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The Coronavirus thread

BLITZ said:
200000+ have this world wide and it has shut everything down like this? I am thinking this is a bigger hoax than man made climate change.
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Ironically all of this staying home will probably reduce emissions more than anything the world's governments could have ever proposed.
 
Confluence said:
Bring Spike back.

This place is lesser without his contribution.

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While Spike literally has nothing to do (25,000+ posts folks. This IS his life) and machine gun-posts link after link after link, he still has to operate with a decent code of conduct. It doesn't matter if you are trolling or trying to get people agitated, you do not wish death upon other posters' families.

Bottom line, that's what he did - Spike wished those who didn't subscribe to his views have their elderly relatives infected.

That's not funny. It shouldn't ever be acceptable. None of you would sit well if I said "Hey, don't agree with me, I hope your son sucks a glock and dies."

Ban deserved.

Just because he entertains you doesn't justify him saying **** you and I wouldn't get away with. As Coolie said, none of us are above SN Law.
 
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Tim Steelersfan said:
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While Spike literally has nothing to do (25,000+ posts folks. This IS his life) and machine gun-posts link after link after link, he still has to operate with a decent code of conduct. It doesn't matter if you are trolling or trying to get people agitated, you do not wish death upon other posters' families.

Bottom line, that's what he did - Spike wished those who didn't subscribe to his views have their elderly relatives infected.

That's not funny. It shouldn't ever be acceptable. None of you would sit well if I said "Hey, don't agree with me, I hope your son sucks a glock and dies."

Ban deserved.

Just because he entertains you doesn't justify him saying **** you and I wouldn't get away with. As Coolie said, none of us are above SN Law.
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Probably the best thing for him to step away for awhile. He doesn't seem healthy at all right now.
 
Laura Ingraham — Infected Washington woman had 372 traced contacts, and only 1 person caught virus…

https://youtu.be/hIpCSt6NUJg

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NIH – ‘Virus doesn’t have airborne risk’…

https://youtu.be/W3Am0hphc1E

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Cramer – Boeing needs $60 billion bailout to survive…

https://youtu.be/Kyr9gVgv1DQ

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So China lost 4,000 people and the virus is on the decline. Anecdotally, it may not be as communicable as we once thought. The fears of it being an airborne virus have been quashed. And as a result, Boeing already needs $60Billion. That's one company.

The over-reaction is what will kill us.
 
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Tim Steelersfan said:
Laura Ingraham — Infected Washington woman had 372 traced contacts, and only 1 person caught virus…

https://youtu.be/hIpCSt6NUJg

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NIH – ‘Virus doesn’t have airborne risk’…

https://youtu.be/W3Am0hphc1E

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Cramer – Boeing needs $60 billion bailout to survive…

https://youtu.be/Kyr9gVgv1DQ

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So China lost 4,000 people and the virus is on the decline. Anecdotally, it may not be as communicable as we once thought. The fears of it being an airborne virus have been quashed. And as a result, Boeing already needs $60Billion. That's one company.

The over-reaction is what will kill us.
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And Italy has lost close to that many with a fraction of the total infections, I don't believe the numbers from the Chinese at all. Something does not add up in China. Look at what is happening in Europe.
 
China has had supposedly 80,928 cases with 3.245 deaths.
Italy has had 35,713 cases with 2,978 deaths.
Iran has 18,407 cases with 1,046 deaths.

I realize those don't account all actual infections but something is off with China's numbers and there is a reason they are throwing reporters out.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
China has had supposedly 80,928 cases with 3.245 deaths.
Italy has had 35,713 cases with 2,978 deaths.
Iran has 18,407 cases with 1,046 deaths.

I realize those don't account all actual infections but something is off with China's numbers and there is a reason they are throwing reporters out.
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Include South Korea in your analysis.
 
Played music for the masses last night at a local watering hole. Packed crowd, but the management told me to "take it easy and don't get people worked up and dancing"...lol.
 
https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/coronavirus-infections-are-likely-to-peak-next-week/

I know there is coronavirus doom and gloom everywhere you look on social media right now — in particular with viral predictions of millions of coronavirus deaths on the horizon — but I believe most people are missing the key detail in this outbreak: the number of daily new infections.

Don’t focus on the raw numbers of infection or their growth or death rates — the kind of fear porn you see peddled far and wide on social media — just look at the rates of daily new infection that have occurred in coronavirus outbreaks around the globe and you can divine, to a great extent, what the future is likely to hold.

