Talked with my younger sister yesterday, a bleeding heart liberal in the South Hills. She has no idea when PA will get the vaccine.
I held back my opinions and sympathized with her, because I love my little sister.
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Talked with my younger sister yesterday, a bleeding heart liberal in the South Hills. She has no idea when PA will get the vaccine.
I held back my opinions and sympathized with her, because I love my little sister.
curves i'd like to smash... i mean, flatten
I miss Club Buff.
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Thanks Supe. I needed that. 
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I got my second shot yesterday. I felt the same as after first, but this one hit me quicker. First one took till mid after noon to kick in the following day, this one I felt like crap when i woke up. I had a temp around 100, tired, achy, and that was about it. Im in PA so that vaccine is here. CVS is going around to the nursing homes, but not sure of the plan for others.
https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...undercounted-n-y-covid-19-nursing-home-deaths
Investigation: Cuomo Team Undercounted N.Y. COVID-19 Nursing Home Deaths
January 28, 20214:09 PM ET
When the first coronavirus wave hit New York state last spring, nursing homes and assisted living facilities were devastated.
An investigation by the office of state Attorney General Letitia James issued Thursday found the death toll was far worse than officials disclosed.
"A larger number of nursing home residents died from COVID-19 than [New York Department of Health] data reflected," the preliminary report concluded.
N.Y. officials had estimated nursing home deaths during the pandemic totaled roughly 8,700.
But the probe by James' office found those reports "undercounted by as much as 50%" the number of seniors who died.
Investigators surveyed more than 60 nursing homes and found discrepancies between the number of deaths recorded and numbers previously reported by state officials.
The AG's office says it is still "investigating those circumstances where the discrepancies cannot reasonably be accounted for," according to a statement in the report.
Cuomo himself hasn't responded to the report. But state Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker issued a lengthy statement Thursday afternoon downplaying the significance of the findings.
Zucker said N.Y. reported coronavirus fatalities by the location where they occurred. Which means if an elderly patient died after being transported to a hospital, they wouldn't be included in the tally of nursing home deaths.
"DOH does not disagree that the number of people transferred from a nursing home to a hospital is an important data point, and is in the midst of auditing this data from nursing homes," Zucker added.
During the pandemic, Cuomo, a Democrat, gained a national profile for his hands-on approach to promoting public health policies and reducing infection rates.
For a time, his daily briefings drew a national audience, serving as a kind of counterpoint to coronavirus briefings held by then-President Donald Trump.
But questions about Cuomo's handling of nursing home safety have haunted his administration.
Cuomo has drawn particular fire for an executive order issued in March requiring nursing homes to re-admit residents still recovering from COVID-19.
His administration later rescinded the controversial order.
Last summer, a report by state health officials concluded high rates of coronavirus death in nursing homes were caused by infected staff, not returning residents.
But Cuomo's team has refused to make public the data used to compile that report.
Earlier this week, a top Democrat in the state legislature, Sen. James Skoufis, threatened to file subpoenas to "compel" Health Department officials to release more information.
This new report adds to the pressure on Cuomo's team to offer a full accounting of nursing home mortality.
In a statement, James, also a Democrat, said "it is imperative that we understand why the residents of nursing homes in New York unnecessarily suffered at such an alarming rate."
While much of the scrutiny of Cuomo's nursing home policy has come from fellow Democrats and the media, the issue has increasingly become a political liability for the governor.
Shortly after James' report was made public, New York's Republican Party issued a statement condemning Cuomo's handling of the pandemic and accusing him of a "cover-up."
"These findings will have implications across New York state and they cannot be dismissed as political attacks," the statement read.
James' report also found many nursing homes in New York failed to comply with infection control protocols and lacked sufficient personal protective equipment needed to keep residents safe.
Investigation: Cuomo Team Undercounted N.Y. COVID-19 Nursing Home Deaths
January 28, 20214:09 PM ET
When the first coronavirus wave hit New York state last spring, nursing homes and assisted living facilities were devastated.
An investigation by the office of state Attorney General Letitia James issued Thursday found the death toll was far worse than officials disclosed.
"A larger number of nursing home residents died from COVID-19 than [New York Department of Health] data reflected," the preliminary report concluded.
N.Y. officials had estimated nursing home deaths during the pandemic totaled roughly 8,700.
But the probe by James' office found those reports "undercounted by as much as 50%" the number of seniors who died.
Investigators surveyed more than 60 nursing homes and found discrepancies between the number of deaths recorded and numbers previously reported by state officials.
The AG's office says it is still "investigating those circumstances where the discrepancies cannot reasonably be accounted for," according to a statement in the report.
Cuomo himself hasn't responded to the report. But state Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker issued a lengthy statement Thursday afternoon downplaying the significance of the findings.
