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Iran

Troglodyte said:
😂 You live in **** hole Tampa and spend your paycheck on alimony and child support.
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Yes, I live in Tampa. You got one out of three right. Per Tim’s theory, you get tripped up on more than two. I’d amend that to more than one. Maybe if you took the battery out of your keyboard you’d not need to send YourDaddy $19.95 for every lesson he teaches you and you could have a life savings account to lose on betting.

Just a tip. But I’m sure you, much like MizFlog, prefer the whole kielbasa.
 
Troglodyte said:
Right, you don’t care if it’s true or not.
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Let me drive the point through your slopped forehead with a ******* nail. WE WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH.

We are being lied to about EVERYTHING. You, me, everyone is living in one gigantic lie of half-truths, generated history, and it's all unraveling for a purpose. So, stop spewing **** that you read from the psyops news agencies and start to look at the world through a critical and extremely sarcastic lens.
 
Badcat said:
Let me drive the point through your slopped forehead with a ******* nail. WE WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH.

We are being lied to about EVERYTHING. You, me, everyone is living in one gigantic lie of half-truths, generated history, and it's all unraveling for a purpose. So, stop spewing **** that you read from the psyops news agencies and start to look at the world through a critical and extremely sarcastic lens.
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This is true for you. Me and everyone else. But Flog knows the real truth.
 
So, has anyone else noticed that pFlog's only real contribution to these various threads is to simply garbage them up?

His posts literally make anyone reading them dumber. He is a pimple on the asss of SN.
 
Oh, and the Iran thing is about oil and China; just like Venezuela; the rest is just extra benefits, like the Cuba gift that is ready to unwrap.
 
madinsomniac said:
I mean I'm certainly not ever going to argue that Iran was good, and while i completely understand that in no way, shape, or form should that particular crackpot be allowed to have nukes... I am still opposed to feet on the ground wars to rebuild nations... it isnt there yet so I dont really care...

Look, its hard not to think this wasn't at least partially driven by retaliation for their failed attempts to off Trump... he is petty like that.. but something should have been done there decades ago

Libs protesting are idiotic and hypocrites for sure, but that doesnt justify us getting back into the workd police business... I mean in the last 50 years Iran has murdered hundreds of thousands of innocents, but where is China at? Tens of millions? We arent gonna fight them next, are we? They are as evil as the Iranians...

Honestly it may be China we are indirectly targeting.. first Venezuela then Iran? We may be just trying to keep them from the uncontrollable oil they would need to invade Taiwan... but honestly, its probably just old man Trump being pissy with dipshits that angered him personally trying to off him and weasel a nuke together..

See, I get that Iran is a problem but honestly, i am not sure what the real answer is there...

-Stepping on a few cockroaches and breaking their toys is a temporary fix at best..
-Fighting religious zealots is a quagmire every time... ---Bombing that land out of existence is cruel to the innocent civilians...
-Ignoring it is just begging for bigger problems down the road...
-Trying to pay them off is just paying them to kill you later..
-Reasoning with them is impossible..
-Sacrificing Israel to them is wrong on tons of levels and just lets them target their hate elsewhere

Im not going to vocally complain about it cause I dont have any good alternative solutions... Iran gave Trump the excuse he was looking for killing all those protestors.. he now has two months to get real change to happen, wrap stuff up, and get out in a way that makes a long term positive impact..
anything short of that is meaningless and will be viewed as such...
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Excellent post. It's a very complex situation but we're not allowed to have complex thoughts any more. If Trump did it it's bad, if we have concerns about it it's TDS...I have concerns about it, particularly the aftermath. But I also have wondered for years how long we were just gonna stick with "negotiations" and "deals" where we give them money and they say they won't enrich but they just keep doing it while also brutally oppressing their own people and sponsoring terrorist organizations all over the world. One thing I like about Trump is he is willing to take real action...what I don't like is his actions are often impulsive and reactionary. I hope in this case he has a lot of other smart people on board with the decisions already made and the planning going forward.

I'm also for anything that starts to crumble the scourge of radical Islamism, which in my opinion is the world's greatest threat. Most Iranians don't want it, and the world needs to do everything possible to toss this ideology into the trash can of history.
 
oneforthebus said:
The goals of a brutal oppressive Islamist terrorist regime not having nukes? Most of the free world shares those goals I believe. Or should. Maybe Israel strongly influenced the timing? So what?
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i think they did, and did so heavy-handedly. I saw a report - cant find it now - that they told Trump they were going to use a nuke on Iran. Which expedited our actions there.
 
Superman said:
i think they did, and did so heavy-handedly. I saw a report - cant find it now - that they told Trump they were going to use a nuke on Iran. Which expedited our actions there.
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In the 1980s, Israel moved from a national and military concept of a Masada Complex (we will fight until the end and die on our own terms) to a Sampson Complex (you may kill us, but we will take you down with us).

This concept has not changed since.

So, it might look like manipulation to the TDS crowd for Israel to tell the US that they are not afraid to use nukes against Iran, but in reality it is probably more a statement of military doctrine by Israel. Israel has had "the bomb in the basement" for many decades. Iran wanted one, and promised to use it against Israel and the US many times. This action by these two nations should surprise no one. Iran's steadfast efforts to get a nuke and missiles to carry it, are your clues.
 
Confluence said:
So, has anyone else noticed that pFlog's only real contribution to these various threads is to simply garbage them up?

