The Coronavirus thread

[Steeler Pride]

its currently illegal to foreclose on property unless it was vacant prior to the Rona or is just land. This is in effect for approximately another 30 days, and may even be extended.

what you'll see in restaurants is doors closing as they sell their last bit of food. Instead of ordering more from vendors/suppliers as stock gets low, places will just close. I can't imagine that any restaurant is thriving in this state of the economy, I saw this just this week at the pizza place around the corner from my house. They make/made great pizza. Sales dropped and this week they don't even have their "OPEN" light flashing - despite going to takeout only.

say this **** is lifted Friday - all these places which have closed will need to be cleaned and sterilized. How's that going to be done? Just walk in with a few cans of Lysol and wipe down door handles with bleach wipes? It's going to take a lot longer. HVAC will need to be cleaned, all surfaces sterilized, etc so on and so forth. I have a feeling that we've not even seen the tip of the iceberg to how this is going to effect our economy.

btw - wasnt singling you out, just correcting the foreclosure misconception.

The moratorium on foreclosures and evictions may extend for 6 months, but the money that is due is not being forgiven. Unless the Government is going to step in and pay off the outstanding balances for individuals or finance companies that are still owed that money. Like a buddy of mine that is a financial planner said last night, just because they can't foreclose doesn't mean they don't expect their payment and won't eventually foreclose or evict if not. I read online a few days ago that one mortgage servicing agency is granting 3-4 month grace periods but placing a balloon payment equal to those 3-4 months due at the end of the time period. That is the long term side effects to this shut down.

 

[Omar10213245]

At the end of the day, Bernie and his socialist buddies won without firing a shot.

This voluntary shutdown will most likely force the U.S. to adopt many many more socialist programs and systems. The simple truth is, the sheer number of people going on unemployment right now will completely break the system. And that's BEFORE they decided to give everyone an EXTRA $1200 or whatever. The country simply cannot pay it. That means more taxes. There just isn't any other option.

I talked with a financial advisor just last year and he said Social Security (was) absolutely safe for at least the next 35 to 40 years. He said after that, you probably shouldn't assume there will be anything left. Well, with THIS **** storm, everyone currently receiving Soc. Security benefits are in near-future danger of having all their benefits cut off. The government will simply have no choice but to stop funding and supporting the program.

While everyone who's been counting at least to some degree on social security feels like that's a **** deal (and it is), they are in no worse boat than the masses of people who invested for their retirement and now have watched all that investment disappear.

Ah! you say, but guys like Spike took their money out and they're sitting on a pretty little nest egg...

I return you, respectfully to Post WWII Germany. Inflation rose to such levels that money was virtually worthless. Feel good about that 150k your sitting on. In a year or two it may be worth 1k.

Nope. The country has fallen. Now is a GREAT time to start thinking about what kind of country we want to be as I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see some significant revolutionary type behavior starting up in the next 12 to 18 months. You can't take an entire countries entire retirement, rip it up and throw it on a fire and then ask them to sit by docile as their politicians continue to live wealthy lives and give themselves raises. Something will give.

lmao good Lord, Wig, settle the **** down, dude. grab a beer and a deep breath, we'll be okay.

 

[Omar10213245]

At the end of the day, Bernie and his socialist buddies won without firing a shot.

This voluntary shutdown will most likely force the U.S. to adopt many many more socialist programs and systems. The simple truth is, the sheer number of people going on unemployment right now will completely break the system. And that's BEFORE they decided to give everyone an EXTRA $1200 or whatever. The country simply cannot pay it. That means more taxes. There just isn't any other option.

I talked with a financial advisor just last year and he said Social Security (was) absolutely safe for at least the next 35 to 40 years. He said after that, you probably shouldn't assume there will be anything left. Well, with THIS **** storm, everyone currently receiving Soc. Security benefits are in near-future danger of having all their benefits cut off. The government will simply have no choice but to stop funding and supporting the program.

While everyone who's been counting at least to some degree on social security feels like that's a **** deal (and it is), they are in no worse boat than the masses of people who invested for their retirement and now have watched all that investment disappear.

Ah! you say, but guys like Spike took their money out and they're sitting on a pretty little nest egg...

I return you, respectfully to Post WWII Germany. Inflation rose to such levels that money was virtually worthless. Feel good about that 150k your sitting on. In a year or two it may be worth 1k.

Nope. The country has fallen. Now is a GREAT time to start thinking about what kind of country we want to be as I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see some significant revolutionary type behavior starting up in the next 12 to 18 months. You can't take an entire countries entire retirement, rip it up and throw it on a fire and then ask them to sit by docile as their politicians continue to live wealthy lives and give themselves raises. Something will give.

lmao good Lord, Wig, settle the **** down, dude. grab a beer and a deep breath, we'll be okay.

