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Iran

You know, I served in Afghanistan three times. During those three tours under three presidents, we were hit with rockets and missiles multiple times. You know where those weapons came from? Iran. You know what I never heard? How much Iran killed innocents, funded terrorists and enabled atrocities for xx years. You know when I started hearing it? When it became a “conservative” talking point about a week ago. Now it’s the main talking point for conservatives.

You know, just about everyone outside of Trump world is tired of war, regardless of which president wages it or who it’s against. Between Trump, Rubio and Vance they can’t even agree on why we’re bombing Iran. I’ve seen enough of it. I’m tired of seeing so much money and so many lives wasted by war. And many of us are tired of seeing our government and military being led around by the nose by Israel.
With all due respect, Sir (and I feel a lot is due you), It wasn't until this uprising that they started with the killing of their people on any large scale, except the mistreatment of minority groups in their nation. They started this "talking point" recently. Stalin said that a few dead is a tragedy, but millions dead is a statistic. I would hate to think that this is something developing in our nation today.

My nephew's unit had a motto (it may have been the one for the entirety of the SF in the Army, I don't know) that read "De oppresso liber" if I remember correctly. It is Latin for "To liberate the oppressed." My nephew lived and loved that. He was proud to do for the little people what the "leadership" refused to do. He told me stories of absolute squaller that the majority of the people lived in, and the multi level opulence that the leadership lived in. It made him angry. I bring this up because he didn't feel like he was fighting for oil, new world order, etc., but for the little guy.

One more issue, it is not even any type of secret on any level that Iran has been funding the Houtis, Hezbolah, etc., from the beginning. I'm not sure why you didn't hear of it until recently. This is a widely known fact.
 
You know, I served in Afghanistan three times. During those three tours under three presidents, we were hit with rockets and missiles multiple times. You know where those weapons came from? Iran. You know what I never heard? How much Iran killed innocents, funded terrorists and enabled atrocities for xx years. You know when I started hearing it? When it became a “conservative” talking point about a week ago. Now it’s the main talking point for conservatives.

You know, just about everyone outside of Trump world is tired of war, regardless of which president wages it or who it’s against. Between Trump, Rubio and Vance they can’t even agree on why we’re bombing Iran. I’ve seen enough of it. I’m tired of seeing so much money and so many lives wasted by war. And many of us are tired of seeing our government and military being led around by the nose by Israel.

Really?
Well maybe it’s a “conservative talking point” because Irans killing of its people happens to be true.
Are you not seeing the celebrations in Washington, LA, London, by Iranians many who have fled from there?

Or are they just parroting “conservative talking points “ too?
 
Estimates show Iran killed between 30,000 and 40,000 of their citizens just in the past couple of months.
You said killed Americans. Lose an argument change the argument. Again, show me where you wanted a war to stop what was happening to Iranians.
Right.
Iran has killed innocents, Americans, funded terrorists who've done the same, enabled October 7th, and thousands more atrocities for 47 years.

Finally we have a leader who said enough is enough.
How do you and Trump feel about Saudi Arabia, 9/11 and the murder of Jamal Khashoggi? Thought so…
Attach Iran? Or attack Iran? I've wanted a Democratic government in Iran since I was 11 years old and the Shah was deposed. Don't speak for me.
Wow, you must have been a real dork at 11.
No, I'd have said it would have been like another botched Afghanistan withdrawal, or another $1.7Billion donation to Iran disguised as the Democratic attempt to initiate regime change.
We donate $18 Billion to Israel every year. The $1.7 Billion wasn’t donated. Step out of your misinformation bubble.

I believe it won't be. I believe it will be nothing like Obama's "limited" 7 month war with Libya - which you're notably silent about.

Stop being on the wrong side of history Pedodyte. Iranians have a CHANCE at resuming a democratic society.
You believed Trump, the pedophile you defend, when he said “no new wars” and “America first” until he told you to believe otherwise.

You’re in a cult.
 
You said killed Americans. Lose an argument change the argument. Again, show me where you wanted a war to stop what was happening to Iranians.

Right.

How do you and Trump feel about Saudi Arabia, 9/11 and the murder of Jamal Khashoggi? Thought so…

Wow, you must have been a real dork at 11.

We donate $18 Billion to Israel every year. The $1.7 Billion wasn’t donated. Step out of your misinformation bubble.


You believed Trump, the pedophile you defend, when he said “no new wars” and “America first” until he told you to believe otherwise.

You’re in a cult.
 
Why will it be the same?
Beginning to think we’ll be lucky if it’s not so much worse based on the number of countries involved, including Saudi Arabia, UAE and Lebanon - all part of 9/11. Think there won’t be ill will?

The U.S. can’t even evacuate its own citizens.
 
You said killed Americans. Lose an argument change the argument. Again, show me where you wanted a war to stop what was happening to Iranians.

