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The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

Communist Russia and Fascist Germany are exactly the same thing. Antifa waving their USSR flags to me is just as offensive as someone waving a Nazi Swastika.

Hitler and Stalin were no different. Killed millions of people. Totalitarian dictatorships. Gestapo police states. Just because we had a common enemy in Germany doesn't make Russia any better to me and certainly not anything to be held up as righteous and admirable. You should know this as well as anyone Tibs.

We freed western Europe from the hands of fascism in 1945 but it took us 50 more years to free eastern Europe from the tyranny of Communist Russia.

Any organization that calls itself "Anti-Fascism" by embracing "Pro-USSR Communism" is not to be encouraged or praised. It's not just their actions that make Antifa an awful organization but what they represent. Even a peaceful Fascist rally is still awful because of what it represents.
 
Nothing you guys say holds ground due to the collective, deafening silence when it comes to right-wing extremism, which has been on the rise, including multiple instances of mass murder and extreme violence.

Yet you’re up in arms over the perceived threat from antifa, a bunch of loudmouth hooligans who ‘may some day’ end up killing someone. The wild inconsistency when it comes to extremism is self evident on this board, day in and day out.
 
Nothing you guys say holds ground due to the collective, deafening silence when it comes to right-wing extremism, which has been on the rise, including multiple instances of mass murder and extreme violence.

Yet you’re up in arms over the perceived threat from antifa, a bunch of loudmouth hooligans who ‘may some day’ end up killing someone. The wild inconsistency when it comes to extremism is self evident on this board, day in and day out.

Not true at all, Tibs.

We condemn any violence. You want to paint all of us as far-right racist skinheads, when it's the furthest from the truth. We don't condone any violence from any particular group at any time. You, however, support AntiFa (calling for deaths), BLM (who actually killed cops) and the list goes on. Your hypocrisy, as stated previously over and over, knows no bounds.

If you truly believe everyone here supports lynchings, killing of anyone not-white or homosexual, then by the same logic we must say that you support the shooting of Republican politicians at a softball game.
 
They don't kill people, they just ignite riots, destroy local businesses and property, put police and civilians at risk of serious harm or death. No biggie.

Trump sneezed in the direction of Russia. OH MY GAAD! TREASON!
 
Nothing you guys say holds ground due to the collective, deafening silence when it comes to right-wing extremism, which has been on the rise, including multiple instances of mass murder and extreme violence.

Yet you’re up in arms over the perceived threat from antifa, a bunch of loudmouth hooligans who ‘may some day’ end up killing someone. The wild inconsistency when it comes to extremism is self evident on this board, day in and day out.

Right wing violence is on the rise in America? I know CNN loves to say that.....without verifying it in any way. You mean it's higher now than in the days of the KKK? Or it's higher now because Trump is in office? I haven't seen any figures to show that either. Again it's something Rchael Maddow and Dom Lemon LOVE to spout off about and blame Trump for, but they can't seem to show any evidence that it is on the rise at all. I highly doubt that it is but if you can show it I'll condemn it whole heartedly.
 
Nothing you guys say holds ground due to the collective, deafening silence when it comes to right-wing extremism, which has been on the rise, including multiple instances of mass murder and extreme violence.

Yet you’re up in arms over the perceived threat from antifa, a bunch of loudmouth hooligans who ‘may some day’ end up killing someone. The wild inconsistency when it comes to extremism is self evident on this board, day in and day out.

We've all condemned right wing violence. No one here has ever defended it that I'm aware of. Another strawman argument.
 
We've all condemned right wing violence. No one here has ever defended it that I'm aware of. Another strawman argument.

Yep. Don't think anyone has compared a Right Wing extremist organization to our brave Veterans storming the beaches of Normandy either. Ever.
 
Outside of politics, I think most of people on this board would get along fine. I don't think anyone hear thinks violence is the right answer. right/left it doesn't matter. arguments to the opposite just doesn't make sense to me.
 
Right wing violence is on the rise in America?

Uhm, yeah, maybe, kinda sorta...

The Terrorism That Doesn’t Spark a Panic
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...rists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism, according to new report
https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1

It’s Time to Confront the Threat of Right-Wing Terrorism
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...o-confront-the-threat-of-right-wing-terrorism

U.S. sees rise in right-wing extremism
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/us-sees-rise-in-right-wing-extremism/


Yeah, I know the drill. This is all pure fiction, propagated by Soros and spun by the lefitst, liberal media. /deep sigh

But post a single meme about antifa fighting facists and you're burned at the stake. Fun place, fun times.
 
