Ramsey.

[Avoid_Lloyd]

I don't think it's coincidence that when Minkah came in and didn't know the D he played lights out. I feel like he has become Tomlinized and just started going through the motions. I would not be happy either if we use 2 DL and would have to constantly tackle RBs speeding at me. Coverages are tough to sort out blame, but there seems to be an issue across the board when passing off players between zones. I think the scheme is just too vanilla and passive which leads large gaps due to not wanting players to get behind you. Troy drove LeBeau crazy because he would go off-script, but his instincts were so good. He also had the perfect partner with Clark. I feel that Tomlin wouldn't have let Troy be Troy and we would be talking about Troy being a bust. My main issue is Tomlin doesn't see anything wrong with his schemes and doesn't try to adjust he just tries a different player and expects different results.

Great point, Minkah made a lot of tackles on RBs thanks to Tomlins genius 2 DL package. Can Thornhill who missed 12 games the last 2 years stay healthy doing that? Will Ramsey be happy doing that and be able to do that if he gets moved to FS?

Might be worth throwing a 4th or 5th rounder at a safety if someone will trade for that

 

[Steeler Pride]

If Minkah can circle all these way back around to Miami OBVIOUSLY it’s time to give AB a second go at it as WR2…he’d be a killer in this offense with A A Rodg

Pretty certain AB would have to come back into the US and deal with his warrants first. Second, he would have to deal with the fact that he as a steaming pile of dog **** for brains now. Finally, that would involve him having some level of accountability and responsibility.

 

[Superman]

 

[stillwright]

Pretty certain AB would have to come back into the US and deal with his warrants first. Second, he would have to deal with the fact that he as a steaming pile of dog **** for brains now. Finally, that would involve him having some level of accountability and responsibility.

So you are basically saying we can get him in the cheap.

We signed Sutton last season after he choked out his wife. I guess why not AB now also.

Get it done Omar!!!!

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

i bet hes already had it in the cheap.

 

[Drink IRON City]

If Minkah can circle all these way back around to Miami OBVIOUSLY it’s time to give AB a second go at it as WR2…he’d be a killer in this offense with A A Rodg

Would he (AB) get his jersey number back ?

I see our punter gave up his number 5 to the Ramsey.

NOTE: Most of the time when a jersey number is acquired by in-coming player they usually buy it from the current player. It is up to current player if the deal is made or not, thus possibly higher $$$bidding$$$ by incumbent.

A lot of times if I remember right it’s around 30-50 grand. In this case I hope it’s in the 100+ as Ramsey has big contract as opposed to punter’s contract. I want the punter to make bank.




Salute the nation

 

[diver]

New Trail is my favorite brewery at the moment. I just run out of their "Rained Out" IPA, that was phenomenal. Planning to visit the brewery in the next few weeks after me and the boy do some fly fishing on Pine Creek. just waiting for this damn rain to stop so the streams clear up a bit and slow the hell down.

I keep trying to get up to the Penns and everytime I have a chance the stream report says Blown! And the guy in Weikert with the fly shop...good guy...he has been posting how great the fishing is when it comes down some. Of course, I can't get there then.

I went at the beginning of June anyway and ended up fishing wild streams. The water on those was fast too, but at least more clear. I worked my azs off for a handful of wild brooks, but it's worth it.

I used to drink pretty much nothing but New Trail, but so much is hazy and I've lost the taste for hazy or IPAs that are too over the top. Its a great place to stop by. And that puls is damn good.

 

[Steelersfan84]

They must feel Minkah lost a couple steps and them moving him around wasn't the problem with his production. This trade doesn't make much sense. Hopefully, it is no worse than a swap of players and we aren't dumb enough to send them a pick as well for the 31 yo Ramsey.

Im still trying to see the logic behind it too.

 

[Confluence]

If Minkah can circle all these way back around to Miami OBVIOUSLY it’s time to give AB a second go at it as WR2…he’d be a killer in this offense with A A Rodg

That is an interesting Tomcept.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Great point, Minkah made a lot of tackles on RBs thanks to Tomlins genius 2 DL package. Can Thornhill who missed 12 games the last 2 years stay healthy doing that? Will Ramsey be happy doing that and be able to do that if he gets moved to FS?

