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I had the same thought.
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I had the same thought.
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I am so over this ****. There is so much misinformation out there, and just like everything else this country, it is hard to determine what the truth is. Why can't politicians and news media organizations put their differences aside for just a little while, tell us the truth about this stuff and work together to help those most in need through this? No, we have to have a power struggle in the middle of a world-wide pandemic, welfare of the represented citizens be damned. It's old and it has been old for a long time. This country is awesome, but it really does suck sometimes. God, this country needs a political enema.
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All I want to know is this. How in the hell did this virus, in a nation of 1.4 billion people (China), never make it to Beijing or Shanghai? I mean, this **** spread across the United States in absolutely no time, but China largely has remained unscathed. I know they aren't reporting facts and aren't sharing anything useful, but if the information they are sharing is even half true, it still doesn't make sense that the virus was contained in Wuhan and Wuhan only.
I could go on about a lot of things. So much of this reeks.
I could go on about a lot of things. So much of this reeks.
Germ warfare? Maybe they had an axe to grind over our trade policy. If anything, this shows we need to bring back all our manufacturing especially pharmaceutical.
We also need to be much more careful in our screenings of people and product into the country.
Unfortunately the lessons will fall on deaf ears in no time once we are a few months away from this. Then there will be another episode and we repeat it again.
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It's an attack. There's no other explanation. They somehow lock it down in wuhan after folks have been traveling all around that country? It would be either they pre vaccinated the other big cities or restricted travel.
The guys the FBI arrested over here carrying active virus samples of prior to all of this starting may be a clue. If i wanted to attack using a bio weapon I'd first make a vaccine. You know they would be willing to sacrfice some people without any issue. That's the commies for you
No matter what I can speculate. It just doesn't add up with the cases in wuhan, the death total and the lack of it spreading to any other part of china. But the rest of the world gets it,with NY getting a big dose.
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I guess it helps to be in on the ground floor planning.
Dr. Deborah Birx told reporters she's encouraged by declining virus numbers in Asia and Italy. I just spoke on the phone with a professor in China. He says it's not worth getting the COVID-19 epidemic now, because they're expecting the COVID-20 Pro to be released this September.
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Frankly, if you have a very skilled vetrinarian (I assume that the vet at such a major zoo would be top in his field), that says "Hey I think this is Corona," you damn well better find a test no matter how short we are. The fact that it could pass from humans to animals is critical information that had to be confirmed. Personally, I would be trying to figure out how to conduct a clinical trial right now with those animals to find out for sure whether it can pass back from animals to humans. The biggest issue with this disease is a lack of knowledge, the more we learn the fewer people die. What we need is data and we need it yesterday.
Someone on another board posted this yesterday lol. Covid morale patches.
last week a guy I went to grade school and high school with was rushed to the hospital. I don't know the exact circumstances of his illness. no one was allowed to go with him - just the paramedics on the ammalampse (Steeltime wasnt even allowed to chase it). He died that day - April 1. His sister posted the obit and said that due to the travel lock down she wasnt able to go to see him or family.
he died alone - no family or friends around during his last moments.
i didn't know him well - just one of those guys that you know who he is. They're still testing to see if he died from the rona, but havent said yet if the test resulted in being positive.
he died alone - no family or friends around during his last moments.
i didn't know him well - just one of those guys that you know who he is. They're still testing to see if he died from the rona, but havent said yet if the test resulted in being positive.
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Totally agree. Just want information, not this constant pissing match over whose fault it is or who’s handling it worse. All of our media needs an enema too.
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If you can find where the CDC, HHS, NIH or DHS were saying the same things Trump said in the second week of March, I’ll see your point.
Trump ****** up, so did DeBlasio. People accused San Francisco of extreme over-reaction when they were the first to go into lockdown, but check out their graph. They never saw a surge. They flattened the curve immediately. I’m certain the rest of the country would do the same if they could go back in time. Stop the denial, Tim.
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It's almost over, another month and you can go out again, but wear your mask
How is the poor guy supposed to eat with a mask on? Seems like a new diet craze ready to happen if you ask me.
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My wife is a physical therapist but she has been working at a screening station for two weeks. Scares the crap outta me. The stories of stupidity she encounters are depressing.
Here's what you need to know
Stay the **** home!
Hit, pass, hit, hit, pass.
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So you're saying Trump is ruining the economy for nothing?
That's a pretty bold statement, I'd be careful with that around here
well, Nancy has a solution for the upcoming POTUS election... mail-in ballots
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/cor...WZRFT9FdgOSbkulHx_smjbRnqQlYijr5jQ7MxILJFzDA4
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that America needs to move toward a “vote by mail” system to give citizens a safe way to elect their lawmakers while the coronavirus makes it dangerous to congregate.
“In terms of the elections, I think we’ll probably be moving to vote by mail,” Pelosi said in an interview on MSNBC. “That’s why we wanted to have more resources in this third bill that just was signed by the president, to get those resources to the states to facilitate the reality of life: that we are going to have to have more vote by mail.”
Her position is in direct conflict with that of President Donald Trump who on Monday warned that voting by mail would hurt the Republican Party.