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Outside of politics, I think most of people on this board would get along fine. I don't think anyone hear thinks violence is the right answer. right/left it doesn't matter. arguments to the opposite just doesn't make sense to me.

you've never met Ark. Talking to him for 5 minutes would make the Pope want to throw hands.
 
you've never met Ark. Talking to him for 5 minutes would make the Pope want to throw hands.

does one really need to meet Ark to know that? Every statement made on this board regarding peace, harmony, everyone getting along comes with an * does not include Ark I thought that was without saying.
 
does one really need to meet Ark to know that? Every statement made on this board regarding peace, harmony, everyone getting along comes with an * does not include Ark I thought that was without saying.

Arksterik is a value that while needs to be explained also needs to not be spoken.
 
Uhm, yeah, maybe, kinda sorta...

The Terrorism That Doesn’t Spark a Panic
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...rists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism, according to new report
https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1

It’s Time to Confront the Threat of Right-Wing Terrorism
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...o-confront-the-threat-of-right-wing-terrorism

U.S. sees rise in right-wing extremism
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/us-sees-rise-in-right-wing-extremism/


Yeah, I know the drill. This is all pure fiction, propagated by Soros and spun by the lefitst, liberal media. /deep sigh

But post a single meme about antifa fighting facists and you're burned at the stake. Fun place, fun times.

problem with this is that a "rise" in right wing violence could be 1-2 more while a "fall" in left wing violence could mean 20-30 less, but would still outnumber the alleged right wing violence. And this isn't a race anyone wants to win by increasing their numbers. Again, no one on this board applauds the acts of violence from any group ... unless we include you, Elfie, Flogomanbun and 21 when you cheered on BLM chanting "We want dead pigs" and some ******* shot some cops in Dallas as a result.
 
Uhm, yeah, maybe, kinda sorta...

The Terrorism That Doesn’t Spark a Panic
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...rists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism, according to new report
https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1

It’s Time to Confront the Threat of Right-Wing Terrorism
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...o-confront-the-threat-of-right-wing-terrorism

U.S. sees rise in right-wing extremism
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/us-sees-rise-in-right-wing-extremism/


Yeah, I know the drill. This is all pure fiction, propagated by Soros and spun by the lefitst, liberal media. /deep sigh

But post a single meme about antifa fighting facists and you're burned at the stake. Fun place, fun times.

Antifa is not "fighting fascists". Stop saying that. They've protested speeches by conservative commentators at universities by smashing windows and setting fires.Using violence to silence people you disagree with isn't fighting fascism, it IS fascism.
 
They've protested speeches by conservative commentators at universities by smashing windows and setting fires.
The horror! While far right extremists are gunning down innocents with automatic weapons in places of worship. Really, the problem here is the overzealous tactics of leftist protestors. Glad we have our priorities in order. No false equivalence here, nope, none.
 
The horror! While far right extremists are gunning down innocents with automatic weapons in places of worship. Really, the problem here is the overzealous tactics of leftist protestors. Glad we have our priorities in order. No false equivalence here, nope, none.

Once again Tibs, I don't support right wing extremist violence. I wholeheartedly condemn it.
Setting fires and destroying property are just "overzealous tactics" to you. SMDH.

And nobody said it is "equivalent" to gunning people down. It's not. Still fascism though.
 
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The horror! While far right extremists are gunning down innocents with automatic weapons in places of worship. Really, the problem here is the overzealous tactics of leftist protestors. Glad we have our priorities in order. No false equivalence here, nope, none.

source?
 
Atta boy, Mexico! Good dog. Heel!

With just days to go until the Trump administration is set to impose punishing tariffs on Mexico unless the country halts the unprecedented flow of illegal immigrants across the southern border, numerous signs that Mexico would capitulate emerged Thursday -- but it remained unclear Friday morning whether their efforts would satisfy the White House.

Reports in the evening indicated that Mexico's negotiators with Washington have offered to immediately deploy 6,000 National Guard troops to the border with Guatemala. Additionally, Mexico has reportedly agreed to a major overhaul of reasonable asylum protocols, which would require asylum applicants to seek permanent refuge in the first country they arrive in after fleeing their home countries.
 
Uhm, yeah, maybe, kinda sorta...

