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Okay, Super Bowl is over. Time to move on. I'm going to just put all my stuff about the draft in this one thread, which I will resurrect throughout the off season to keep it all in one place.

As I have mentioned in some previous threads, I am doing my scouting/film watching a little earlier than normal. And for the first time I am trying to scout in as much of a bubble away from outside influences and website analysis as possible. I had a friend randomize all the players currently listed at 6th round or better prospect from CBSSports.com draft page (which includes the underclassman) and then I watch film over at Draft Breakdown.com (which has game cuts ups for almost all the prospects). A few small school or underclassman don't have much film or none at all, so I will have to go back hopefully in a month or two to catch up.

Currently I have done five positional groupings.

Running Backs (which I did WAY too many because we used a wrong list of prospects)
Safeties
Offensive Tackles
Edge Defenders
Tight Ends

My plan is to continue as follows over the next couple of weeks:

Cornerbacks
Offensive Guards/Centers
Defensive Tackles
Wide Receivers
Linebackers
Quarterbacks

Once I am done and massaged the lists a bit, I will post all my analysis on all the positions here BEFORE THE COMBINE. Then we will start to get all the outside information and combine results and discussion from you guys and then work to create my final Big Board for the 2017 NFL Draft, which will be linked and available for free to download, prints, share, whatever.

At this point, I do not want to talk about specific prospects, especially about positions I have not watched film on. Be patient and it will all come together. It just takes a lot of time that I have to fit in around work/family.
 
Pre-Combine Running Back Evaluation

Leonard Fournette*, LSU (6’0”, 230#)
A natural, talented, punishing running in the mold of Todd Gurley or Jerome Bettis. Sometimes a man among boys with the hits he delivers to DB’s. Like Gurley, he’s limited to an offense that caters to his gifts and will feed him the ball. A 4-quarter runner and needs to wear down opponents. On a bad team will struggle to find touches when down two scores and is not a threat on 3rd-and-long or in the pass game. Still, these types of old-school backs with this size, feet and running talent are rare. Very curious about timed speed because he does not play like a 4.5 to 4.6 player and can look a bit slow in open field. Round 1
NFL Comparison: Todd Gurley

Christian McCaffrey*, Stanford (6’0”, 200#)
Son of former WR Ed McCaffrey and shows elite athleticism and intuition for the game. Is an ideal 3-down type scat back at the next level and has NFL-level versatility. Can return punts and kicks. Good hand catcher and understands route trees from father. Despite being a bell-cow type back at Stanford (434 & 314 touches the last two seasons - 30/game), I don’t project him into that type of workload at the next level. He’s a little slight, maxed out on frame, and likely can’t hold up to between the tackles NFL pounding week-in, week-out. Does not break tackles at an elite level and there are some concerns with fumbling (hand size?). Plays like a 4.5 player on film with elite change of direction skills. A perfect Bill Belichick type back but New England finds this type of talent late in drafts (see Dion Lewis, James White and Julian Edelman). Will find roll in NFL as part of a spread passing attack to create mismatch problems. Almost a splitting clone to Julian Edelman to me with maybe a bit more versatility to run between the tackles. Very low fail rate. Round 1-2.
NFL Comparison: Julian Edelman

Davin Cook*, Florida St. (5’11”, 215#)
A natural, cradle RB talent that has exceptional balance and footwork in traffic. Has a 2nd gear when needed and doesn’t always run at the same speed. Likes deep eye sets. Soft, hand catcher but limited in route tree and isn’t a big threat in passing game. Could use some work/cleanup his blocking techniques. Reminds me a bit of Marshawn Lynch in college and could similarly add weight on frame and maintain his elite footwork/instincts. Needs to be a bit tougher on contact and fight through more trash. Difficult evaluation but has all you look for in a back with a lot of different paths to success at the next level. Round 2
NFL Comparison: Marshawn Lynch