 

[Steeler Pride]

The answer has been given over and over again and you choose to ignore it.


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That works both ways.

 

[wig]

Omar, double-liked for a double-post!

(That was my first cut at an audition segment for the All New SPIKE NEWS NETWORK!)

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Steeltime]

Look, I'm just as sick of this bullshit as the next person. Before this mess, my least favorite word used in a conversation was "like". Now, it's "social distance". Come May 1st, this had better be over or I'll be jacking people's jaws for uttering those words. But we have to admit that if Trump and the Governors had not put these restrictions in place, it would be a nightmare scenario, far worse that a TP shortage and crippled economy.

Very possible, Badcat. A run on hospitals, overwhelming the staff and killing our doctors and nurses, would be devastating.

But California has 40 million people, including a massive Chinese population in San Francisco (Chinatown, been there a dozen times), massive Asian population in Los Angeles (guess what ... Chinatown, Koreatown, been there dozens of times), and has so far had 374 deaths. 374. Nitwits are saying, "Because of the early lockdown!"

Bullshit. California instituted "recommended" (not mandatory) social distancing - except for a dozen ******* things like going to the grocery store, getting gas, going to the doctor, no limit for police, fire, medical personnel, and on and on - in the Bay Area on March 5, 2020, more widespread "recommended" social distancing on March 10, 2020, and mandatory social distancing on March 20, 2020.

https://www.latimes.com/california/...ewsom-orders-all-californians-to-stay-at-home

New York implemented mandatory social distancing on March 22, 2020.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/new...n-essential-businesses-to-work-from-home.html

Does any human being actually believe that California has a tiny sliver of a fraction of the deaths as New York because of a 2-day difference in social distancing order, where dozens (indeed hundreds) of exceptions exist?? Really? Of course not. So what is really going on? The short answer is that California likely had much, much earlier exposure to the virus, given its proximity to China, Japan and South Korea, and its population simply developed "herd immunity."

Stanford Medicine researchers are testing people to find out how many Californians have coronavirus, media outlets reported. The new study has included testing 3,200 people at San Francisco Bay Area sites on April 4 using an antibody test, according to KSBW.

Researchers believe COVID-19 first appeared in fall 2019 in California — accounting for the state’s lower confirmed cases.

As of April 6, California has 374 deaths due to coronavirus. Despite having half the population of California, New York has nearly 5,000 coronavirus deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

The study will account for the people who were infected but didn’t show symptoms or weren’t severely sick, according to The Mercury News. The test will show if they have antibodies and will be immune to the virus, the outlet reported.

Herd immunity is when enough of a population becomes immune to a disease through vaccine or already getting sick to make the spread unlikely between people in the community, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Herd immunity also protects newborns and people who can’t be vaccinated because it helps decrease person-to-person spread, the CDC said.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241855856.html#storylink=cpy

So being exposed to the virus much earlier, without social distancing, builds up an immune population, incapable of spreading the disease to the at-risk population. That explanation fits with the facts. The "oh, those two days matter so ******* much" does not ... particularly where epidemiologists have been warning for weeks that the 6 foot distancing every affected state has implemented is "not nearly enough."

6 feet of social distancing not nearly enough: CDC’s recommendation driving some experts ‘nuts’

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...recommendation-driving-some-experts-nuts.html

So what we know. Six feet of social distancing is not nearly enough; every location that imposed social distancing recommended six feet; despite the claimed social distancing, millions upon millions of Americans - hundreds of millions in fact - continued to go to the grocery stores and use those ever-sanitary keypads for the ATM card; California imposed mandatory social distancing March 20, 2020 and has suffered 374 deaths; New York instituted mandatory social distancing March 22, 2020 and has suffered more than 6,000 deaths; the only logical difference between the two is the fact that the virus hit California much earlier, and the population developed herd immunity.

The same thing that would have happened nationwide without the panic.

But hey, panic hurts Trump, so lets all panic.

 

[Steeltime]

Zinc literally blocks the RNA reproduction from this type of virus in cells, it’s why it was an early target for treatment abroad and why it was hyped long before Trump got on board with it...

That is an awesome fact and one I completely forgot. For at least the past 12 years, when I have a cold (infrequent), a virus, I have taken a product called "Zicam," which uses Zinc to kill the virus. It is AMAZINGLY effective. I take Zicam, go on the treadmill for 45 minutes, and the cold is GONE.

 

[Troglodyte]

That is just not true.

1. You're assuming flattening the curve helped New York. The only way it did is if the numbers of infections, deaths, hospitalizations predicted were accurate. The predictions WEREN'T accurate and the models were wrong. The models accounted for social distancing. Therefore, anyone claiming social distancing lowered the numbers is patently wrong. The only way you'll ever know is if the original models were accurate and then we came in lower.