The Terrorism That Doesn’t Spark a Panic
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...rists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism, according to new report
https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1

It’s Time to Confront the Threat of Right-Wing Terrorism
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...o-confront-the-threat-of-right-wing-terrorism

U.S. sees rise in right-wing extremism
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/us-sees-rise-in-right-wing-extremism/


Yeah, I know the drill. This is all pure fiction, propagated by Soros and spun by the lefitst, liberal media. /deep sigh

But post a single meme about antifa fighting facists and you're burned at the stake. Fun place, fun times.

Those articles state that VIOLENCE has gone up in the past decade. They SPECULATE that there were more because of increasing right wing ideology. And yes,you are correct that I believe they damn well want people to think that this is so. Because race hatred sells and race hatred helps their side win elections. They use minority groups like a commodity to be bought and sold. That is fact.

Aside form that, do you really think I don't hate some White Supremacist nut who shoots up a synagogue or a black church more than I hate some left winger who shoots up a white church?. Anyone who feels that way is sick and blinded by ideology IMO.
 
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The horror! While far right extremists are gunning down innocents with automatic weapons in places of worship. Really, the problem here is the overzealous tactics of leftist protestors. Glad we have our priorities in order. No false equivalence here, nope, none.

Here are the problems with your articles Tibor: the source and the methodology, though in many ways they are one in the same.

Left wing organizations jump...JUMP...at the opportunity to classify a shooting or a rock throwing as a hate crime, extreme, right wing, etc. They do not classify crimes committed by transgenders and lesbians, African Americans, Muslims as extremist or terrorist acts. AntiFA throws rocks at Conservatives, it is NOT labeled Left Wing Extremism. A white man throws a rock through an abortion clinic window, it's added to a data base of Right Wing extremist crimes. Liberals blow up a Republican political office in NC, it is NOT called a terrorist or extremist act.

Imagine the horror indeed of a rogue press and how misinformation and abuse of stats skews minds - just...like...yours.

  • DeWayne Craddock kills 12 in VA beach, 9 white. The media leaves this alone. Won't touch it. Has stopped covering it. Was this guy an extremist? We may never know.
  • BLM Micah Johnson kills 9 cops. If my memory serves, this still is not classified as "Left Wing" violence. Hmmmm.
  • James Hodgkinson shoots a Congressman. This isn't reported as Left Wing violence by your esteemed sources. Just a "nut."
  • The San Bernadino terrorists....not listed as Left Wing violence.
  • The Fort Hood shootings, listed instead as a "workplace shooting."
  • The recent Colorado transgender shootings were hate based. But will not be classified as such.
Getting the picture? See how this works? It's pure and utter data manipulation. To feed weak minds like yours.

This article states the facts in other ways.

There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violencehttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...s_no_surge_in_right-wing_violence_138791.html

A Washington Post "analysis" of domestic terrorism argues that attacks from white supremacists and other "far-right attackers" have been on the rise since Barack Obama's presidency and "surged since President Trump took office." It's a familiar storyline meant to assure liberals that yes, Trump-motivated right-wing terrorists are running wild. There are, however, a few problems with this proposition.

For one thing, even if we accept the numbers the Post offers, the use of the word "surge" -- meaning a sudden, powerful forward or upward movement -- strains credibility. There's no evidence of a "surge," either in historical context or as a matter of ideological preference.

That is to say, we have good reason not to accept the numbers. According to The Washington Post, which relies on Global Terrorism Database data, there were zero acts of right-wing terrorism in the entire nation in 2002. Since then, we have seen a "surge," to 36 in a nation of 325-plus million people in 2017. Among those acts, there were 11 fatalities.

In other words, fewer homicides were committed by political terrorists of any stripe in the United States in 2017 than were committed by undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas alone -- which, I am assured, is an incredibly low number that shouldn't worry us very much. If one of these "surges" is scaremongering, why not the other?

Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)

For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.

Still other events are even more opaque. In San Juan, Puerto Rico -- apparently a hotbed of white supremacy -- an incendiary device was thrown into a gay nightclub. No one was injured, thank goodness. Also, no one was caught, and no one claimed responsibility for the act. Yet the episode doesn't even earn a "suspected" designation from GTD.

If the definition of domestic terrorism is muddy at best, the definition of right-wing terrorism is often arbitrary and self-serving.

To help bolster right-wing terrorist stats, for instance, we would have to perfunctorily include every anti-Semitic act. The Washington Post even mentions an Anti-Defamation League study showing "a 57 percent surge in anti-Semitic incidents in 2017."