As a preliminary, yes, I am a lawyer who now makes a living writing and talking primarily about sports. No, I am not an epidemiologist and I’m not a doctor either. So if you don’t want to read any further or want to denigrate my opinions for that reason, you’re certainly entitled to that perspective.
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While most in the United States have been focusing on the United States outbreak I’ve paid quite a bit of attention to what’s happened in China, South Korea and Japan.

Why?

Because all three of these countries had coronavirus outbreaks before ours and all three had essentially ended the viral outbreaks in their respective countries before our outbreak really took root. That is, the factual evidence clearly established that when these countries attacked the spread of the virus, they succeeded.

Interestingly, all three countries took different paths to end that outbreak — China, with the worst outbreak in the world to this point, was more draconian in its restrictions, while South Korea and Japan handled their outbreaks with much less significant disruptions to their economies and daily life.

Certainly in the months and years ahead it will make a great deal of sense to study every country’s response in an effort to find out the best possible model to adopt for future pandemics, but as I write this China, South Korea, and Japan have a total of 126 new infections today.

This means all three countries have effectively ended the viral outbreaks they were combating. (It’s certainly possible the virus could re-emerge in the future, but right now it seems to be beaten).

Now let’s pivot to our country.

Yesterday the United States saw our highest number of new infections to date, adding 1748 new cases. (It’s important to note that daily “new” cases doesn’t mean new in the context of they just happened. “New cases” are the result of infections that generally occurred five or more days in the past.) As I write this we are on track to exceed yesterday’s number of daily new infections again today and probably for the next several days as well. (If you watch the White House press briefings and listen to Dr. Birx –who has been PHENOMENAL in speaking to the media, alongside of Dr. Fauci — she forecast this occurrence several days ago. Letting astute listeners know that as the testing ramped up in a big way in this country the number of infections would surge as well.)

But, and this is key, despite the number of new daily infections that doesn’t mean the virus is continuing to spread at this rapid of a rate, it means that we are catching up to the infections that have already occurred in the days and weeks prior to our aggressive action. That is, since the average incubation for this virus is five days, pretty much everyone testing positive today got the virus before the social distancing and quarantines began in substantial numbers in this country.

Right now the fear porn purveyors — all too many of whom are in the media — are spinning these infection numbers as hard as they can to terrify people and convince them we are about to descend into abject despair. That our efforts to combat the virus are failing. But the number of daily new infections is a rearguard action, it’s measuring where we were several days ago in the fight against the virus, not where we are today.

And I think that means most of the people panicking in this country right now are missing the signal amid the noise.

Peak new daily infection rates in this country are closer than most think and, and this is significant, hitting a daily new infection peak is a very good thing because it signals we are moving to the backside of our outbreak.

And I think we’re going to hit peak new daily infections very soon.

How soon?

Well, the data in other countries suggests that our peak daily infection rate is likely to come next week.

How can I project this?

By looking at what already happened in China, Japan and South Korea.

As I said earlier in this article, those countries have a total of 126 combined new infections today.

That’s because once their infection rate began to decline it do incredibly rapidly, the inverse of the rapid rise.

In other words this virus ramps up rapidly, but it also declines rapidly.

Okay, some of you are saying, but those Asian countries did X, Y, and Z and we aren’t doing X, Y, and Z!

Well, let’s leave Asia behind and move to Europe, in particular to Italy, which has been the fear porn proxy for most American social media users. “ITALY, ITALY, ITALY THEY WAIL! Look at the curve in Italy! We match it perfectly we are never going to be able to survive!”

Yes, Italy has suffered a substantial loss of life — 2503 as I write this afternoon — but as a result of this loss of life Italy has undertaken drastic measures to fight the virus. And, significantly, these drastic measures work and they appear to work rapidly against the virus.

On March 14th Italy hit 3,497 daily new infections. On March 15th Italy hit 3,590 new infections, the viral peak for daily new infections so far in their country. Then came 3,233 new infections on March 16th and 3,526 on March 17th. Now it’s still possible, of course, that the number of new daily infections could pop above 3,590, the present high set on March 15th — update they did on 3/18 after I clicked publish — but even with a still vacillating total infection number it seems pretty clear that at a minimum Italy has hit an infection plateau. (The number of daily deaths also peaked in Italy on March 15th at 368 — a new peak death rate came on March 18th after publication — and has declined since then.)