Might be worth throwing a 4th or 5th rounder at a safety if someone will trade for that

That package is a league wide staple. We were pretty successful with it with Cam in and were terrible with Cam out. It isn't really 2 DL as much as a hybrid 4-3 with Highsmith and Watt as the DE's. The issues with it were more personnel than scheme in my opinion. Other than Cam, and to lesser extent Benton, they just were not holding their point. The league has morphed into needing a nickel package much more frequently and very little base defense. Hopefully the additions made on the line and at CB allow us to Hold the line and slow the receivers down enough to rectify those issues in the scheme. Trading for Ramsey was a big key as we now have 3 hopefully very effective man to man cover guys who will make the QB hold the ball half a second longer and give TJ and company time to get home. the 2000 yds given up to slot receivers has to get fixed and Minkah wasn't helping that as much as Ramsey will be able to. Couple that with RB's that fit the scheme and we the defense may look even better if we can hold onto the ball.

 

[FordFairLane]

Steelers trade Pickens because of his “attitude,” yet sign Rodgers and trade for DK and Ramsey

 

[topseed]

In case of injury wasn't the scenario that was presented, and is something COMPLETELY different.

Really? Bullshit. I guess I imagined it when YOU said THIS: "You need someone to take over the FS role, and if you're expecting Thornhill to be that guy, you still need a back up plan because of how much time he has missed."

The fact that Thornhill started 22 games over the last two seasons, doesn't negate the fact that he also missed 12 games the past two seasons. That is the reason that he was even available. IF he can stay healthy, GREAT... but the two years in a row, missing six games EACH season, and for the SAME injury is a major cause for concern. And if Ramsey is the only plan at the back-up FS spot, God help us all... because a 34 yr old Slay is certainly going to play all 17 games and every defensive snap without worry right?

Worry away, bud. Because, you know, the secondary play with Minkah at free safety was so outstanding over the last few years.

But by all means, present a scenario that didn't exist in my argument against moving the CB we just traded for and are about to pay $26,000,000 this year to FS where we just shipped out an ACTUAL FS that was set to make $23,000,000 because he wasn't making enough splash plays playing 25 yards off the LOS.

Yes, it most certainly DID exist in your argument. It's right there in bold up above.

The Steelers obviously didn't trade for Jalen Ramsey to have him switch to free safety. But he is willing to play the position if it comes to that.

And the Steelers are NOT "about to pay $26,000,000 this year." Wrong again. Miami has already paid a $4 million roster bonus, and they added another $3 mill to facilitate the trade. So what the Steelers will pay is in the 18-19 range, while his cap hit will be less $8,000,000 this season. But by all means, just ignore the actual numbers if they don't help your failed argument.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

That package is a league wide staple. We were pretty successful with it with Cam in and were terrible with Cam out. It isn't really 2 DL as much as a hybrid 4-3 with Highsmith and Watt as the DE's. The issues with it were more personnel than scheme in my opinion. Other than Cam, and to lesser extent Benton, they just were not holding their point. The league has morphed into needing a nickel package much more frequently and very little base defense. Hopefully the additions made on the line and at CB allow us to Hold the line and slow the receivers down enough to rectify those issues in the scheme. Trading for Ramsey was a big key as we now have 3 hopefully very effective man to man cover guys who will make the QB hold the ball half a second longer and give TJ and company time to get home. the 2000 yds given up to slot receivers has to get fixed and Minkah wasn't helping that as much as Ramsey will be able to. Couple that with RB's that fit the scheme and we the defense may look even better if we can hold onto the ball.

The ravens gashed us in the run twice in 3 games.

Trading Minkah subtracted one of the best tacklers on a team that doesn’t tackle well.

I do think Ramsey makes the D better for a couple of years until he loses a step, but just like trading Pickens-they’ve created a hole with no way to fill it and all on a team that is big time built to try to win now with tons of key players over 30 years old

It all feels like there’s a sense of desperation right now- hopefully that leads to better/more aggressiveschemes and gameplans

For example Tomlin had better find a way to keep his defensive with almost all key players over 30 years old from being on the field the whole game like the past 5 years

Will he have the stones to let Slay, Ramsey, and Porter play man and send more guys to the line of scrimmage to stop the run and rush the QB? Or do we live in our fears some more?

 

[insaniti]

Really? Bullshit. I guess I imagined it when YOU said THIS: "You need someone to take over the FS role, and if you're expecting Thornhill to be that guy, you still need a back up plan because of how much time he has missed."