His posts literally make anyone reading them dumber. He is a pimple on the asss of SN.
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I noticed ,even when someone trying agree with him to some extent, he either ignores it or argues against it. His only intention is to disagree and argue. Common ground doesn't exist in Floggyland.
 
Booted said:
I noticed ,even when someone trying agree with him to some extent, he either ignores it or argues against it. His only intention is to disagree and argue. Common ground doesn't exist in Floggyland.
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train rides for Miz Flog do, though
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Thanks for confirming my point. I said you get confused after 2 posts. Which you did. If any back and forth goes 3, 4, 7, 12 posts, you get so lost you forget what you are arguing. In this case there were 3 and you were lost after the first 2.



No, I stand by what I mean. Your logic is moronic. The fact that Iran's 47 years of crimes predates Trump AND existed under Trump has no bearing whatsoever on what he should or should not do. Your argument is baseless.



Just Tibs. Trust me, just Tibs.



Owed is an interesting term and this isn't binary nor black and white. Since you never get beyond headlines, and certainly not the first paragraph, a little history (this will cost you another $19.95 Venmo payment (payable to YourDaddy@Venmo).

Education:
The $1.7Billion was a result of the failed 1979 Arms Deal (something you’ve never heard of). You may note that 1979 was when the Shah was deposed, democracy ended, and your beloved IRGC and the Mullahs took over Iran.

Iran, under the Shah, had placed a $400Million order for military equipment (F-16 fighters, destroyers, etc).

When the IRGC took over, they wanted to cancel the order and get the money back - you know, so they could build bombs and fund terrorism.

Well the deal collapsed due to Iran’s huge financial crisis, a reduced strategic role after the Shah was deposed, political unrest….and then Iran took Americans hostage (I’m sure you’ve forgotten about this also) and we froze their assets.

Seems like a pretty smart thing to do.

The Shah and the prior Government of Iran was owed $400M. Not the IRGC that was kidnapping Americans.

Obama capitulated. Many of us agree, they (the IRGC) were never entitled to this refund, especially with interest.

You’re welcome.



BINGO. It's up to the DOJ to prove he and others are guilty. Has this happened? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Until then, the presumption of innocence prevails. I know this is hard for you to grasp, as you were ready to hang him when Russia Russia Russia started.



Proof you get lost after 2 posts. You said "You were for the release of the files, now you defend them being withheld." I said provide proof that those are my positions by providing evidence.

Your response: You're not allowed to access the Epstein files.

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Again. It’s just stupid and exhausting with you. But a few things.

The administration can’t give a straight, consistent answer on why they attacked Iran. How do you determine it was retribution for past crimes. If that is the reason, should the U.S. also attack Saudi Arabia?

You said Obama DONATED debt. That simply doesn’t make sense and the hostages were released decades prior to him paying the debt.

I’m not alone on wanting answers from Bondi, several republicans just voted to subpoena her. You must be disappointed in them.
 
oneforthebus said:
The goals of a brutal oppressive Islamist terrorist regime not having nukes? Most of the free world shares those goals I believe. Or should. Maybe Israel strongly influenced the timing? So what?
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All very sudden. Where was this expressed concern of Iranians being oppressed that merited massive military action and regime change a week ago? And weren’t Iran’s nukes obliterated several months ago?
 
oneforthebus said:
They're celebrating not having to live under threat of potential nuclear attacks from radical Islamists. Are you also mad that Iranian women are celebrating not having to live under sharia law?
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Are you proposing we should attack Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Sudan next?
 
Hypocycloids said:
So that means you have some doubt.
That’s all it takes. You need not go any further with your rhetoric.
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It takes reasonable doubt. I reasonably doubt that their behavior is just odd and not part of a cover up. Again, I’m not alone and there are several republicans with some semblance of a spine that want answers as well.
 
Troglodyte said:
All very sudden. Where was this expressed concern of Iranians being oppressed that merited massive military action and regime change a week ago? And weren’t Iran’s nukes obliterated several months ago?
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Iran didn't have nukes yet, it's nuclear capability was damaged, but could be revived. Refusal to allow inspections is a pretty good indicator that they were once again, on the road to restart enriching uranium. Reports are that they refused to rule out enriching uranium or end their long range missile program. The "suddenness" also has something to do with the fact that Iranians are attempting to rise up against their government and being slaughtered by the tens of thousands, as has been pointed out to you numerous times but you just ignore that.

So your argument seems to be that since this problem has been ignored and enabled for decades, it's wrong to stop ignoring it and enabling it at some point? Because it's too "sudden"?
 
oneforthebus said:
Iran didn't have nukes yet, it's nuclear capability was damaged, but could be revived. Refusal to allow inspections is a pretty good indicator that they were once again, on the road to restart enriching uranium. Reports are that they refused to rule out enriching uranium or end their long range missile program. The "suddenness" also has something to do with the fact that Iranians are attempting to rise up against their government and being slaughtered by the tens of thousands, as has been pointed out to you numerous times but you just ignore that.

So your argument seems to be that since this problem has been ignored and enabled for decades, it's wrong to stop ignoring it and enabling it at some point? Because it's too "sudden"?
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Flog thinks we should've given them advance warning so they had plenty of time to prepare.
 
Troglodyte said:
Are you proposing we should attack Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Sudan next?
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No, I haven't proposed we attack anyone. Are Saudi Arabia Afghanistan and Sudan developing nukes and long range missiles? Do they have an overwhelming majority population that wants a secular government and is begging for our assistance in liberating them?
 
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