Oh STOP! None of that disproves social distancing. You might as well argue that urban areas (where people are in close proximity to others) being severely impacted is purely coincidental. Understanding how social distancing works should be common sense. The fact that it really sucks on many levels is irrelevant to whether it works or not.

 

[Steeltime]

Oh STOP! None of that disproves social distancing. You might as well argue that urban areas (where people are in close proximity to others) being the severely impacted is purely coincidental. Understanding how social distancing works should be common sense. The fact that it really sucks on many levels is irrelevant to whether it works or not.

So explain Los Angeles. And San Francisco. And Sacramento. And San Jose. And San Diego.

All of which have large urban populations, densely populated areas, a combined population in excess of 14 million in the greater urban areas, tremendous Asian populations (travel to and from Asia so **** off with claims of "RACIST!!"), and all of which are thousands of miles closer to China, Japan and South Korea.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

 

[SteelChip]

That is an awesome fact and one I completely forgot. For at least the past 12 years, when I have a cold (infrequent), a virus, I have taken a product called "Zicam," which uses Zinc to kill the virus. It is AMAZINGLY effective. I take Zicam, go on the treadmill for 45 minutes, and the cold is GONE.

Yep, I found that Zi-cam...the nose swabs...work especially well for me when I swab at the first sign I have of an oncoming cold. The earlier the better.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

So explain Los Angeles. And San Francisco. And Sacramento. And San Jose. And San Diego.

All of which have large urban populations, densely populated areas, a combined population in excess of 14 million in the greater urban areas, tremendous Asian populations (travel to and from Asia so **** off with claims of "RACIST!!"), and all of which are thousands of miles closer to China, Japan and South Korea.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

De Blasio is an idiot. He ****** New York. Those other cities squashed it with much stricter measures.


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[IndySteel]

So explain Los Angeles. And San Francisco. And Sacramento. And San Jose. And San Diego.

Are the bums still there? Maybe mef is a cure...

 

[Booted]

Covid19 has tested positive for Chuck Norris.

 

[Steelin]

This source explains a lot. Not sure of the accuracy

http://web.archive.org/web/20200405...ht-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Oh STOP! None of that disproves social distancing. You might as well argue that urban areas (where people are in close proximity to others) being severely impacted is purely coincidental. Understanding how social distancing works should be common sense. The fact that it really sucks on many levels is irrelevant to whether it works or not.

Steeltime already dropped the bigger hammer. I'll drop a different one.

Go back to the logic. We know the doom and gloom models INCLUDED assumptions for social distancing.

Use a hypothesis. Say a model says "With social distancing measures in place, we expect to see 140,000 deaths, 600,000 hospitalizations and x, y and z."

Then the virus hits. And we see the actual numbers are expecting 60,000 deaths, 300,000 hospitalizations and x, y and z."

The numbers dropped. And we social distanced.

One cannot say "See social distancing worked and lowered the numbers!"

BECAUSE THE MODELS ALREADY FACTORED THAT IN.

You cannot use a model that includes assumptions, have the model come in drastically lower than it predicted, then say because of the assumptions that were baked in, see it worked!

Good lord.

 

[Steeler Pride]

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

So, why did John Hopkins tracker (that the gov. references for their counts) all of a sudden remove 60k confirmed cases. We were at 420k this morning and all of a sudden we are now back down to 363k. But the death rate jumped up by 2500.

 

[Steeltime]

De Blasio is an idiot. He ****** New York. Those other cities squashed it with much stricter measures.

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But that is just not true. California imposed restrictions on being in public - except, you know, going to the grocery store, where viruses cannot possibly survive - on March 20, 2020. New York did so on March 22, 2020.

Two days in late March explains the difference? Yeah, no.

 

[wig]

SuperSteeler, regarding one of your expressed sentiments...

people that are going crazy because they own a business and are in danger of losing it, I totally understand the anger.

If you have never started your own business, gone through the horrible personal investment in time, money and relationship that it takes to get that business up and running, much less keep it afloat, I respectfully suggest you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't mean that in a cruel way. I merely point out that a great number of people are losing their entire lives. Because the government said they had to. Ya. They're angry.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

But that is just not true. California imposed restrictions on being in public - except, you know, going to the grocery store, where viruses cannot possibly survive - on March 20, 2020. New York did so on March 22, 2020.

Two days in late March explains the difference? Yeah, no.

Not two days, Strength of the measures and compliance. De Blasio was slow to enact his and they had much higher exposure earlier so the calendar dates don't really mean squat. From the time of infection the strength of those measure were very different as is compliance.

 

[wig]

And regarding all the ****-fighting over the efficacy of social distancing - there is simply NO WAY to determine one way or another how much social distancing helped, or didn't help.

What you can do, is at the end of all this, look back and decide if the vast amount of lives that were destroyed, businesses lost, economy flushed was worth the loss of life.