Last Friday, Trump signed the third installment of the coronavirus relief package, a $2 trillion economic stimulus bill to help prop up the economy. The 880-page legislation offers relief to individuals, businesses and health facilities. It includes direct payments to individuals, stronger unemployment insurance, loans and grants to businesses, and more resources for hospitals, states and municipalities.
While $400 million in election assistance for states was included in the package, it was far less than Democrats’ original request. Pelosi is now angling to revisit election reform in a “phase 4” package that Congress is beginning to address.
Pelosi suggested that a vote-by-mail system would not damage “the integrity of the election system.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/cor...WZRFT9FdgOSbkulHx_smjbRnqQlYijr5jQ7MxILJFzDA4
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that America needs to move toward a “vote by mail” system to give citizens a safe way to elect their lawmakers while the coronavirus makes it dangerous to congregate.
“In terms of the elections, I think we’ll probably be moving to vote by mail,” Pelosi said in an interview on MSNBC. “That’s why we wanted to have more resources in this third bill that just was signed by the president, to get those resources to the states to facilitate the reality of life: that we are going to have to have more vote by mail.”
Her position is in direct conflict with that of President Donald Trump who on Monday warned that voting by mail would hurt the Republican Party.
Last Friday, Trump signed the third installment of the coronavirus relief package, a $2 trillion economic stimulus bill to help prop up the economy. The 880-page legislation offers relief to individuals, businesses and health facilities. It includes direct payments to individuals, stronger unemployment insurance, loans and grants to businesses, and more resources for hospitals, states and municipalities.
While $400 million in election assistance for states was included in the package, it was far less than Democrats’ original request. Pelosi is now angling to revisit election reform in a “phase 4” package that Congress is beginning to address.
Pelosi suggested that a vote-by-mail system would not damage “the integrity of the election system.”
when you start saying that a city which allows people to openly **** in the streets should be a gold standard on anything, you should reconsider your stance.
https://missionlocal.org/2020/04/co...omits-the-health-data-youd-most-want-to-know/
COVID-19: San Francisco omits the health data you’d most want to know
By Joe Eskenazi | Apr 3, 2020
Every morning at 9 a.m., the San Francisco Department of Public Health updates the confirmed number of COVID-19 cases in our city, and the confirmed number of deaths.
And that’s all. These two statistics, which could be shouted out a window, are the extent of the data publicly disclosed and readily available on the city’s website.
The Bay Area region has won praise for its proactive steps to shelter-in-place and take seriously the world-altering potential of the COVID-19 pandemic. Six counties jointly issued sweeping health orders days and weeks before other municipalities and states. Thousands of lives may have been saved by this forward-thinking action.
But with the data San Francisco publicly discloses, no one can truly know if these measures are working. Are we winning the war? Are we flattening the curve? It’s impossible to say with the numbers on hand; San Francisco omits the data you’d most want to know.
In this we are something of an outlier. While the shelter-in-place order carries collectively across multiple Bay Area counties, the individual counties have taken a balkanized approach to data reporting. As such, Solano, Sonoma and Santa Clara Counties in particular report far, far more information than does San Francisco — including key measures such as hospitalization rates, hospital capacity, COVID-19 tests administered, and many other vital data points.
“To have meaningful data, we need to know how many people are infected, how many are ill, how many are so ill they must be hospitalized, and how many of those people require ICU care,” says Dr. John Swartzberg, a clinical professor emeritus at UC Berkeley and UCSF specializing in infectious diseases.
San Francisco discloses few of those measures — and listing the number of confirmed cases in this or any city is only so useful, considering the ongoing national fiasco regarding spotty testing.
“We have a poor idea of how many are infected because we are not doing sufficient testing,” Swartzberg continues. “We have no idea how many people are ill but not hospitalized with SARS-CoV-2.”
Health policies aren’t Peter Khoury’s stock in trade. But good data is. The Mission District data scientist has applied his expertise to crunching every number being reported by each Bay Area county.
In San Francisco, that’s not really possible. There’s simply not enough data being disclosed to come up with any meaningful analysis. “You cannot know how San Francisco is doing,” he says. “And there are vulnerable populations.”
Anticipated outbreaks at Laguna Honda Hospital and among the city’s homeless population will likely soon drive our number higher — and, with the meager data this county reports, it’s hard to gauge if or when we’ll outstrip the capacity of our health system.
Khoury critiqued the data presentations from each Bay Area county — an independent and parallel write-up to one published by Berkeleyside.
Khoury (and Berkeleyside) rank San Francisco toward the bottom of the barrel.
Parsing Santa Clara’s publicly available data, for example, Khoury created a chart revealing scary, exponential growth in the number of people hospitalized for COVID-19. Considering the haphazard and patchwork testing practices, hospitalizations are a far more definitive tally, he says.
Santa Clara discloses this data. And since it also discloses its hospital capacity (and ICU capacity), Khoury could plot the day the county’s sick patients would figure to overwhelm its ability to care for them.
