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Chicago cover up...this is really shameful...really.

You could not pay me enough to be a cop or teacher in todays world. People have no respect for their elders or authority whatsoever. Then you have people who purposefully try to do goad cops / teachers into doing something that will create a lawsuit.

In this case I think the cop was a POS. He has a past history and he looks like he is mentally unstable. The fact that he pumped 16 bullets into someone who was not shooting back says he just snapped. Like others have said if the kid would have listened and was walking on the sidewalk he would have avoided his death. I think the cop was in the wrong, but I do not feel sorry for the kid who got shot.
 
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. These type of LEOs will eventually harm you or someone you care about if you don't hold them accountable.

No they won't. Everyone I know would not put themselves in this situation and if they ever did have interaction with the police they would comply. What a ******* novel idea.

That said, 16 shots seem excessive from the video and that needs to be addressed.
 
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That cop is getting what he deserves. He is going to rot in prison for the rest of his life, where I am sure he will be among the most popular inmates. That is if he isn't sentenced to death. No need to shoot the kid at all, much less 16 times. Do the Chicago police not have tasers or some other non lethal weapon?
 
Bullshit.

The guy was walking away from the police not towards them and the only thing he had done with the knife was vandalize some cars while high as a billygoat. He was no threat to anyone at that point Supe.

Now THAT is some bullshit! You would have avoided that guy like the plague. You would have perceived him as a threat.
 
Now THAT is some bullshit! You would have avoided that guy like the plague. You would have perceived him as a threat.

Quoted for truth.
 
Criminals aren't doing it under color of lawful authority and having their murderous actions covered up buy other public officials. Its a bad comparison to equate crimes committed by citizens and crimes committed by public officials sworn to serve, protect and uphold the law.

he didn't ask why cops are killing black folks, he asked why non-blacks were doing so.
 
That goes for rogue cops too. If we are going to call ourselves conservatives lets conserve the rule of law. That means the law applies to everyone even public officials and so when a cop commits murder while on duty we get angry about it the way we get angry at criminals that murder innocents.

has anyone in this thread said the cop did not deserve his murder charge?

the problem is you don't get as mad when criminals murder others, that **** happens everyday and chicago is one of the worst places...but those stories get little air time. I am not saying this story isn't bigger news, I just saying if all those protesting really gave a ****, they would take their streets back from the pieces of **** who kill way more black folks than the cops ever do.
 
I didn't agree with the cop shooting the *******, DBS.

Me neither.

Perhaps he'd still be alive if only he had been innocently whistling and skipping home whilst enjoying some Skittles and sizzurp.

If Obama had a son he'd look like Laquan McDonald.
 
Now THAT is some bullshit! You would have avoided that guy like the plague. You would have perceived him as a threat.

True I would not have tried to invite him in for a beer but I would not have SHOT HIM IN THE BACK 9 TIMES AND THEN FIRED ANOTHER 7 ROUNDS INTO HIM AS HE LAY PROSTRATE ON THE PAVEMENT.
 
It is quite possible, and pretty obvious from the video, that both the victim and the cop contributed to how the situation evolved. That doesn't excuse murder, but the people walking down the sidewalk didn't get the attention of the ******-up cop.

Mostly, it takes two to tango.
 
Stop blaming the victim............this dipshit in uniform deposited 16 bullets in this young man, a lot more than was necessary for someone NOT presenting a threat.

Seems interesting that the police officer, his cohorts and the FOP all either lied, remained silent or attempted to cover-up this murder (this is what im gonna call it because that's what it is) and then to further incriminate themselves they resorted to gaining access to the surveillance footage and delete vital parts of this surveillance tape.

What sickens me is there are folks that want to support this bullshit.

Whether it was racial or not, at this point is moot. Theres a big problem in this country with law enforcement and its rogue cops and theres a lot of folks that seem to believe cops do no wrong. Its my views that cops need to be called out.....the so-called "good cops" need to start ratting out the rogue ones, else in my opinion, if youre spineless and look the other way when you see rogue action at work, and you do nothing, then there goes your label of "good" cop.

**** like this will continue to happen unless the system treats cops like civilians and nails their *****.........when you lie on a police report, its misrepresentation of facts and obstruction of justice. Why don't cops receive jail time for lying on police reports ?....its very common. And then to use the BS excuse "I felt like my life was in danger...". Oh really ? You have the gun, he has a small knife and video proves what you stated (he lunged at me...) was a lie. Off to jail you go for murder........