Joe Mixon*, Oklahoma (6’1”, 225#)
Off-field, Ray Rice type video really clouds round projection. Is a similar, but much better, prospect to someone like Jamaal Williams (similar build). Very tall for a RB on film and can ramp up quickly to elite speed. Expect he’s at least a tenth faster than other big backs in this draft. Has some experience catching the ball (65 catches in his two seasons) but mostly wheel routes and screens. Might develop into elite one-cut/stretch runner like an Adrian Foster or Matt Jones but those types of opportunities are harder to find these days. Probably round 2-3 talent but that video will scare teams away. Could be steal in round 4-5.
NFL Comparison: Arian Foster

Kareem Hunt, Toledo (6’0”, 225#)
Well put together and explosive athlete. Really developed receiving game as bell cow, 3-down back as senior (41 catches vs. 32 the previous three years). Always in mix with carries since true freshmen and had monster sophomore season (1600+ yards). Envious NFL size for position these days and would fit multiple systems. Frustrating to watch because almost always played in pistol/option setup and would like to see how he runs in eye formation or with a FB. Small school issues and questions about level of competition. A bit anxious as a runner and could clean up protection blocking. Combine will matter and needs to run 4.5 to help against small-school label. Temple bowl game was very good test and is likely what he will look like in pros. Round 3
NFL Comparison: Matt Forte

Samaje Perine, Oklahoma (5’10”, 235#)
Came on like a terror as a true freshman with 1700 yards rushing and FBS single-game record of 427 yards vs. Kansas. Huge in the seat/thighs and looks to have exceptional straight line speed. No wiggle but can do a bit of tire drill and explode into secondary if blocking comes together. Is a load to handle and can wear down defenses. Highly scouted and recruited in High School. He’s very limited as an athlete and change of direction might be lacking. Not much to contribute in passing game or special teams. After monster freshman year started to lose carries to Joe Mixon (which might tell you something about versatility and skill set). A very similar scouting analysis to Derrick Henry last year. Will likely wow people with straight line speed and size and people will love his stats, but his film isn’t quite as dynamic as you’d think. Round 3-4
NFL Comparison: Derrick Henry

James Conner*, Pittsburgh (6’2”, 240#)
Explosive, downhill, bruising back when first read is there and he maintains speed through hole. Does not do well when forward motion is stopped or hole doesn’t develop. Not a stop/start type of runner and must maintain North-South lines. Kind of a one-speed runner and feet can stop once forward progress stops. Does not have elite wiggle and takes big hits (but also dishes them out). Shelf life might be minimal. Had lots of carries as true sophomore (2014) and 1700 yard season. Blew out knee in week 1 the following season and was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s disease, which took a whole year to recover 100%. Feel good story and was headed to huge things as a sophomore, but there is risk in this selection. Very similar to LaGarrette Blount. Round 3-4
NFL Comparison: LaGarrette Blount

Wayne Gallman*, Clemson (6’0”, 210#)
An all-or-nothing home-run threat type runner. Lots of no-gain and negative runs on tape. Despite slight build and speed, often ran between tackles at Clemson in their spread formations. Exceptional speed and can bounce outside and get to edge (although that’s harder in the NFL). When he breaks one or catches an open gap, he can explode for big chunks and can buckle DB’s knees with cuts and change-of-direction. Reminds me a bit of a Darren McFadden/Joseph Randall type runner. Round 3-4
NFL Comparison: Darren McFadden

D’Onta Foreman*, Texas (6’1”, 240#)
Very big in lower body and plays with surprising good balance through hole (a tendency to lean a bit too forward but that is preferable). Can bounce off tacklers and breaks arm tackles regularly. Shows nice burst when he sees the hole. Might be too one-dimensional for today’s NFL and I don’t see a lot of benefit from him in passing game (although the size/effort are there in pass protection). Looks to be in the 4.6 range and will might struggle to find a spot on teams that prefer spread concepts. Round 4
NFL Comparison: Rashad Jennings

Alvin Kamara*, Tennessee (5’10”, 215#)
Smaller, part-time RB in Tennessee that should have probably stayed in school (unless he was likely losing reps to someone else). Shows some nice burst when holes are there but doesn’t generate much on own. Reminds me a bit of a poor-mans Devonte Freeman but could easily be a Cameron Artis-Payne, Zac Stacey, Tre Mason type career backup. 40-time will matter and in order to move up draft boards and will have to post a 4.4 or faster type time. Round 4-5
NFL Comparison: Tre Mason