Worry away, bud. Because, you know, the secondary play with Minkah at free safety was so outstanding over the last few years.

Yes, it most certainly DID exist in your argument. It's right there in bold up above.

The Steelers obviously didn't trade for Jalen Ramsey to have him switch to free safety. But he is willing to play the position if it comes to that.

And the Steelers are NOT "about to pay $26,000,000 this year." Wrong again. Miami has already paid a $4 million roster bonus, and they added another $3 mill to facilitate the trade. So what the Steelers will pay is in the 18-19 range, while his cap hit will be less $8,000,000 this season. But by all means, just ignore the actual numbers if they don't help your failed argument.

Since you have trouble reading.

The bold statement was you need a back up plan for Thornhill. The posts that I were replying to about moving Ramsey to FS was NOT about him filling in, but moving him PERMANENTLY. Which my response was, you don't make that player of player trade if that was the intent. Minkah has played very well the last few years, doing what the coaches have asked him to do. The splash plays haven't been there, but it's still been solid play. And when you take your play making safety, that has been roaming more in the box and at worst 10 yards off the LOS, and move him to be the last line of defense because you're playing scared now, the splash plays will drop off. And putting a different all-pro player back in the same exactly position isn't going to change the results...So again, they didn't make the trade to move him.

As for the money, you are wrong. The Dolphins paid him $7m this year, the Steelers added $1.5m bringing his guaranteed money this year to $26.6m, his cap hit for this year is actually $16.6m, add in the Minkah dead cap of $6.8m and this move costs us $23.4m in cap space this year. So pretty much exactly what it would have cost to keep Minkah.

AND, you still need a viable back up for Thornhill, because Ramsey filling in at FS on a new defense shouldn't be your plan A, it should be plan B or C at best. Right now there are 4 safeties, 3 are SS.

But hey, by all means carry-on

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

The ravens gashed us in the run twice in 3 games.

Trading Minkah subtracted one of the best tacklers on a team that doesn’t tackle well.

I do think Ramsey makes the D better for a couple of years until he loses a step, but just like trading Pickens-they’ve created a hole with no way to fill it and all on a team that is big time built to try to win now with tons of key players over 30 years old

It all feels like there’s a sense of desperation right now- hopefully that leads to better/more aggressiveschemes and gameplans

For example Tomlin had better find a way to keep his defensive with almost all key players over 30 years old from being on the field the whole game like the past 5 years

Will he have the stones to let Slay, Ramsey, and Porter play man and send more guys to the line of scrimmage to stop the run and rush the QB? Or do we live in our fears some more?

We already play more man than most teams the last few years, but our number two corner was not up to the task. The defense got younger where we needed it to on the line. Take away Cam and the average age falls a lot. The two Rookies and free agent DL should theoretically at least do wonders for the run defense. So should having a competent QB allowed to use the whole field. I haven't watched Ramsey a lot, but he is supposedly a good run defender. Safety is easier to fill than a cover corner.

 

[Drink IRON City]

We already play more man than most teams the last few years, but our number two corner was not up to the task. The defense got younger where we needed it to on the line. Take away Cam and the average age falls a lot. The two Rookies and free agent DL should theoretically at least do wonders for the run defense. So should having a competent QB allowed to use the whole field. I haven't watched Ramsey a lot, but he is supposedly a good run defender. Safety is easier to fill than a cover corner.

Gg


I truly hope this all works out, but the Aaaa-Ron experiment hasn’t even played one down.

Ben was limited by the Tomlin. Ben is the ultimate gunslinger and took things in his own hands late in the games. He took risks and managed 7 come from behind win in his last season here.

Aaaa-Ron isn’t known for taking those “high risk” throws needed for urgency. The Tomlin limited Ben in over the middle play and Ben is one the greatest Steelers play to play the game.

Suddenly the Tomlin is going to open things up, unlimited over the middle, major scheme change……….. reality says possible subtle to moderate change, but no new overhaul.

I want total change of coaching staff but also realize the situation of where this coach / owner have settled.

I support the team with eyes wide open.





Salute the nation

 

[Fiji Mariner]

That is an interesting Tomcept.

Bring back the killer Bs
With a whole new meaning and more street cred

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

We already play more man than most teams the last few years, but our number two corner was not up to the task. The defense got younger where we needed it to on the line. Take away Cam and the average age falls a lot. The two Rookies and free agent DL should theoretically at least do wonders for the run defense. So should having a competent QB allowed to use the whole field. I haven't watched Ramsey a lot, but he is supposedly a good run defender. Safety is easier to fill than a cover corner.