Far from being an example of exponential growth run wild, Italy stopped the coronavirus’s growth of daily new infections in its country in the space of a week. (This is why so many of these viral epidemiologist studies that go viral on social media are worthless. All of them presume nothing changes. If you want a fascinating read about a man who saw all this before the Chinese outbreak ended, go read the opinion of Micheal Levitt, a biophysicist who won the Nobel prize in chemistry.

Here’s the essence of Levitt’s analysis from that article: “The rate of infection of the virus in the Hubei province increased by 30% each day — that is a scary statistic. I am not an influenza expert but I can analyze numbers and that is exponential growth.”

Had the growth continued at that rate, the whole world would have become infected within 90 days. But as Levitt continued to process the numbers, the pattern changed. On February 1, when he first looked at the statistics, Hubei Province had 1,800 new cases a day. By February 6, that number had reached 4,700 new cases a day.

But on February 7, something changed. “The number of new infections started to drop linearly and did not stop,” Levitt said. “A week later, the same happened with the number of the deaths. This dramatic change in the curve marked the median point and enabled better prediction of when the pandemic will end. Based on that, I concluded that the situation in all of China will improve within two weeks. And, indeed, now there are very few new infection cases.”

Back to Italy, the data now reflects that from this point forward their infections will begin to descend, just like happened in China. And if Italy’s infection rate descends like they did in China, Japan and South Korea that will be a rapid descent which will allow a rapid return to normal life.

Now Italy appears to be further along in its viral outbreak than either France, Spain, Germany, or England are, but the lessons of Italy appear to reinforce the lessons of China, Japan and South Korea. Indeed, both France and Spain also appear to be close to hitting their peak numbers of new daily infections also. (By the way, the most interesting data point I have seen is from Germany. Somehow Germany has 11,973 infections and only 28 deaths. That’s a death rate for infected patients of .23%. What are they doing better than everyone else? Because that rate of death is very similar to the flu.)

Which is why if you extrapolate the data from China, Japan, South Korea, Italy, France and Spain to the United States then it seems highly likely that our rate of new daily infection will peak sometime late next week.

From that point forward we will be on the backside of this particular outbreak and our daily infection rate will decline rapidly.

That is, I believe rates of daily new infection in America will peak and then begin to drop precipitously starting at the end of next week. That doesn’t mean that new hotspots might not emerge around the United States or that our fight against the coronavirus is over, but it does means there’s a very good chance the worst of our outbreak will have passed by next week.

We will, in the words of Dr. Fauci, have flattened the curve.

What does that mean for America?

Well, since this is primarily a sports site it means our sports may well return faster than we thought. Already the KBA and CBA, the two pro basketball associations in Korea and China, are preparing to start back up their leagues in those countries.

But, much more significantly, it also means our economy may well bounce back more rapidly than many fear. Hopefully by early to mid-April we can begin to embrace a bit more normalcy in our lives once more.

And in what might be the most lasting legacy of this outbreak, hopefully we will have put in place a series of pandemic systems to allow us to respond more rapidly to more significant and deadly outbreaks that might arise in the future.

The good news is this virus is (probably) not going to kill you and we (likely) only have about a week until we hit the viral peak of new daily infections in America. Loss of life will be in the thousands, at most, and not the tens of thousands or the hundreds of thousands or the millions as the most terrifying of these forecasts have suggested. That doesn’t mean you should stop social distancing and staying at home if you’re ill, by the way, but it does mean that this containment is likely going to work very, very well.

What should you do if you believe my forecast is accurate? Buy stocks. I believe Wall Street has baked in far worse expectations than what the reality of this coronavirus will represent.

That’s why I spent all morning buying stocks myself. Yes, I’m putting my money where my mouth is.

And, by the way, if you hate me and you believe I’m totally wrong in my forecast, you’re entitled to that opinion as well. Indeed, if I personally end up dying of the coronavirus, you have my full permission to make as much fun of me as possible on social media.

“Writer who said no one would die of COVID 19 dies of COVID 19” is a hell of a headline.

I’d click on that link.

And like most of you I’d be too busy to actually read the article, but I would make a witty and sarcastic comment and share it with all my followers, ensuring it was one of the top trending topics for the day. So have at it.)

The reality is, spoiler alert, we’re all going to die.

