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Tomlin sucks thread 11/6/16
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The time to ***** about calls is after you win. Not after you lose..when you lose its just considered sour grapes
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Who in your mind is a coach who does all those things well?
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Why should that be added to the list? He's fed up with the bullshit officiating were seeing, finally pipes up about it, and now its a negative? We've seen the Steelers on the bad end of calls not only this season, but for years now. Whether it's Harrison getting undressed, or our receivers being tackled before the ball gets there, there has been plenty to ***** about. Jesus, people ***** because they don't show him blowing up on the sideline, and now bitching because he finally speaks up? When the **** is the correct time in which one should complain about ****** officiating?
have to agree here, plenty to point a negative at him for, but complaining about highly questionable officiating shouldn't be one
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I'm actually glad to see Tomlin beefing with the refs as well
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No, the current year is the sixth, but the season's playoffs haven't taken place, so I can't hold it against the guy. Yet.
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Easy to beef at refs when a win is a given, when losing he just stares off...
and plenty more besides him I am sure if the research is done.... as the research has already been done for coaching possibilities.
For how much I dislike Jim or his brother, I thought they both was solid coaches, and still feel that way.
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I have hoped Mr Tomlin would progress and grow as a coach but he hasn't. We do as well as we do because of a team loaded with talent inspite of Mr Tomlin not because of him. As far as the Mr Tomlin VS Coach Cowher argument on records goes regular season is where it ends. Coach Cowher advanced to the AFCCG several times and probably would have won if not for the Cheatriots cheating their ***** off.
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After all the complaints about losing to bad teams this year, all of the teams that have beat us are currently .500 or better. We don't have a loss to a sub .500 team.
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that's fair enough; I guess the dolphins weren't the steaming pile of **** we thought they were.
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OK, to be fair, prior to the 2005 run, Cowher was a bad post-season head coach. His overly-conservative approach (some deemed it "turtle ball") was too similar to another great regular-season coach who failed in the post-season, Marty Schottenheimer, his mentor. Very few teams in the modern era can succeed in the deep post-season with the mentality of a great D, rushing game, but a subpar passing game. D and a rushing game are imperative, but at the highest level, you better be able to pass the ball too. Even some of the teams with the greatest D and rushing games ever, that won a SB STILL had somewhat of a passing game, such as the 1985 Bears and 1986 and 1990 Giants and even the 2000 Ravens. Cowher called too tight a game in some of those post-season losses. As unpopular as it is to say, claiming all of Cowher's failures on the Pats cheating is somewhat delusional. What, did the Pats somehow impact the 1994 loss to the Chargers as well? Please. Cowher - like his mentor Marty - was too one-dimensional in the playoffs.
Cowher finally broke free of his Marty tendencies in 2005, but some of the credit for that goes to Ben. I recall, on more than one occasion, of Ben telling Cowher on the sidelines, in that SB run, "Don't handcuff me" and then hearing Cowher saying to the coaches in the booth, "We can't handcuff Ben." Actually, that entire SB run was very "anti-turtle" as they threw early and often when beating Cinci, Indy and Denver. All that being said, Cowher's warts and foibles were less damaging than Tomlin's, who's lack of accountability and keeping the team focused are far more significant and impactful. In Tomlin's 2008 and 2010 runs, he had a team full of veteran leaders who kept the team focused; after he lost that leadership, we began to see the embarrassing trend of losses to the weakest teams in the league, and 8-8 seasons. Cowher would rarely have that many stinker games. Did he ever lose to bad teams? Sure, but at no where near the frequency of Cook Shades.
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Actually, the Fins finally got it's starters back on the OL the week they played us, and discovered a potent rushing game. But the Raven game was pathetic. They are an average team, not the bottom of the barrel, but due to poor game planning, play calling, and Ben seemingly not all that interested in playing well, they not only beat us but embarrassed the **** out of us. That score was not very telling of what happened that game; we were never in that game, as we tried to ram a square peg into a round hole: Ravens' strength is a big front 7 who can shut the run down, and we foolishly just kept running into a brick wall, wasting downs in the process and ending up in 3rd and long all day long. Sure, Dallas wore them down eventually, and could rush the ball in the 2nd half, but our OL doesn't compare to their beasts. We needed to mix it up more, and I don't mean only throwing bombs on pass plays, but, instead throwing to move the chains, which we failed to do.
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A little misleading. Fins were a losing team when we played them, and the Ravens were what? They had a losing record (3-4) as well.
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If Haley calls the majority of plays he is very much a part of the problem; when Todd calls the plays, it's small ball - runs, gadget plays, bubble screens. It's bad. The only reason the O ever perks up is when Ben goes into his backyard football mode. He makes Todd seem far better than he is. Haley, on his own, is far too gimmicky - as his stint as head coach in KC illustrated.
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What a ridiculous argument, they were sub .500 teams when we played them. That doesn't change.
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Pretty weak argument on your part.
Teams get better, or worse, as the season goes on.
Do you honestly think that Washington fans are upset that they lost to a 0-1 Dallas Cowboys team during week two? Would you be still spewing "well they were <.500 when WE played them!"
Chiefs did the same thing last year that the dolphins are doing now. Chiefs were 0-5 or 1-5 last year when we lost to them and then they went on to win 10 or 11 straight. Steelers teams always get the best from every opponent.
What does it matter if a team gets better AFTER you play them? Has no bearing at all on the team that you played that week. Are we the same team with Landry Jones at QB then we are with Ben at QB?
or they see the Steelers as a good team. In route to the Steelers playing down, the victory inspires confidence.
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Not only that, but Tomlin's record, against losing teams, prior to this year, had been like 25% against horrid teams, not like the Fins or Ravens of this season. Last year we lost to a 1-5 KC team. Sure they got better as the season progressed, but losing to a 1-5 team? Unforgivable. In 2014, we lose to an 0-3 Bucs team, and to the pathetic Browns and Jets. Try defending that. In 2013 we go down to the Titans, Bears, Raiders and Fins, all bad teams at the time. In 2012, we go down to Raiders, Titans and Browns. Pathetic.
There really is no defending Tomlin's horrid job as head coach when facing terrible teams, most of the time with a franchise QB. When your own QB openly questions the team's ability to be accountable and feel urgency, who exactly is in charge of those areas? Why, it is undoubtedly the head coach, and this one ***** the bed way too often on those fronts.