I suspect the wealthy democratic politicians will most decidedly feel it WAS! Indeed, I imagine they'll be so pleased with their performance they'll vote themselves another raise.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Steeltime already dropped the bigger hammer. I'll drop a different one.

Go back to the logic. We know the doom and gloom models INCLUDED assumptions for social distancing.

Use a hypothesis. Say a model says "With social distancing measures in place, we expect to see 140,000 deaths, 600,000 hospitalizations and x, y and z."

Then the virus hits. And we see the actual numbers are expecting 60,000 deaths, 300,000 hospitalizations and x, y and z."

The numbers dropped. And we social distanced.

One cannot say "See social distancing worked and lowered the numbers!"

BECAUSE THE MODELS ALREADY FACTORED THAT IN.

You cannot use a model that includes assumptions, have the model come in drastically lower than it predicted, then say because of the assumptions that were baked in, see it worked!

Good lord.

Look up Mike Dewines daily update for today. He deals with this very point. The models tried to account for it but just like global warming models they miss variables.

 

[Steeltime]

Further palpable evidence - not that any is needed but whatever - that the mainstream media are outright lying to try and use the virus issue to harm Trump.

This isn't fake news. It's news that never existed.

ABC News breathlessly reported yesterday on what they claim was an intelligence report last November about a severe outbreak of an unknown virus in China that could become a crisis in the U.S.

As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.

Concerns about what is now known to be the novel coronavirus pandemic were detailed in a November intelligence report by the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), according to two officials familiar with the document’s contents.

Of course, Trump reads every scrap of paper from every single U.S. intelligence agency -- even extraordinary obscure ones like the NCMI -- and should have known that the U.S. was going to be in crisis four months later.

Except that scrap of paper doesn't exist.

Fox News:

Col. R. Shane Day, the director of the NCMI, a component of the Defense Intelligence Agency, refuted the ABC News report in a statement.

"As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters," he said. "However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists."

ABC went even further, claiming Trump had been briefed on the intel report.

"Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," one of the sources said of the NCMI’s report. "It was then briefed multiple times to" the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s Joint Staff and the White House. Wednesday night, the Pentagon issued a statement denying the "product/assessment" existed.

The network downplayed the denial by claiming "the Pentagon" said the product didn't exist. In fact, it was the director of the intelligence agency that supposedly generated the report in the first place who denied the document existed. And unlike the ABC sources, he was identified.

The first known case of the coronavirus was in Hubei Province of China on November 17 of last year. The idea that there were signs of pandemic as early as November is silly. The first patients didn't even show symptoms of the disease until early December, when the first patient was hospitalized.

What we have here is some major league butt-covering by intelligence officials. One report generated by an obscure intelligence agency is blown up into "alarm bells went off" and dire warning of catastrophe. How many similar reports are generated every year? We don't hear about the reports that were wrong.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/defens...outbreak-in-china-last-november-doesnt-exist/

Lying liars lying about their lies. Because Trump.

 

[Supersteeler]

Those are all very lofty words and rather selfish as well.

Have you ever been hungry? As in you can't pay for your next meal hungry? Been evicted? Had a car repossessed? Have children while this is happening? Have a sick child and you no longer have health care because you lost your job? Ever owned a business you put your life savings into only to have the Government shut it down and now it's gone and everything you had is gone too?

No ******* **** Tim! If you would have actually read my post instead of reacting emotionally you would have seen that I clearly pointed out that I fully understand people who aren't working, need money or have a business have every right to be pissed and I would be too in their situation. Either your reading comprehension is for **** or you can't tone down your emotions on the subject enough to use your comprehension skills.

My biggest pet peeve about Covid 19? People emotionally overreacting to every ******* thing someone says. Everyone whose livelihood is not currently being threatened by this needs to chill the **** out, sit at ******* home another two weeks and get back on their feet the best they can. Period.

 

[Steeltime]

Not two days, Strength of the measures and compliance. De Blasio was slow to enact his and they had much higher exposure earlier so the calendar dates don't really mean squat. From the time of infection the strength of those measure were very different as is compliance.

But you are simply wrong here. California and New York had identical contact and interaction restrictions just two days apart. San Francisco and Los Angeles have huge contact with Asia. The ******* port of Los Angeles and LAX are the two points of contact for deliveries from China, travelers from China in the United States, tourists from China to the US, etc.

So simply repeating, "Oh, California had more stringent contact restrictions and enforced them more vigorously" sounds good in theory but is simply NOT TRUE. I provided links to the measures implemented and when. Some other explanation is needed, and that explanation is that "herd immunity" took place in California beginning in November, when the virus appeared, through late January. Herd immunity is a very well-known and documented phenomenon and explains California's miniscule mortality rate. Seriously, 374 out of 40 million?? Because of "social distancing" enacted nearly four months after the virus arose and more than three months after California experienced its first fatality from the virus?

Nope.