Right.

How do you and Trump feel about Saudi Arabia, 9/11 and the murder of Jamal Khashoggi? Thought so…

Wow, you must have been a real dork at 11.

We donate $18 Billion to Israel every year. The $1.7 Billion wasn’t donated. Step out of your misinformation bubble.


You believed Trump, the pedophile you defend, when he said “no new wars” and “America first” until he told you to believe otherwise.

You’re in a cult.

Wow.
What a mess.
Your replies are reaches, having only vague relevance to what was said.

Good luck Tim trying to clean all that up.
 
How much Iran killed innocents, funded terrorists and enabled atrocities for xx years. You know when I started hearing it? When it became a “conservative” talking point about a week ago.

As stated many times before Sarge, I appreciate your service.

I'm surprised in the military you've not heard those comments. I'm not bringing this up to start an argument, but we've been hearing this argument for decades. It was discussed during/after October 7th extensively, as an example. It's been brought up each time Hezbollah attacks/kills. Or the Houthis. Or when reports come out of Iran about hangings or protests.

These are not new talking points. Their attacks and atrocities have been covered publicly for decades, this is fact.
 
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You said killed Americans. Lose an argument change the argument. Again, show me where you wanted a war to stop what was happening to Iranians.

I specifically said they have killed Americans, you overlooked that in previous comments. Here's a short list, since you're in need of an education. These are American deaths attributable to Iran:

608 Americans killed in Iraq were at the direct hands of Iran; 46 Americans died in the October 7th attacks; the Khobar Towers bombings killed 19; the Jordan Drone attack in 2024 killed 3 military members; the Beiruit barracks bombing killed 241.

Should I go on?


Proven wrong, twice now.

How do you and Trump feel about Saudi Arabia, 9/11 and the murder of Jamal Khashoggi? Thought so…

Since you seem to know, tell me what I think. This oughta be good.

Wow, you must have been a real dork at 11.

I remember the overthrow and the news coverage at the time and feeling remorse for the Iranians. There were only 3 TV stations at the time, and all of them covered it. My mom had the evening news on every night.

We donate $18 Billion to Israel every year. The $1.7 Billion wasn’t donated. Step out of your misinformation bubble.


You quote PBS (laughable) from 2018 (6 years ago) and want to be taken seriously?

You believed Trump, the pedophile you defend, when he said “no new wars” and “America first” until he told you to believe otherwise.

You’re in a cult.

So much Liberal babble in 2 sentences. Prove he's a pedophile. Until there's proof, you're just a buffoon spouting your TDS acting a fool. I voted for Peace Through Strength and believe this won't be a protracted 7 month affair like Libya. This is America first, no matter how much you argue it's Israel first. They are one of our major, key allies.

A cult involves people that drink Jim Jones kool-aid, believing in that which is not factual. Like screaming Trump is a pedophile.
 
Beginning to think we’ll be lucky if it’s not so much worse based on the number of countries involved, including Saudi Arabia, UAE and Lebanon - all part of 9/11. Think there won’t be ill will?

The U.S. can’t even evacuate its own citizens.

This isn't a prediction on your part, you're hoping for it.

Thus exposing what we've long said and you've denied. Deaths are ok for you if it allows you to score political points. You hope this becomes protracted simply so you can say Orange Man Wrong.
 
Good luck Tim trying to clean all that up.

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This is utterly fascinating. Mossad is scary.

Inside the plan to kill Ali Khamenei

Israel spent years hacking Tehran’s traffic cameras and monitoring bodyguards ahead of the assassination of Iran’s supreme leader
When the highly trained, loyal bodyguards and drivers of senior Iranian officials came to work near Pasteur Street in Tehran — where Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was killed in an Israeli air strike on Saturday — the Israelis were watching.

Nearly all the traffic cameras in Tehran had been hacked for years, their images encrypted and transmitted to servers in Tel Aviv and southern Israel, according to two people familiar with the matter.

One camera had an angle that proved particularly useful, according to one of the people, allowing them to determine where the men liked to park their personal cars and providing a window into the workings of a mundane part of the closely guarded compound.

Complex algorithms added details to dossiers on members of these security guards that included their addresses, hours of duty, routes they took to work and, most importantly, who they were usually assigned to protect and transport — building what intelligence officers call a “pattern of life”.

The capabilities were part of a years-long intelligence campaign that helped pave the way for the ayatollah’s assassination. This source of real-time data — one of hundreds of different streams of intelligence — was not the only way Israel and the CIA were able to determine exactly what time 86-year-old Khamenei would be in his offices this fateful Saturday morning and who would be joining him.

Nor was the fact that Israel was also able to disrupt single components of roughly a dozen or so mobile phone towers near Pasteur Street, making the phones seem as if they were busy when called and stopping Khamenei’s protection detail from receiving possible warnings.