Jeremy McNichols*, Boise St. (5’9”, 215#)
Hard to doubt Boise St. running backs after success of Doug Martin (2012) and Jay Ajayi (2015). McNichols follows their footsteps as extremely productive in Boise State’s spread system and is a complete back with 550 carries and 90 receptions his last two seasons as the primary option back. I am not sure McNichols is quite the natural runner of Doug Martin or the elite, raw athlete that Ajayi was and could be too much like Ian Johnson (way back in 2009) that was a bit overhyped and went undrafted. Difficult to scout but he is NFL ready for a lot of schemes right now and has the size/production to make a roster early in career. Round 4-5

Corey Clement, Wisconsin (5’11”, 227#)
Has idea size and bubble/thighs for position and looks the part but lacks something in hole to really make that 8th defender miss. Frustrating film at times and might struggle to keep his YPA up at the next level. Was not blessed with a good O-line or QB play this season and teams keyed on him. Interested in measurements on him and might benefit from losing 5-8 lbs. Round 4-5 for now, but I might revisit this evaluation and could be all over draft boards.

Brian Hill*, Wyoming (6’1”, 220#)
A well put together athlete and looks the part (especially the growing trend of taller backs). Very productive workhorse the last couple of seasons with 630 carries and 3500 yards. Forward lean and hits hole decisively. Some wiggle but is generally a between the tackle runner and initiates contact. In the mold of an Andre Williams or Jeremy Hill type and might be limited to a dual-back roll. If a team is looking to get a bit more physical in the run game, he could be a mid-round answer. Round 5

Curtis Samuel*, Ohio State (5’11”, 195#)
Roll player at OSU that should have stayed in school. Exceptional athlete that doesn’t have enough film to make accurate assessment of talent. Could blow-up combine with exceptional timed 40 and have a wide range of grades. Not a “cradle” running back and not a lot of wiggle in the hole but his natural athleticism and burst works with good OSU blocking. Often lined up in slot as WR and could see switch to a WR/RB hybrid at next level. Hard evaluation and eye of the beholder type player. Some team might fall in love with his skill set and recruiting status and draft very high. I’m sticking him at round
5 for now.

Donnel Pumphrey, San Diego St. (5’9”, 180#)
Despite very slight frame (and little ability to add weight), was a workhorse at San Diego St. (1100 touches and 7500 yards). Was not just a spread-system back and ran from eye and behind lead blockers often. Lack of return game on resume really hurts his versatility at next level, but he is as slippery and quick in the hole as you’ll see and can break ankles all over the field. Really comes down to his size limitation and whether he can hold up. A poor-man’s Jahvid Best (who was a 1st round pick) that could be an ideal change of pace guy for a dome team. Might be a bit cocky and have attitude issues. Eye of the beholder back that could be very high on someone’s board. Round 5
NFL Comparison: Jahvid Best.

Jamaal Williams, BYU (6’1”, 220#)
Tall, well put together, long-striding tailback with four solid years as starter. Not a 3-down back in college and was taken off field in pass situations and mostly stayed in to block (only 15 catches the last two years at BYU after having 27 as a freshman). Injuries might be a concern and plays a bit upright (takes hits) and as a long strider could have hamstring issues. Not my favorite prospect and looks a bit one-dimensional without any elite traits. Has NFL size however and could develop skills not currently on film to get regular playing time at the next level. Round 5-6
NFL Comparison: James Starks

Da’Veon Smith, Michigan (5’11”, 230#)
A well-coached, 15-18 touch/game starter for Jim Harbaugh the last couple of years. A jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type prospect with limited “wow” factors on tape. A grind it out player that has legit NFL size and might even benefit from losing a few pounds to gain some quicks. He won’t be drafted high, but there’s enough there to make a roster and provide good depth in a RB group. Round 6