If anything, the ADL study should be cautionary, as it demonstrates how difficult it is to not only quantify these incidents but also categorize them ideologically. The ADL's faulty data were self-reported, for instance, and most of the "surge" can be attributed to a single Jewish teen in Israel calling in a number of bomb threats to Jewish centers.

In the real world, a Jewish American is probably likelier to encounter anti-Semitism at a college campus than anywhere else.

Then there is the matter of inconsistently defining terrorism. If throwing a rock through the window of an Islamic center is an act of right-wing terrorism, why isn't it an act of left-wing terrorism for anti-capitalists to throw rocks through the window of a business in Oregon? Surely, both fall under the description of terror, which the GTD defines as "the threatened or actual use of illegal force and violence by a non-state actor seeking to attain a political, economic, religious or social goal through fear, coercion, or intimidation." As far as I can tell, only one of these genres actually makes the cut for the GTD.

This is what happens when reporters work backward from a predetermined premise.

You'll notice, as well, that these analyses typically begin in 2002, seeing as the 2,977 Americans murdered on 9/11 are inconvenient to the white-supremacy-is-more-dangerous-than-radical-Islam narrative. The reason we don't have a real-life "surge" of attacks by Islamic extremists since 2001, incidentally, is that the United States has spent billions yearly to stop it.

Of course, political violence isn't the monopoly of any one group. Although there have been flare-ups of leftist violence in the 1900s and the 1960s and '70s, for the most part, this kind of violence is still rare. That could change. And none of this is to say horrible events aren't happening. Nor is it to say that haters don't exist. But exaggerating the problem for political reasons doesn't help anyone. Covering your partisan work with a bogus veneer of scientific analysis doesn't make it any more useful.
 
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Yeah, pump the brakes on that one Sarge, I have many close friends who served - young and old - and respect them all. Including a dear friend who I've known 20+ years who was there on d-day in Normandy. He's 92, still doing well, fit as a whistle, been living in London for years. A while back I showed him that meme and he laughed. Hated Nazis then and hates Nazis now.

By posting that here, I was trying to point out that at the core, Antifa stands against white supremacists, Nazis, KKK and the like, all of which are aligned ideologically with Fascism and the Nazis. So if you stood against the Nazis during WWII, it would logically follow that you stand against racist, anti-Semitic, white supremacist groups now. If that is somehow insulting to anyone in the military, I'm not seeing it.

Of course it would take a nutjob like TimSteelersfan to run with the analogy and argue that I was somehow drawing an actual - real life - parallel between antifa and our military, who fought tooth and nail and sacrificed life and limb to reign in the Nazis on battlefields throughout Europe. That obviously was never my intention. Antifa at the end of the day are a bunch of misfit college kids who like to march around screaming into bullhorns and wave flags & signs and protest against anything that moves. But who cares what I meant by it, I get dragged through mud regardless. Such is life.

Let’s be clear here. Antifa isn’t about fighting Nazi’s or white suprematism. What they are trying to do is force conformity to their ideology through property destruction and violence. Shouting down and silencing opposition. Kind of like what Nazi’s do.
 
Yep. Don't think anyone has compared a Right Wing extremist organization to our brave Veterans storming the beaches of Normandy either. Ever.

Tibs knows that. His problem is that no one races over here to blame it on Trump.
 
Let’s be clear here. Antifa isn’t about fighting Nazi’s or white suprematism. What they are trying to do is force conformity to their ideology through property destruction and violence. Shouting down and silencing opposition. Kind of like what Nazi’s do.

Exactly, and lunatics like Tibs equate everyone who isn't a socialist/libtard whacko on all issues - with Nazis. And the psychos actually believe it.
 
I know for a fact that "Hate Crimes" are being classified with a broader brush and that has had a major reason why "official statistics" show a rise in "hate" crimes.

Once the left starts purposely looking for statistics to support their arguments against Trump, no amount of logic or statistical uniformity matters anymore. And God forbid the new media would lead a story using statistics that explains there could be differences between the data sets or definitions or bias in the stat takers.

I'm even a believer in climate change and global warming, but the exaggeration and bogus statistics the far-left eco-warriors and left-wing media throw out there as "fact" have been proved time and time again to be wrong. How can you take anything they say seriously when Al Gore said with a straight face that the whole North Pole wouldn't have ice by 2010 and polar bears would be extinct by now?

I just don't get why the left thinks the over-exaggeration of climate change helps there cause at all. Their whole platform is shock and awe now, not facts or what is actually happening.
 
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