Long before the bombs fell, “we knew Tehran like we know Jerusalem”, said one current Israeli intelligence official. “And when you know [a place] as well as you know the street you grew up on, you notice a single thing that’s out of place.”

The dense, intelligence picture of the arch-enemy’s capital was the result of laborious data collection, made possible by Israel’s sophisticated signals intelligence Unit 8200, the human assets recruited by its foreign intelligence agency Mossad and the mountains of data digested by military intelligence into daily briefs.

Israel used a mathematical method known as social network analysis to parse billions of data points to unearth unlikely centres of decision-making gravity and identify fresh targets to surveil and kill, said a person familiar with its use. All this fed an assembly line with a single product: targets.

“In Israeli intelligence culture, targeting intelligence is the most essential tactical issue — it is designed to enable a strategy,” said Itai Shapira, a brigadier general in the Israeli military reserves and 25-year veteran of its intelligence directorate. “If the decision maker decides that someone has to be assassinated, in Israel the culture is: ‘We will provide the targeting intelligence.’”

Israel has assassinated hundreds of people overseas, including militant leaders, nuclear scientists, chemical engineers — and many innocent bystanders. But even with the killing of as prominent a political and religious leader as Khamenei, how much this aggressive, decades-long use of its technological and technical prowess has paved the way for major strategic gains is fiercely debated both within and outside Israel.

The country’s intelligence superiority was on full display in the 12-day war last June, when more than a dozen Iranian nuclear scientists and high-ranking military officials were assassinated within minutes in an opening salvo.

That had been accompanied by an unprecedented disabling of Iran’s aerial defences through a combination of cyber attacks, low-range drones and precise munitions fired from outside Iran’s borders, destroying the radars of the Russian-built missile launchers.

“We took their eyes first,” said one intelligence official. Both in the June war and now, Israeli pilots have used a specific kind of missile called the Sparrow, variants of which are able to hit a target as small as a dining table from more than 1,000km away — far from Iran and the reach of any of its aerial defence systems.

Not all of the details of the latest operation are known. Some may never be made public, in order to protect sources and methods still being used to track down other targets.
 
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But killing Khamenei was a political decision, not simply a technological achievement, said more than half a dozen current and former Israeli intelligence officials interviewed for this story.

When the CIA and Israel determined that Khamenei would be holding a meeting on Saturday morning at his offices near Pasteur Street, the chance to kill him alongside so much of Iran’s senior leadership was especially opportune.

They assessed that hunting them down after a war had properly begun would have been much harder, since the Iranians would quickly embark on evasive practices, including heading underground to bunkers immune to Israeli bombs.

Khamenei, unlike his ally Hizbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, did not live in hiding. Nasrallah had spent years of his life in underground bunkers, dodging several Israeli assassination attempts until September 2024, when Israeli fighter jets dropped as many as 80 bombs over his hide-out in Beirut, killing him.

Instead, Khamenei had mused in public about the possibility of being killed, dismissing his own life as inconsequential to the fate of the Islamic republic — in fact, some Iran experts said he expected to be martyred.

But during wartime, one of the people interviewed said, he did take some precautions. “It was unusual for him to not be in his bunker — he had two bunkers — and if he had been, Israel wouldn’t have been able to reach him with the bombs that they have,” the person said.

Even in June 2025, in the throes of a full-blown war, Israel made no known attempts to bomb Khamenei. It had instead targeted mostly the leadership of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, missile launchers and stockpiles and Iran’s nuclear facilities and scientists.

While Donald Trump had repeatedly threatened to attack Iran in recent weeks, building up an “armada” off its shores, negotiations between the US and Iran over the Islamic republic’s nuclear programme were meant to continue this week.

The mediator Oman said Iran was willing to make concessions that might help stave off a war, and described the most recent meeting last Thursday as fruitful.

In public, the US president grumbled that things were moving too slowly. But a person familiar with the matter said that, in private, Trump was “dissatisfied with the Iranian responses”, paving the way for war.

A person briefed on the operation said the attack on Iran had been planned for months, but officials adjusted their operation after the US and Israeli intelligence confirmed that Khamenei and his senior officials would be meeting in his compound in Tehran on Saturday morning.

Tracking individual targets used to be laborious work, requiring visual confirmations and parsing false confirmations, but Israel’s vast algorithm-driven data collection had automated that task in recent years.

But for a target as high value as Khamenei, failure was not an option. Israeli military doctrine requires that two separate senior officers, working independently from each other, confirm with high certainty that a target is in the location that is to be attacked and who he is accompanied by.

In this instance, according to two people familiar with the matter, Israeli intelligence had information from signals intelligence, such as the hacked traffic cameras and deeply penetrated mobile phone networks. One of the people said it showed that the meeting with Khamenei was on schedule, with senior officials heading to the location.