You make some unsupported claims there that I'd like to see some stats for and proof of. As for the "big problem in this country with law enforcement and its rogue cops" claim, see Steeltime's response. While the occasional (and more rare than I'm sure you'd like to admit) "rogue cop" is indeed a problem it makes almost zero sense to me that these rare and occasional situations get the protests and press while the daily murders of hundreds get no attention what so ever.

Bullshit.

The guy was walking away from the police not towards them and the only thing he had done with the knife was vandalize some cars while high as a billygoat. He was no threat to anyone at that point Supe. The cop shot him in the back,then the detectives "investigating" the shooting erased video from the Burger King across the street and delayed the release of the dashcam video and the indictment for over a year. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR BAD POLICE OFFICERS! It isn't a race thing its an anti-tyranny thing.

I haven't seen the video enough times or with enough clarity to know what lay beyond had the cops not stopped the action (and if the use of deadly force is justified, that is the goal....to "stop the action"). My point is deadly force is to be used only to prevent death or serious bodily injury to an officer or bystanders. Had the cop not shot what lay beyond? What occurred just previous? I don't know and I'm guessing given the brevity and unclarity of the video most others don't either......as an aside, the "reactionary gap" for a knife attack as taught to LEO's in all self defense situations is a MINIMUM of 21 feet.

All that said the number of shots is egregious overkill imo, no pun intended. Again, you shoot to stop the action....once the individual is down (unless armed with a firearm) the action is stopped.

I have tried to remain out of this discussion, simply because I am not going to change anybody's mind, so what the ****? However, blitzburgh5' recent post deserves a response.



The only person who should NOT fear a large male just out of prison is ... well, ******* NOBODY. Large males just out of prison are vastly more likely to beat you, rob you, rape you (if you are a woman), or kill you.

An estimated two-thirds (68 percent) of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of release from prison, and three-quarters (77 percent) were arrested within five years, per the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).

More than a third (37 percent) of prisoners who were arrested within five years of release were arrested within the first six months after release, with more than half (57 percent) arrested by the end of the first year.

These findings are based on a BJS data collection, Recidivism of State Prisoners Released in 2005, which tracked a sample of former prison inmates from 30 states for five years following release in 2005.


http://www.crimeinamerica.net/2010/09/29/percent-of-released-prisoners-returning-to-incarceration/

The reason these cops are encountering black males is because they work in neighborhoods with a large percentage of blacks. Hence, the big guys just out of jail are ... black.

Only an idiot would not be wary of those guys. Would you leave your door open if you knew that a convicted felon was hanging around your house? Would you leave your keys in your car? If not, does that make you a racist ... or a realist?

Further, according to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Therefore, being very concerned about the possibility that a criminal out of jail, and who is black, presents a genuine risk of harm is not racist, or dumb, or foolish; it is based on real life factors.

And I agree 100% that the substantial percentage of black citizens do not wish harm on the police. However, that provides no comfort since failure to take precaution can get you freaking killed. It's not like a cop can take a "mulligan" and be undead.



Those events occur because police deal with the worst of the worst, every day, 365 days per year. You really think mistakes prove some racial bias? Jeez, Louise, doctors accidentally kill patients with vastly more regularity than cops mistakenly kill citizens.

According to a new study just out from the prestigious Journal of Patient Safety, four times as many people die from preventable medical errors than we thought, as many as 440,000 a year.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/leahbinder/2013/09/23/stunning-news-on-preventable-deaths-in-hospitals/

Are doctors killing patients due to bias, or racism? Or maybe because they work an incredibly difficult job, for long hours, where mistakes = dead people.

You know, like cops.

And this has nothing to do with "culture." It has to do with the fact that our society has a lot of very dangerous people. Have you ever seen the Richard Pryor skit where he talks about visiting a jail? Before he goes, he says he was looking forward to "being with my people" and seeing what oppression has done. After the visit, he says, "You know why these people are in jail? Because they are crazy. Thank God we have jails."



No, encounters between white officers and black suspects result in an unnecessary shooting an incredibly tiny fraction of the time - maybe 0.02%. Seriously, these events are so rare they are the subject of protests and news reports, while 25,000 times per day across this nation, white officers encounter black suspects.

I get my percentage by estimating 25,000 encounters a day, though that statistic is incredibly low and does not include traffic stops. 365 days per year yields 9,125,000 such encounters per year. Let's say an unfounded and unprovoked shooting occurs once every other day (it does not - it happens vastly less than that but **** it, I will go on the high end.) That means 182 unfounded shootings per year.