But the evidence from around the world suggests that for the vast, vast majority of us, it won’t be from this virus.
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Love this column. BOOM!

CHEAP TVS, EXPENSIVE FLU

Here's a thought: While self-quarantining with their families in multimillion-dollar Manhattan co-ops, Wall Street wives ought to have a chat with their Master of the Universe husbands about China, globalism and political correctness. Those are the vectors of their robber-baron wealth.

Thanks to “globalism” -- i.e., cheap goods from China -- we’ve gotten many wondrous things, for example:

-- Toothpaste on American shelves made with a poison found in antifreeze.

-- Toxic Chinese drywall installed in about 100,000 U.S. homes, emitting noxious fumes that destroyed electrical wiring and metal fixtures and sickened homeowners. Replacement of the drywall, pipes and wiring cost Americans billions of dollars.

-- Hundreds, possibly thousands, of American dogs killed by melamine-laced Chinese dog food in 2007.

-- The loss of about 200,000 beautiful maple trees lining the streets of small New England towns, eaten by Asian long-horned beetles that arrived on Chinese cargo ships in 1996. The U.S. taxpayer spends hundreds of millions of dollars to eradicate the repeated outbreaks that continue to this day, despite promises from the Chinese to do better.

-- Viral pandemics -- H1N1 (from China), bird flu (from China), SARS (from China) and now the Wuhan virus (from China).

Is it really worth paying $3 for a T-shirt at Walmart, rather than $9? The precise reason Chinese goods are so cheap is that they skip the crucial quality-control step.

The media’s reaction to this latest pandemic out of China is to say ... LET’S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT: THE CHINESE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!

Well, like most animal-to-human viruses, this one did originate in China and then spread across the globe when Chinese tourists infected people in other countries.

As described by Melinda Liu in Smithsonian Magazine, the Chinese wet markets, “often poorly ventilated, with multiple species jammed together -- create ideal conditions for spreading disease through shared water utensils or airborne droplets of blood and other secretions.”

This 2017 article was titled: “Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic?”

When the pandemic arrived, at least the World Health Organization leapt to action. First step: Find a cure? Develop a vaccine? Demand protections for the elderly?

NO!

WHO officials got together and worked on coming up with a new name for the “Wuhan virus” that sounded less Asian.

Next, the WHO put out a “Fact Sheet” to ensure that those with Kung Flu would not be stigmatized. It instructed:

"DO -- talk about people 'acquiring' or 'contracting' #COVID-19.

“DON'T -- talk about people 'transmitting COVID-19,' 'infecting others' or “spreading the virus' as it implies intentional transmission & assigns blame.”

As fear of the Chinese virus spread, Gloria Allred brought a lawsuit against a Los Angeles school for sending an Asian student to the school nurse after he coughed in class.

Americans are cowering in their homes. Airlines, restaurants, beaches, ski resorts, professional sports, colleges and stores have been shut down. But we must never violate the fundamental civil right of an Asian to cough in class and refuse to see the nurse!

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he New York Times has also been on the racism beat, with these pressing stories:

As Chinese Grapple With a New Illness, an Old Stigma Is Revived

An Outbreak of Racist Sentiment as Coronavirus Reaches Australia

As Coronavirus Spreads, So Does Anti-Chinese Sentiment

And there’s more!

Virus Fuels Anti-Chinese Sentiment Overseas

Coronavirus Outbreak Risks Reviving Stigma for China
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Wait – here’s another:

For a Chinese Traveler, Even Paradise Comes With Prejudice
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A few weeks ago -- before a trillion dollars in wealth was destroyed by the coronavirus panic and we learned the real disease was racism -- everyone, including the Times, admitted that the virus was brought to Italy by two Chinese tourists.

“[T]here had not yet been any confirmed cases in Italy," the Times reported, until Jan. 30, “when the government announced the first two cases.” The scientific director of an infectious diseases hospital in Rome identified them: “two Chinese tourists visiting Rome.”

The Times buried this fact in an article perversely titled: “Cruise Passengers Are Held at Italian Port in False Alarm Over Coronavirus.” On one hand, a bunch of cruise passengers were inconvenienced for 12 hours; on the other hand, a viral pandemic that could kill millions was introduced to Italy. You write the headline.

Lombardy is the Italian region most devastated by the Wuhan virus. As far back as 2003, a Library of Congress report cited Lombardy as having the highest concentration of Chinese immigrants in Italy. Our media refuses to tell us this fact today -- or any day.