Zucker said N.Y. reported coronavirus fatalities by the location where they occurred. Which means if an elderly patient died after being transported to a hospital, they wouldn't be included in the tally of nursing home deaths.
"DOH does not disagree that the number of people transferred from a nursing home to a hospital is an important data point, and is in the midst of auditing this data from nursing homes," Zucker added.
During the pandemic, Cuomo, a Democrat, gained a national profile for his hands-on approach to promoting public health policies and reducing infection rates.
For a time, his daily briefings drew a national audience, serving as a kind of counterpoint to coronavirus briefings held by then-President Donald Trump.
But questions about Cuomo's handling of nursing home safety have haunted his administration.
Cuomo has drawn particular fire for an executive order issued in March requiring nursing homes to re-admit residents still recovering from COVID-19.
His administration later rescinded the controversial order.
Last summer, a report by state health officials concluded high rates of coronavirus death in nursing homes were caused by infected staff, not returning residents.
But Cuomo's team has refused to make public the data used to compile that report.
Earlier this week, a top Democrat in the state legislature, Sen. James Skoufis, threatened to file subpoenas to "compel" Health Department officials to release more information.
This new report adds to the pressure on Cuomo's team to offer a full accounting of nursing home mortality.
In a statement, James, also a Democrat, said "it is imperative that we understand why the residents of nursing homes in New York unnecessarily suffered at such an alarming rate."
While much of the scrutiny of Cuomo's nursing home policy has come from fellow Democrats and the media, the issue has increasingly become a political liability for the governor.
Shortly after James' report was made public, New York's Republican Party issued a statement condemning Cuomo's handling of the pandemic and accusing him of a "cover-up."
"These findings will have implications across New York state and they cannot be dismissed as political attacks," the statement read.
James' report also found many nursing homes in New York failed to comply with infection control protocols and lacked sufficient personal protective equipment needed to keep residents safe.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-66-effective-global-trial
So the CDC would celebrate a "vaccine" with an average of 66% efficacy. You know since "Any vaccine is better than no vaccine." You can't make this stuff up.
So the CDC would celebrate a "vaccine" with an average of 66% efficacy. You know since "Any vaccine is better than no vaccine." You can't make this stuff up.
In his case, I don't think he is smart enough to perpetrate institutional murder, negligent homicide is more up his alley.
npr is saying that, Ogre
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anything over 40% is supposed to be effective, is my understanding
Well, given the fact that you have a survival rate of over 99%, I guess the efficacy is all relative.
I am not a Dr. and did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but it would seem to me, if Fauci is correct
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That is actually a decent efficacy rate for a vaccine.
If you delve a little deeper you'll see that while it was only 66% effective at preventing illness, it was 100% effective in preventing hospitalization and death. It also has the advantage of not having to be stored at sub freezing temperatures and only requiring 1 shot. So will be much faster, easier and cheaper to ship and administer. And also zero anaphylactic reactions.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/29/covid-vaccine-johnson-and-johnson/
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You do realize that by suggesting we wear not one, but two masks, they are simultaneously admitting that wearing masks isn't working?
Red-State Governors Lead COVID Recovery After Blue-State Tyrants Tanked The Economy
States helmed by Republican governors are leading the nation’s recovery from the lockdown-driven recession that is strongest in blue states led by Democrats, who imposed the strictest pandemic restrictions that suffocated small businesses and eroded jobs.
The two charts below from the conservative Committee to Unleash Prosperity illustrate state unemployment rates, color-coded by party control. The correlation is clear: States dominated by Republicans led with the lowest unemployment rates, while states governed by Democrats suffered the most.
In the second graph, it seems that “Republican trifecta” states had better outcomes than all the other electoral combinations. While some Republican governors have been noted for their extraordinary leadership in allowing their citizens to keep working and going to school in the face of a disease that is most dangerous to the very elderly, others have dictated crushing pandemic policies little different from their blue-state counterparts.
California, ruled by Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, who locked his state down into oblivion while blowing off his own rules, has run the West Coast paradise into 9 percent unemployment, the third-highest in the country. Meanwhile, California’s kingmakers are fleeing in droves for red states that foster friendlier business climates, such as Arizona, Texas, and Florida.
New York, on the other hand, is not far ahead of California’s unemployment rate. There, Emperor Andrew Cuomo has run the state to 8.2 percent unemployment. Thanks to Cuomo, together with Democratic New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, residents are fleeing just as they did in California, taking many jobs and taxpayer dollars with them.