182 is 0.02% of 9,125,000.

Look, it would be great if the number were zero. But when violent criminals with little concern about the law or jail are drunk, or stoned, and regularly get into physical scuffles with armed police officers, people are going to get hurt - and some will die.

That's just the way it is.

And the concern over 180 shootings per year is not justified, given that the underlying cause of behavioral breakdown - single-parent families, young mothers ill-equipped for the task, lack of positive parental influence for a lot of kids, poor academic performance due to a lack of parental involvement, etc. - is basically ignored. This is really no different than obsessing over the fact that a Pop-Tart is being burnt because the house is burning down, and not giving a **** about the house.

^ this......
 
Why not? Because he's black? I mean that's obviously why the cop shot him.

No the cop shot him because the cop was a bad police officer that had a track record of incidents that were covered up. That is my main concern and what I keep trying to get you folks to grasp, Militant cops are a sign of burgeoning tyranny and if you do an even cursory search you will find that bad cops shoot white folks too. For what ever reason many of you equate law and order with blind obedience and unquestioning adoration to police officers when the fact is police are public officials on the level of any bureaucrat that works for the government and should be watched like a hawk just like the ones at the Tax collector, DMV or Courthouse. Maybe its because we are inundated with police procedural dramas on TV where the police characters are always portrayed as infallible and only having the purest of intentions. Remember the Gestapo in Nazi Germany were police officers.
 
No the cop shot him because the cop was a bad police officer that had a track record of incidents that were covered up. That is my main concern and what I keep trying to get you folks to grasp, Militant cops are a sign of burgeoning tyranny and if you do an even cursory search you will find that bad cops shoot white folks too. For what ever reason many of you equate law and order with blind obedience and unquestioning adoration to police officers when the fact is police are public officials on the level of any bureaucrat that works for the government and should be watched like a hawk just like the ones at the Tax collector, DMV or Courthouse. Maybe its because we are inundated with police procedural dramas on TV where the police characters are always portrayed as infallible and only having the purest of intentions. Remember the Gestapo in Nazi Germany were police officers.
no, but i see it as when a cop tells you to get the **** outta the goddamn street - the street that is made for cars, not pedestrians - that you are to get the **** outta the goddamn street.
if a cop tells you to do something, he's more likely than not got a good damn reason behind it. i try to equate cops as good people doing a thankless job who just want to do their thankless job and go the **** home to watch the Browns lose like the rest of us. of course, there are the "rogue cops" - that I won't deny, nor will most people. but, as said before, if you do not desire any popo interaction, don't break the law.
 
No the cop shot him because the cop was a bad police officer that had a track record of incidents that were covered up. That is my main concern and what I keep trying to get you folks to grasp, Militant cops are a sign of burgeoning tyranny and if you do an even cursory search you will find that bad cops shoot white folks too.

I've had my share of experience with ******* cops, but these incidences are always blamed on racism or only sensationalized when it's a white cop and a black victim.

There's a growing concern that racism is getting worse when the truth is racial exploitation is getting worse.
 
I've had my share of experience with ******* cops, but these incidences are always blamed on racism or only sensationalized when it's a white cop and a black victim.

There's a growing concern that racism is getting worse when the truth is racial exploitation is getting worse.

While i agree you have bad apples in any profession the problem is still what it is. The weaponizing of race has been helped along by our douchebag president, his department of injustice as well as a few racist clowns who have the balls to call themselves reverend.....pffft. The **** is old and worn. I honestly destest ALL of it. It's sickening.
 
has anyone in this thread said the cop did not deserve his murder charge?

the problem is you don't get as mad when criminals murder others, that **** happens everyday and chicago is one of the worst places...but those stories get little air time. I am not saying this story isn't bigger news, I just saying if all those protesting really gave a ****, they would take their streets back from the pieces of **** who kill way more black folks than the cops ever do.

Agreed. There are plenty of protests against police, but none against the daily street violence of a community wiping each other out (insert any large city here). When are Chicagoans(sp?) going to shut down major roads to protest the everyday violence?
 
There is a huge problem when police agencies and LEOs start expanding their power beyond reasonable bounds. Everyone has due process rights and when police begin to violate them without the public screaming about it we are a hairs breadth away from becoming a fascist state. Laquan McDonald was essentially executed without trial for public intoxication, whats next after that? How far are you willing to let police go and how much of your freedom are you willing to let them take to be "safe"? There may not be open racism but there is a racial component, many oppressive tactics and policies are only applied by police in minority neighborhoods. There can only be so much pressure applied to any population before the seeds of mistrust are sown and the population starts to push back. How long will we say "its just a few bad apples" before we upend the apple barrel and pick the bad ones out?