Matthew Dayes, NC State (5’9”, 205#)
A poorer man’s Alvin Kamara. Southern athlete and can flash at times but consistency down-in, down-out is lacking and there might not be enough there to justify a high pick. Round 6

Tarik Cohen, N. Carolina A&T (5’6”, 175#)
Extremely undersized and small on film (but not slight like Dri Archer). Runs in a jitterbug, bouncing style of Barry Sanders or similar (but not nearly as talented). Hides behind lineman and explodes into openings but there are a lot of negative plays on film (see vs. Kent State). Difficult for him to compete as a blocker against LB’s due to size. Shows okay hands but catch radius is small. Fumbles and hand size could be issues. Likely has to find roll as a returner to make roster and not sure teams can devote a #1 or #2 RB-only type spot to this talent. Does have plays that make you go “wow” however. Round 7-FA

Khalfani Muhammad, California (5’9”, 180#)
Similar size issues to Cohen. Is a spread runner in Cal’s system and often shared load with other talents (many of whom have not been drafted or successful at the next level). Is likely not an elite cradle running back and athleticism doesn’t quite translate perfect to football. There’s explosion in his game however and a decent amount of fight in the dog. Is not afraid of hits and gets his nose dirty. Limited in ability to block LB’s. Like Cohen will have to find roll as kick returner and special teams demon to earn spot as his natural RB ability will make it hard to be a #1 or #2 on the depth chart early in career. Round 7-FA

Jahad Thomas, Temple (5’10”, 188#)
Another smaller, scat-back type player in predominantly pistol/option sets. Similar in skill set and outlook to Cohen and Muhammad (although I think they are better athletes overcoming more size disadvantages). Thomas might be a safer option because he has a frame to gain 10 lbs. Not a bad player, but typical. Decent explosion to hole, okay in pass game and can play a variety of spots. Did some kick returning as a freshman and will have to go back to that in the pros. Round 7-FA

Chris Carson, Oklahoma St. (6’1”, 215#)
One-cut, zone blocking scheme runner with limited plus attributes on film. Not sure I see elite burst to make a ZBS team fall in love with him enough to get him lots of reps but he has NFL size for that roll and could find job as a backup or practice squad type player. Round 7-FA

Tarean Folston, Notre Dame (5’10”, 215#)
Very highly scouted 4-star recruit and had solid season (better film) in 2014 as a sophomore but tore ACL in first game of 2015 and hasn’t looked the same since. He’s a round 7 or priority free agent at this point and might even redshirt his first season in the NFL to see if he gains back any explosion he had in 2014. Round 7-FA

Joe Williams, Utah (5’11”, 205#)
One-year wonder whose first touch came as a junior and then full time starter as a true senior. Played predominantly in spread/option setups and Utah’s offense kind of took off this season and he got a lot of opportunities. Not sure I think he’s a draftable prospect unless he shows something elite at the combine to make me revisit tape. Nothing really stood out. Round 7-FA
 
What was/is the metric number that some draft guru's use? KPI? KEI? something. I thought i remembered reading somewhere, that number never lies. You score low you will bust, see Jarvis.....

do you use that in your post combine analysis?

Z
 
What was/is the metric number that some draft guru's use? KPI? KEI? something. I thought i remembered reading somewhere, that number never lies. You score low you will bust, see Jarvis.....

do you use that in your post combine analysis?

Z

Yes... but mostly only for edge defenders. It can sort of apply to all the other front-7 players, but you have to be careful in over-reading how one number can effect it (like a DT putting up 35 reps or something).
 
If Bell is healthy, and passes a drug test before the Steelers offer a franchise tag like deal, we do not need to spend a high pick on a back.

What we really need is a better #3 RB. That can be found much later in the draft or even in free agency for the rookies.
 
If Bell is healthy, and passes a drug test before the Steelers offer a franchise tag like deal, we do not need to spend a high pick on a back.

What we really need is a better #3 RB. That can be found much later in the draft or even in free agency for the rookies.