But the Americans had something even more concrete — a human source, both people familiar with the situation said. The CIA declined to comment.
That allowed Israeli jets, which had been flying for hours in order to arrive on time at the right location, to fire off as many as 30 precision munitions, the former senior Israeli intelligence official said.

The Israeli military added that striking in daylight provided an advantage. “The decision to strike in the morning rather than at night allowed Israel to achieve tactical surprise for the second time, despite heavy Iranian preparedness,” it said.

The tactical success was the culmination of two separate events, more than 20 years apart, said Sima Shine, a former official at Mossad who had a focus on Iran.
The first was a directive given in 2001 from former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to Meir Dagan, the then-head of Mossad — preoccupied with Syria, Palestinian militants, Hizbollah in Lebanon and others — to make Iran a priority.

“‘All the things the Mossad is doing is well and fine,’” Sharon told Dagan, according to Shine. “‘What I need is Iran. That’s your target.’”

“And since then, that is the target,” she said. Israel had sabotaged Iran’s nuclear programme, killed its scientists, fought back its proxies and even destroyed the military infrastructure of its crucial ally Syria in the days after dictator Bashar al-Assad was ousted.

But Iranian intelligence agencies were formidable adversaries.

In 2022, a group tied to Iranian security services released data purportedly siphoned from a phone belonging to the Mossad chief’s wife. Iran also hacked CCTV cameras in Jerusalem during the 2025 war to get real-time damage assessments that the Israelis had censored from broadcast; it bought photographs of missile defences; and even mapped the jogging route of a major politician by bribing Israeli citizens, according to Israeli prosecutors.

The second event, Shine added, was the October 7, 2023 cross-border attack from Hamas, which Israel claims was backed by Iran and changed a longstanding calculus in Israel: that despite having penetrated the circles of several enemy heads of state, from Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser to Syria’s Hafez al-Assad, their killings were off-limits even at times of war.

Killing foreign leaders is not just taboo but operationally fraught. Failure only adds to their stature, as it did following the CIA’s many botched attempts to kill Cuba’s Fidel Castro, while success can set into motion unpredictable chaos.

But, said Shine, Israel’s string of intelligence coups — including the 2024 assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran, and a $300mn multiyear clandestine project to booby trap thousands of Hizbollah pagers and radios — has its own seductive powers.

“In Hebrew, we say, ‘With the food comes the appetite’,” she said. “In other words, the more you have, the more you want.”
 
I specifically said they have killed Americans, you overlooked that in previous comments. Here's a short list, since you're in need of an education. These are American deaths attributable to Iran:

608 Americans killed in Iraq were at the direct hands of Iran; 46 Americans died in the October 7th attacks; the Khobar Towers bombings killed 19; the Jordan Drone attack in 2024 killed 3 military members; the Beiruit barracks bombing killed 241.

Should I go on?
I say “You said Americans and you reply “I specifically said they have killed Americans”

To my original point most of those died prior to Trumps first term.
You quote PBS (laughable) from 2018 (6 years ago) and want to be taken seriously?
So the facts stated by PBS somehow changed over the past 6 years? You’re flailing.
So much Liberal babble in 2 sentences. Prove he's a pedophile. Until there's proof, you're just a buffoon spouting your TDS acting a fool. I voted for Peace Through Strength and believe this won't be a protracted 7 month affair like Libya. This is America first, no matter how much you argue it's Israel first. They are one of our major, key allies.

A cult involves people that drink Jim Jones kool-aid, believing in that which is not factual. Like screaming Trump is a pedophile.
Prove he isn’t. You were for the release of the files, now you defend them being withheld.
 
This isn't a prediction on your part, you're hoping for it.

Thus exposing what we've long said and you've denied. Deaths are ok for you if it allows you to score political points. You hope this becomes protracted simply so you can say Orange Man Wrong.
Skepticism = being unpatriotic. Weak, Tim.

 
Skepticism = being unpatriotic. Weak, Tim.


watch that a few times until you feel some enlightenment.

yes, she's correct. It's ok to feel skepticism that not everything is 100% a-ok. I've said before, as have others here, we may not 100% fully support everything Trump says or does, but we do support him and his decisions overall. That's not saying I blindly agree with him, like some others *cough*youandTibs*cough*whenBommaandBidenwereinoffice*cough do when it fits their pre-conceived narrative.

and before you ask - yes, I 100000% fully support the absolute decimation of the country where terrorism spawns.
and, there are good people there. Kinda like Charlottesville. And i hope they're ok. I do, however, want the Iranian government to be overthrown and allow the people there to govern themselves instead of being ruled over by the misgivings passed down from generation to generation of a self-proclaimed pedophile.
 
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