Don't be a boot licker.
 
so you're saying he should have continued walking down the street, defying police orders?
 
so you're saying he should have continued walking down the street, defying police orders?

No I am saying the police had no cause to shoot him in the back 9 times and then pump another 7 shots into him whilst he was crumpled to the ground. They have pepper spray and tazers as non lethal options. Things that are much better than shooting a man to death when use of deadly force is not warranted. I have personally seen Chicago PD gang tackle a guy on the Dan Ryan expressway, roll him in a blanket and ziptie him in the blanket. According to the radio the guy was high on some substance and not obeying police orders. That happened right in front of the truck I was driving 15 years ago, what is different from then to now? Police agencies and police officers have become more militant and view the public as beneath them that's what.

So you are saying police should be able to cut you down in a hail of gunfire for jaywalking?

DON'T BE A BOOT LICKER SUPE,
 
I understand and agree that the cop had no right/rhyme/reason to shoot the *******. let alone 15 more times.
your argument seems to be based on "**** the cops. do what you want" since, as you said, the ******* posed no threat to anyone.

i do agree that they could have used something non-lethal to subdue his ***, though.

even then, in today's climate, they'd be charged with something... but at least his *** would be alive.
 
Police agencies and police officers have become more militant and view the public as beneath them that's what.

So you are saying police should be able to cut you down in a hail of gunfire for jaywalking?

Sorry brother, but you're using wild generalizations and succumbing to the media hysteria. Just like concussions are overblown, and global warming/climate change is hyped by the media, so too is police violence. One guy goes on a shooting rampage in a theater, and all gun owners are bad. A bad cop goes rogue, and all cops are bad. You're drinking the Kool-Aid on this one.

We've been through it before. The statistics don't lie. The number of police altercations that end in wrongful death is infinitesimal. It is a microscopic issue.

I'll subscribe to the "generalization" I know to be right. The overwhelming (by a landslide) majority of law enforcement personnel in this country are good people trying to do a good job. As with every segment of society, some percentage of any population is bad. This one was bad.

Officers were bad in the famous Mississippi Burning civil rights case. Probably the lot of them were worse during the 60s and 70s, actively being engaged in lynchings or covering them up. We just didn't have everyone running around then with cell phones or the over-abundance of media or a Liberal media to fuel an unsubstantiated viewpoint.
 
Sorry brother, but you're using wild generalizations and succumbing to the media hysteria. Just like concussions are overblown, and global warming/climate change is hyped by the media, so too is police violence. One guy goes on a shooting rampage in a theater, and all gun owners are bad. A bad cop goes rogue, and all cops are bad. You're drinking the Kool-Aid on this one.

We've been through it before. The statistics don't lie. The number of police altercations that end in wrongful death is infinitesimal. It is a microscopic issue.

I'll subscribe to the "generalization" I know to be right. The overwhelming (by a landslide) majority of law enforcement personnel in this country are good people trying to do a good job. As with every segment of society, some percentage of any population is bad. This one was bad.

Officers were bad in the famous Mississippi Burning civil rights case. Probably the lot of them were worse during the 60s and 70s, actively being engaged in lynchings or covering them up. We just didn't have everyone running around then with cell phones or the over-abundance of media or a Liberal media to fuel an unsubstantiated viewpoint.

No Tim I am using what I have observed to come to that conclusion. I have good close friends who are in law enforcement and I hate bad cops for the simple fact that they put my friends lives in danger by destroying the public trust and inciting whole segments of society to hate all police officers good and bad. You are saying its an isolated incident Tim but the scary thing is the isolated incidents are everywhere.

Supe,

Wrong.
My argument is the rule of law applies to everyone and putting on a badge does not make any man above it. My point is that police can not be allowed to outstrip their authority and follow the laws on use of force when making arrests. This means they use the least amount of force necessary. That also means that the police agencies be held accountable to the citizens and a cop that has numerous excessive force incidents in his file should not be allowed to continue with employment as an LEO. Yes all citizens are bound to obey the law, but so are government officials and we need to do more than give lip service to the issue when a police department engages in an attempt to cover up a murder.

ONCE AGAIN DON'T BE A BOOT LICKER.
 
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