I'd invest a 4th or 5th rounder to find a #2, we don't know how long will DeAngelo hold up. Also given Bells versatility you could have him lined up as a receiver with another player in rb duty
 
It's a very good running back group and the position has not been overdrafted of late. So if you think like the Steelers and only our round 1-4 picks are "premium" and they don't expect much out of the rest, using a round 5 or 6 pick on a running back could work and help our roster.

We could pair another big-10 back and have a Da'veon go with Le'veon and pick the kid out of Michigan. He's not flashy but I liked what I saw in Harbaugh's system. He's got legit NFL size and ability. And just like Le'veon Bell, he could be more than you think after losing a few pounds.

I would not sleep on Pumphrey either. That ****** can play. You just wish he was 1" taller and 20 pounds heavier. He produced like crazy in college and not in some ***** spread system either.
 
I don't think Williams is under contract
 
If Bell is healthy, and passes a drug test before the Steelers offer a franchise tag like deal, we do not need to spend a high pick on a back.

What we really need is a better #3 RB. That can be found much later in the draft or even in free agency for the rookies.

Sure could have used one in the last 2 AFC title games.
 
If Bell is healthy, and passes a drug test before the Steelers offer a franchise tag like deal, we do not need to spend a high pick on a back.

What we really need is a better #3 RB. That can be found much later in the draft or even in free agency for the rookies.



read the original post Coach.
 
PRE COMBINE SAFETY EVALUATIONS

Jabrill Peppers*, Michigan (6’-0”, 205#)
Elite NFL athletic ability and speed (4.4 or better?) that jumps off film. When he comes downhill into play it’s fast. Blitzed a lot in Michigan’s system and was “rover” in their defense. Not afraid to engage with bigger bodies (O-line and TE’s) and fight for play. Ran wildcat a few times on offense. Acts the part of rare athlete on tape and a bit cocky. A predominantly in-the-box safety/linebacker (did not play one of the two deep safety spots in Michigan’s cover-2 plays). Hard to doubt this type of athletic ability at the next level and should find spot to fit. Round 1

Jamal Adams*, LSU (6’-0”, 211#)
Extremely active on film and looks for the play and never quits. Very solid athlete built like a brick house. A punishing tackler and looks to hit people. Physicality is a plus. Extremely good in run support (but can miss gaps with aggressiveness). Not quick enough to be a cover-1 type deep guy, but enough is there to play cover-2. Versatile, NFL-level athlete for secondary and nickel schemes. Should be a terror on special teams. Will frustrate you with a miss one play, but will make a fantastic game-changing play next. Coaching staff will have to live with some mistakes at least early in career. Round 1

Budda Baker*, Washington (5’-10”, 190#)
Gifted athlete that played all over Washington’s defense and even took some snaps on offense. Played deep cover-1 and also lots of man-under slot coverage. Very quick in decision making and downhill support against runs. Exceptional click-and-close ability. Does not have elite length and might be susceptible to high-point WR’s in deep coverage. There’s a lot to like and might test very well at combine. Will find roll very quick on team both on coverage units and nickel defenses and plenty of potential to be multi-year starter. Round 2

Malik Hooker*, Ohio State (6’-2”, 205#)
Shows a lot of discipline for a redshirt sophomore and understands assignments well. Often directed secondary traffic. Looks the part and is probably a good athlete (elite school/recruit). Didn’t see a lot of wow plays but he’s steady, has the size/length you look for and will not be outclassed athletically at the next level. Shows potential at both safety spots and is not limited by scheme fit. A solid, if not exceptional, safety talent. Round 2-3

Eddie Jackson, Alabama (6’-0”, 195#)
Very solid jack-of-all-trades, master of none type safety prospect. Nice length and plays a lot tougher/bigger than 195#. Returned punts and has good hands. Speed should be more than adequate. Versatile and shows ability to both play zone/drive down on play and turn-and-run. Does not shy aware from blockers in run support. Good program with elite players around him. Directed traffic and made secondary calls. Round 3