No hard feelings, but why not relieve people’s minds? West Virginians who have no contact with anyone visiting from China can rest easy! No need to stockpile toilet paper.

While we’re at it, when will the media and the “medical community” get around to informing Americans that this latest Chinese pandemic poses little danger to anyone under 70 without certain chronic medical conditions?

Italy has been ravaged by the Wuhan virus, but the average age of the dead is 81.

According to the dire estimates of the Imperial College of London -- whose assessment we are following -- excepting those with underlying medical conditions, the new coronavirus is far less deadly than the seasonal flu to anyone under 60 years old. It’s no worse than the 2017-18 flu season for those in their 60s.

But it's five to 10 times more deadly than the regular flu for those in their 70s and 80s, respectively.

We ought to surround old folks homes with the National Guard and call it a day. It would probably save more lives and wouldn’t destroy the economy.

But there’s no time to think about saving lives. The important thing is to stamp out the idea that a virus that originated in China has anything to do with China.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Include South Korea in your analysis.
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They have acted quickly and hopefully we are following in their footsteps. But they show what we are doing is needed to stop the spread rather than being an overreaction. The others show what happens if we don't take the these steps. It looks like we now have some medications approved or almost approved to start fighting this and lowering the mortality rate.
 
That posts suggests once again that the fear of the event is greater than the actual event itself.

Proverbs 29:25: "The fear of man brings a snare."

Hebrews 2:14-18: 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
 
Steelin said:
With my bad memory...maybe I'm close. The Eagles when they were a group > Don Henley.


I can see her, her brown skin shining in the sun. Shes got her sunglasses and wayfarers on.
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You got your hair combed back and your
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You got your hair slicked back and those
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SteelerInLebanon said:
They have acted quickly and hopefully we are following in their footsteps. But they show what we are doing is needed to stop the spread rather than being an overreaction. The others show what happens if we don't take the these steps. It looks like we now have some medications approved or almost approved to start fighting this and lowering the mortality rate.
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No. I'm saying when you offer mathematical analyses or point to countries as evidence of what is going on, don't omit South Korea. Include them. Otherwise your arguments are tainted.

Also, include Germany. Anyone looked at their stats? From Supe's link:

...the most interesting data point I have seen is from Germany. Somehow Germany has 11,973 infections and only 28 deaths. That’s a death rate for infected patients of .23%. What are they doing better than everyone else? Because that rate of death is very similar to the flu.....
 
This whole virus pandemic panic could end in less than a day.

Call your congressman and tell him he/she needs to call all the banks and lending institutions and waive any payments due to any lender until social distancing tactics have been dropped. Nobody should have to pay any loan when they are expected to lose income due to government enforcement of work bans.

And we're not just 'delaying' payments. We are completely forgiving any debt payment that is due during the quarantine period.

This **** will be over in a matter of hours.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
No. I'm saying when you offer mathematical analyses or point to countries as evidence of what is going on, don't omit South Korea. Include them. Otherwise your arguments are tainted.

Also, include Germany. Anyone looked at their stats? From Supe's link:

...the most interesting data point I have seen is from Germany. Somehow Germany has 11,973 infections and only 28 deaths. That’s a death rate for infected patients of .23%. What are they doing better than everyone else? Because that rate of death is very similar to the flu.....
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I wonder if they are using the antivirals Trump is talking about.


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Tim Steelersfan said:
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While Spike literally has nothing to do (25,000+ posts folks. This IS his life) and machine gun-posts link after link after link, he still has to operate with a decent code of conduct. It doesn't matter if you are trolling or trying to get people agitated, you do not wish death upon other posters' families.

Bottom line, that's what he did - Spike wished those who didn't subscribe to his views have their elderly relatives infected.

That's not funny. It shouldn't ever be acceptable. None of you would sit well if I said "Hey, don't agree with me, I hope your son sucks a glock and dies."

Ban deserved.

Just because he entertains you doesn't justify him saying **** you and I wouldn't get away with. As Coolie said, none of us are above SN Law.
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I didn't read what he wrote, and I'm not defending him in any way, but could it have been dark veteran humor? We get pretty dark sometimes. i'll say something to a buddy of mine and my wife gets absolutely appalled and my buddy is pissing his pants in laughter. Just saying.
 
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