You honestly think Tomlin will give rookie DL men a lot of playing time?

 

[slashsteel]

You honestly think Tomlin will give rookie DL men a lot of playing time?

They have went on record in saying the 1st rounder will start …..

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

They have went on record in saying the 1st rounder will start …..

I hope so. My point here is this is a defense with tons of key players over 30 years old.

They’ve been on the field way too much the past 4 years due to Tomlins crappy schemes of bend don’t break defense and an offense of run, run again/pass 5 yards downfield to the sideline, chuck it down the sideline for a 3rd down jump ball.

If Tomlin green lit a defense whose best 4 players of Ramsey/Slay/Watt/Heyward all over 30 with health to preserve, will he also change away from his stubborn schemes to fit his personnel, not to mention Rodgers and a tight end heavy offense….

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

You honestly think Tomlin will give rookie DL men a lot of playing time?

Absolutely I do. I would bet on it. Particularly the first-round pick. Not sure he honestly has much choice in the matter.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I hope so. My point here is this is a defense with tons of key players over 30 years old.

They’ve been on the field way too much the past 4 years due to Tomlins crappy schemes of bend don’t break defense and an offense of run, run again/pass 5 yards downfield to the sideline, chuck it down the sideline for a 3rd down jump ball.

If Tomlin green lit a defense whose best 4 players of Ramsey/Slay/Watt/Heyward all over 30 with health to preserve, will he also change away from his stubborn schemes to fit his personnel, not to mention Rodgers and a tight end heavy offense….

I think he will from the word we are getting from OTA's and based on the moves they have made. I will be more worried if something happens to Rodgers and we have to play Mason or Howard, then I am afraid of an all too conservative offense. Even Cowher made things more conservative than his normal already conservative second half turtle ball when Ben was rookie.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Absolutely I do. I would bet on it. Particularly the first-round pick. Not sure he honestly has much choice in the matter.

Cam played 71% of snaps last year and is another year older. If he defies Father Time yet again maybe he can play 65% of snaps this year

Benton played on only 43% of snaps last year

That leaves a lot of snaps available for Harmon

Have to agree with ya

The 5th rounder will likely see much less duty as a situational run defender/goal line guy…unless injuries dictate a larger role

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Since you have trouble reading.

The bold statement was you need a back up plan for Thornhill. The posts that I were replying to about moving Ramsey to FS was NOT about him filling in, but moving him PERMANENTLY. Which my response was, you don't make that player of player trade if that was the intent. Minkah has played very well the last few years, doing what the coaches have asked him to do. The splash plays haven't been there, but it's still been solid play. And when you take your play making safety, that has been roaming more in the box and at worst 10 yards off the LOS, and move him to be the last line of defense because you're playing scared now, the splash plays will drop off. And putting a different all-pro player back in the same exactly position isn't going to change the results...So again, they didn't make the trade to move him.

As for the money, you are wrong. The Dolphins paid him $7m this year, the Steelers added $1.5m bringing his guaranteed money this year to $26.6m, his cap hit for this year is actually $16.6m, add in the Minkah dead cap of $6.8m and this move costs us $23.4m in cap space this year. So pretty much exactly what it would have cost to keep Minkah.

AND, you still need a viable back up for Thornhill, because Ramsey filling in at FS on a new defense shouldn't be your plan A, it should be plan B or C at best. Right now there are 4 safeties, 3 are SS.

But hey, by all means carry-on

Ramsey is a better and more versatile player than Minkah. The defense is better with Ramsey instead of Minkah. Why is that hard to grasp?

As for the cap impact, who cares? Steelers are in great shape with the cap.

Why should the steelers wet their pants about their #3 safety? Go look at depth charts and the #3 safety on each team and then tell me which team is all set with a great #3 safety just ready to go.

Ramsey can and likely will be a hybrid player with the steelers. I don't care about the position label. It's about getting your 5 best DBs on the field in nickel. The 5 best DBs are Porter, Ramsey, Slay, Eliot, Thornhill.

The steelers improved their team and they did not give away any of their high picks for next year when they clearly seem to be targeting their QB.

 

[Phoenix1172]

What are the chances Ramsey pulls a Rod Woodson and finishes out his career at safety? I've read some think he could be an all pro at the position.