In contrast, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has been vilified to no end by the corporate media for remaining light on lockdowns, has lead the Sunshine State to just more than 6 percent unemployment, below the national rate of 6.7 percent, while welcoming blue state migrants. Comparing the end result shows that Florida, despite lifting lockdowns early and remaining open, has fared far better than New York. Florida has seen 1,203 deaths per million as compared to the Empire State’s 2,207 per million.
South Dakota, meanwhile, governed by Republican Kristi Noem, who never implemented a statewide stay-home order, enjoys just 3 percent unemployment.
States helmed by Republican governors are leading the nation’s recovery from the lockdown-driven recession that is strongest in blue states led by Democrats, who imposed the strictest pandemic restrictions that suffocated small businesses and eroded jobs.
The two charts below from the conservative Committee to Unleash Prosperity illustrate state unemployment rates, color-coded by party control. The correlation is clear: States dominated by Republicans led with the lowest unemployment rates, while states governed by Democrats suffered the most.
In the second graph, it seems that “Republican trifecta” states had better outcomes than all the other electoral combinations. While some Republican governors have been noted for their extraordinary leadership in allowing their citizens to keep working and going to school in the face of a disease that is most dangerous to the very elderly, others have dictated crushing pandemic policies little different from their blue-state counterparts.
California, ruled by Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, who locked his state down into oblivion while blowing off his own rules, has run the West Coast paradise into 9 percent unemployment, the third-highest in the country. Meanwhile, California’s kingmakers are fleeing in droves for red states that foster friendlier business climates, such as Arizona, Texas, and Florida.
New York, on the other hand, is not far ahead of California’s unemployment rate. There, Emperor Andrew Cuomo has run the state to 8.2 percent unemployment. Thanks to Cuomo, together with Democratic New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, residents are fleeing just as they did in California, taking many jobs and taxpayer dollars with them.
In contrast, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has been vilified to no end by the corporate media for remaining light on lockdowns, has lead the Sunshine State to just more than 6 percent unemployment, below the national rate of 6.7 percent, while welcoming blue state migrants. Comparing the end result shows that Florida, despite lifting lockdowns early and remaining open, has fared far better than New York. Florida has seen 1,203 deaths per million as compared to the Empire State’s 2,207 per million.
South Dakota, meanwhile, governed by Republican Kristi Noem, who never implemented a statewide stay-home order, enjoys just 3 percent unemployment.
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LOL! For months everyone here insisted that deaths were being intentionally over reported as part of the great conspiracy to instill fear.
you blithering idiot. We specifically stated that Cuomo was putting people in nursing homes who had Covid. This is included in the article. I'll quote it again.
understand that?
Clearly, unbiasedly, states that Cuomo's executive order REQUIRED nursing homes to re-admit residents still recovering from the Rona. I don't know that it can be broken down any clearer than that. Maybe re-read it a few times or ask Tibs to splain to you. OH! go to reddit and use the https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/ sub-forum.
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Nope, ask Tim. He’s got all kinds of articles and graphs that prove that the deaths are from other causes.
Your level of stupidity is amazing. It's like a superpower that allows you to ignore every relevant fact and reach a breathtakingly asinine conclusion.
Perhaps the only thing all can agree on is that one segment of the population is genuinely at risk from the Chinese flu - those over the age of 70 and particularly those over 70 with co-morbidities such as obesity, hypertension, diabetes, etc. So the governor whose butthole you lick like a Tootsie pop ordered infected patients - those KNOWN to have the Chinese flu - back into nursing homes to expose the one segment of the population genuinely at risk.
And your conclusion is, "Ha-ha, you said the death rate was overblown." You are literally laughing at Coumo's intentional killing of thousands of the one segment of the population every person agreed needed protection, i.e., the elderly.
So go ahead and tell us how Trump is to blame, the fill us in on the amazing plan put together by Beijing Joe, the Basement Boy? Here, let me help with the latter:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JoeBiden</a>: "There is nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months." <a href="https://t.co/VGTBdgPSIf">pic.twitter.com/VGTBdgPSIf</a></p>— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) <a href="https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1352719164432121858?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
NOTHING.
WE.
CAN.
DO.
And by "we," Basement Boy means him.
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No, I’m laughing at how quickly you abandon your long held assertion that Covid deaths were being over reported for an opportunity to demonize Cuomo. Much like you abandon your assertion that Covid is overblown to demonize China.
You have no principles. You have no pride. You have a lot of vanity.
One, those graphs you've referenced are from your infallible, guiding-star trade rag the New York Times.
Two, those graphs talked about all deaths, not just COVID deaths, and not all excess deaths were 100% attributable to COVID.
Three, you came here claiming that all excess deaths we experienced were due to the Kung Flu.
None of that had anything at all whatsoever in the least bit to do with over or undercounting COVID deaths.
Congrats on winning the Special Olympics today.
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