While on a Thursday phone call with Mission Local, Khoury bemoaned that Santa Clara had, inexplicably, recently ceased listing hospitalization totals.
In fact, the news site San Jose Inside last week reported on the abrupt disappearance of this vital data — and it has since reappeared. Informed of this, Khoury quickly checked Santa Clara’s webpage and gave a shout of joy. “This is good! This is awesome!”
Based on a graph he produced last week — and barring intervention — Santa Clara County should’ve had some 353 people hospitalized by by now. But the present Santa Clara numbers show 245 — a sizable deviation downward off the projected curve and an indication that shelter-in-place measures are working.
“They have put off their surge. It’s still up — but we are losing by less,” Khoury says. “The flattening is working. Getting this information consistently, across the Bay Area, is incredibly important.”
In Solano County, Khoury continues, not only is all this data presented, so are case-by-case breakdowns by age. That way, we know that roughly half of people over age 65 diagnosed with COVID-19 have been hospitalized — but only one-fifth of those in the younger age group. This data is evolving and allows people to personally grasp what this pandemic means for them, their children, or their parents.
Mission Local’s messages to the San Francisco Department of Public Health about the data it chooses to disclose — and not disclose — have not been returned. But a source familiar with the department and its practices and protocols tells us that “the DPH 100 percent has this data; they’re looking at it every day, they have it organized in spreadsheets, they can not not have been doing that.”
So why sit on the data? Our inside source speculated it might simply be because “they don’t value putting it out.” They also fell upon an explanation other experts in the field came to: If the curve is flattening, even a little, there’s a fear that positive news will lead to complacency.
“I think public health officials in California want to make sure people keep their heads down and continue following all these social distancing measures,” said Dr. Jake Scott, an infectious disease physician and assistant clinical professor at Stanford University’s School of Medicine.
“I get a sense that public health officials don’t want to give too much in the way of good news. They don’t want people slacking off.”
That’s one way of looking at things. But failure to disclose pertinent data also breeds distrust. It also may harm coordinated efforts. To wit, San Francisco General Hospital and UC San Francisco have made efforts at transparency by disclosing patients in ICUs and other pertinent information — while California Pacific Medical Centers refuse to disclose totals of COVID-19 patients, patients in ICUs, or patients on ventilators.
“Out of respect for patient and employee privacy we are not able to disclose the number of positive COVID-19 patients in our facilities or under our care,” a spokeswoman e-mailed us. “Even in times of emergency HIPAA still applies and it is our duty to protect patient, staff and clinician privacy.”
Considering San Francisco General and UCSF’s positions, this is confounding. And, possibly, detrimental to coordinated efforts.
“Making data inconsistent hampers an understanding,” Khoury says. “Having consistent information across our region matters; that was one of the lessons from Italy, too.”
To be useful, Khoury says, county health departments should be disclosing the following: COVID-19 hospitalizations; available hospital beds; available ICU beds; total number of tests conducted (including multiple tests on individuals); total number of test conducted on unique individuals; and total number of tests that were positive for COVID-19.
“Without good data,” adds Swartzberg, “you can imagine how difficult it is to formulate solid health policies.”
that is not what I stated.
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Well we're obviously not at the peak of this yet, it's not going to be magically over by Easter.
Surgeon General Adams:... "Next Week Will Be Our ’Pearl Harbor and 9/11 Moments"
"The next week is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment. It’s going to be our 9/11 moment. It’s going to be the hardest moment for many Americans in their entire lives, and we really need to understand that if we want to flatten that curve and get through to the other side, everyone needs to do their part.”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...ek-will-be-our-pearl-harbor-and-9-11-moments/
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Donald Trump Predicts ‘Horrendous’ Coronavirus Deaths in Coming Days
“We are really coming up onto a time that’s going to be horrendous,” Trump said.
He noted that the United States had not experienced a situation like a coronavirus crisis before.
“We’re getting to that point where it’s going to really be … some very bad numbers,” Trump said.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...horrendous-coronavirus-deaths-in-coming-days/
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Like I said, give it another month to shake out, see where we are then
Surgeon General Adams:... "Next Week Will Be Our ’Pearl Harbor and 9/11 Moments"
"The next week is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment. It’s going to be our 9/11 moment. It’s going to be the hardest moment for many Americans in their entire lives, and we really need to understand that if we want to flatten that curve and get through to the other side, everyone needs to do their part.”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...ek-will-be-our-pearl-harbor-and-9-11-moments/
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Donald Trump Predicts ‘Horrendous’ Coronavirus Deaths in Coming Days
“We are really coming up onto a time that’s going to be horrendous,” Trump said.
He noted that the United States had not experienced a situation like a coronavirus crisis before.
“We’re getting to that point where it’s going to really be … some very bad numbers,” Trump said.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...horrendous-coronavirus-deaths-in-coming-days/
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Like I said, give it another month to shake out, see where we are then
The county I live in (Josephine) will only list how many cases are confirmed to have the virus and how many were tested. They won't say who, what, why or how. I'd like to have a little more information. I don't need to know their names but would like to see if we have shared the same businesses i.e. market, pet store or pharmacy,
or hooker