Rayshawn Jenkins, Miami (6’-2”, 210#)
Very good height/length for position and can really be disruptive as a zone defender and against taller WR’s. Depending on timed speed could match up underneath against TE’s and big slot WR’s. Has some versatility on film as both an inside the box safety and deep cover-1 safety. A bit cocky and not sure he’s quite as elite as he thinks he is. Special teams will still matter for this player and he has to put in the work (could be coasting to date). Nice aggressiveness and physical play. Round 3-4

Marcus Williams*, Utah (6’-0”, 195#)
Slight build and covers a lot of ground as deep free safety in Utah’s system cover-1 system. There’s some work to cleanup when he comes up in run support (wrong angles, toughness, etc.), but his coverage ability is very good and he shows some physicality to make the hit on deep crosses in front of him. Takes good angles and looks to have the speed to compete at next level (plays like a sub 4.5 player). Round 4

Marcus Maye, Florida (5’-11”, 216#)
Redshirt senior that plays very similar to Matt Elam (who he mostly replaced) as a 3-year starter in the “under” safety position (Keanu Neal played deep). Thick and strong in seat/thighs and gets low on tackles. Good in run support and driving downhill and isn’t afraid to get nose dirty. A bit limited in athleticism and lacks length to make a lot of plays in secondary. Involved a lot and plays decent angles. Not a bad mid-round safety. Round 4

Lorenzo Jerome, St. Francis (5’-11”, 195#)
Small school prospect on bad team with limited film. Depending on speed could be a tweener CB/nickel back type prospect. Very good burst and read/react on stuff downhill. Is not afraid to get nose dirty, stays low and has good tackling fundamentals. With all the spread stuff and WR screens he can do well against them from slot duty. Looks pretty fast on film (4.5?). Will have to earn his keep on special teams but has some nice traits to be a nickel DB early in career while learning trade to be deep half safety. Round 5

Nate Gerry, Nebraska (6’2”, 220#)
Big strong safety type that is best as a box, downhill presence vs. the run and plays physical man-under coverages. Not asked to cover deep half often and is not a single-high type at all. Very similar to Patrick Chung including what he does well for Belichick and what he does bad (like with the Eagles). Speed/COD will matter at combine, but he’s okay for a box safety if you don’t try to make him something he is not. Round 5

Josh Harvey-Clemons, Louisville (6’-5”, 230#)
Very big, well-built and tall safety/linebacker hybrid. Always a bit late to the play and often takes false steps or attacks wrong gap in run play. Is not efficient in his use of athletic ability. Might be a straight-line athlete so check change-of-direction numbers. One-on-one coverage can be suspect if forced to turn and run. Looks the part, but the film (see Clemson game) is not very good. Will have to earn a spot on special teams and prove to coaches he can clean up mistakes. There’s enough to like as a sub-package player or WILL prospect or even a Tampa-2 style MLB but could take a few years to get there. Round 5

Justin Evans, Texas A&M (6’-0”, 200#)
Similar type analysis to Tedric Thompson. An “almost” player and is a bit late on being in the right place/right time to make impact plays. Mature physique and is about maxed out. Returns kicks and has some versatility to play both safety spots. Athleticism is probably adequate and likely more of a straight line athlete. Not a lot of “plus” attributes and not a lot of wow plays but he brings enough to the table to give him a shot in camp, make a mark on special teams and see if he can absorb a playbook and keep up. Round 5-6

Tedric Thompson, Colorado (6’-0”, 205#)
Lots of near misses when it comes to making plays. Does not fill up stat sheet and has lots of tackle “attempts” or comes in late to party. Might be a failed corner prospect due to speed issues (4.6?). Looked to be captain of secondary as a senior and directed traffic. NFL will really wake him up to where his ability stands. Was not impressed with film all that much. Round 5-6.

Obi Melifonwu, Connecticut (6’-3”, 216#)
Size/length is very noticeable on film and lacks quicks as compared to smaller receivers. His change of direction skills and athleticism do not look elite and might struggle against NFL quickness. Could be a player without a position and has to find the right system to suit his characteristics. Buyer beware on how he fits in today’s NFL. Round 6


Jadar Johnson, Clemson (6’-0”, 210#)
No film yet

Josh Jones*, NC State (6’-2”, 215#)
No film yet
 
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Del - love your draft stuff man.
With that said, Hooker in rds 2/3? Everyone seems to have him in the top-10.
His CF skills are fantastic for a guy that hasn't played but a couple years of football.
 
Del - love your draft stuff man.
With that said, Hooker in rds 2/3? Everyone seems to have him in the top-10.
His CF skills are fantastic for a guy that hasn't played but a couple years of football.

Like I said earlier I have no idea what other people are saying this year so you might get a pretty wide difference (at first) in what I see on film and what the "experts" are saying.

I will say this about Hooker. I just watched film on BOTH their cornerbacks coming out early this year; Gareon Conley (#8) and Marshon Lattimore (#2) and they are both very good prospects and you know what I was thinking while watching them lock up the outside? "Whoever that #24 safety is for OSU he gives up a lot of plays in the middle of the field" And you know who that is? Hooker....

Obviously, it's just my opinion, but I don't see anything that special about him right now. Maybe he comes into Indianapolis and runs a 4.4 and jumps 40" and has 3-cone under 7.00 seconds and I'll revisit the tape. And I have no idea how long he's been playing football. But he looks a bit rough around the edges to me.
 
I really love the thought of taking James Connor in the 4th or 5th. Local kid (for me in Erie), great story, tough runner. He's definitely a Steeler type of back.
 
Like I said earlier I have no idea what other people are saying this year so you might get a pretty wide difference (at first) in what I see on film and what the "experts" are saying.

I will say this about Hooker. I just watched film on BOTH their cornerbacks coming out early this year; Gareon Conley (#8) and Marshon Lattimore (#2) and they are both very good prospects and you know what I was thinking while watching them lock up the outside? "Whoever that #24 safety is for OSU he gives up a lot of plays in the middle of the field" And you know who that is? Hooker....

Obviously, it's just my opinion, but I don't see anything that special about him right now. Maybe he comes into Indianapolis and runs a 4.4 and jumps 40" and has 3-cone under 7.00 seconds and I'll revisit the tape. And I have no idea how long he's been playing football. But he looks a bit rough around the edges to me.

Hey man - fair enough. Your point of view - that's cool.
He won't be working out at the combine either. He just had surgery on two things actually.
Wonder if that will drop him a bit as well.

Thanks for the info!
 
Also, there's no way Malik Hooker makes it to round 2-3. If he's there at #30, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to take him.

**Sorry, I should've read the other posts about this before responding.
 
Lots of good cornerbacks this year and many are difficult to grade. Really weird group with lots of size and underclassman. Almost done with them but if the Steelers want to add another secondary player, there are options this year.
 
Im keeping my eyes on Joe Mixon (RB)....he's gonna fall this draft because of the video but the kid has THE TOOLS..great all around back. I follow OU games and hes got speed, size and great hands for a back. If hes available after the start of the 3rd or 4th round, you take him. YOU TAKE HIM .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Leu4jnkWaQs

Whose running style does he remind you of ? :unconscious:
 
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Mixon is not being invited to the combine because of his arrest. There is talk he is going to fall all the way out of the draft (and then a huge bidding war for him as a UFA). I agree with you about his talent, but he is just acid right now and no one seems to want to touch him. Getting him as an UFA kind of fixes that P.R. issue (even if you overpay).
 
Mixon is not being invited to the combine because of his arrest. There is talk he is going to fall all the way out of the draft (and then a huge bidding war for him as a UFA). I agree with you about his talent, but he is just acid right now and no one seems to want to touch him. Getting him as an UFA kind of fixes that P.R. issue (even if you overpay).

Id bring him in for a workout. Do a thorough interview with him and see where his head's at.
 
Mixon has as much talent as any RB in this class. He's a great receiver out the backfield and at 6-1, 220 with speed, he has some power.

Not as shifty as Bell but then again, who is at that size? If Mixon didn't have the baggage then he has early round talent. All that been said, he's one hell of a risk.
 
I would be happy as hell if we could nab Mixon anything beyond the 4th.
 
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