The Coronavirus thread

[Stainless]

Who is Heath and how/why was he replaced by pharmaceuticals?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

But he didn’t say that Tim. His editorial was from February 18th, when the 14 day new case average was down 77%, and he said what could POSSIBLY happen. Now consider that the 14 day average is now up 17%. New cases are rising. Herd immunity hasn’t yet happened. Trust me.

SD Covid deaths per population are 35% higher than the US rate, and the US was a failure itself in dealing with the pandemic. God knows how many cases and deaths from SD migrated to other states from Sturgis retards.

Sometimes I simply cannot get how utterly dense and downright downs-like-stupid you can be.

No HE (Dr. Marty Makary) didn't say that. Nor did I say HE said that you stupid, can't-read, ****-waffle. In the post above I said "the quote" was a direct quote from the article...NOT FROM Dr. Makary you moron. Exactly how many times in a debate about one quote can you possibly **** it up? That's twice, even after you were given paint-by-numbers an amoeba could have followed.

1. First you accused ME of saying “herd immunity is here, let’s celebrate that” (wrong, that quote is from the writer of the article Matt Vespa...)
2. Then you you tell me "he" didn't say that assuming that the Dr. said that after I told you "IT" was a direct quote from the writer of the article Matt Vespa.

I fully expect you now to come back and say again that Dr. Makary made this statement

Here's a link to the Dr.'s article from the WSJ. You wanna argue with him? Fine. Because CNN told you to continue to be scared, you've lost all objectivity. It's fine, we know you're profiting from this lockdown.

And it's from March 24.....

Opinion | Herd Immunity Is Near, Despite Fauci’s Denial

His estimate that it’ll take a 70% to 85% vaccination rate ignores those who have already been infected.

www.wsj.com

SD and ND followed a policy and today they are well ahead of the rest of the country in infections. Your state, my state and the rest of the Libtard lock-down states are faring far worse both from the virus and economically because of it. SD and ND bravely led the way allowing us to face this virus without killing people with lockdowns, much like FL. We took the wrong path.

Also Floggy, don't forget, we suffered badly from COVID due to our extremely poor health. The #1 mitigating reason it hit us so hard. 78% of people hospitalized with COVID were overweight. Be careful battling this, your Panic Peddling MSNBC shared this to all of their Panic Peddlers and CoronoBros. You drink from that kool-aid fountain so.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

An overwhelming majority of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the CDC said.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Confluence]

As far as the yearly flu vaccine, they generally have a pretty good idea of what strain will be prevalent most years, and unless someone is specifically allergic to any component of the vaccine, they are considered effective and safe. Folks with Guillain-Barre syndrome aside.
With the COVID vaccine, there is so much disinformation out there who knows what to believe. The method of producing this vaccine is not unique and has a track record that doesn't prevent me from recommending it, if asked. What I find frustrating are the fear mongers saying that the vaccine will only last a few months, one can still contract the virus even if immunized, and that it won't cover any of the variants. None of this can be verified, and won't be perhaps for a year or two. My short answer remains the same, if you fall into the vulnerable portion of the population, I would advise getting it. Everyone else, it's a personal decision, although I don't see a down side (yet) if everyone gets it.
It is difficult to give a medical opinion on a subject that has been so politicized, but if you're on the fence with this, I would get it.

i appreciate the thoughtful response.
Thanks!

 

[Tibs]

For anyone paying attention, the name of the game right now are the new variants. This current incarnation of Covid isn't the same, tamer version of Covid from last year.

It's a lot stronger, more contagious and dangerous for the 20-40 age group. Sadly numbers are rising again stateside and in Europe. Even with the high number of vaccinations, masks, et al. Best to remain vigilant.

 

[Booted]

 

[Troglodyte]

Sometimes I simply cannot get how utterly dense and downright downs-like-stupid you can be.

No HE (Dr. Marty Makary) didn't say that. Nor did I say HE said that you stupid, can't-read, ****-waffle. In the post above I said "the quote" was a direct quote from the article...NOT FROM Dr. Makary you moron. Exactly how many times in a debate about one quote can you possibly **** it up? That's twice, even after you were given paint-by-numbers an amoeba could have followed.

1. First you accused ME of saying “herd immunity is here, let’s celebrate that” (wrong, that quote is from the writer of the article Matt Vespa...)
2. Then you you tell me "he" didn't say that assuming that the Dr. said that after I told you "IT" was a direct quote from the writer of the article Matt Vespa.

I fully expect you now to come back and say again that Dr. Makary made this statement

Here's a link to the Dr.'s article from the WSJ. You wanna argue with him? Fine. Because CNN told you to continue to be scared, you've lost all objectivity. It's fine, we know you're profiting from this lockdown.

And it's from March 24.....

Opinion | Herd Immunity Is Near, Despite Fauci’s Denial

His estimate that it’ll take a 70% to 85% vaccination rate ignores those who have already been infected.

www.wsj.com

SD and ND followed a policy and today they are well ahead of the rest of the country in infections. Your state, my state and the rest of the Libtard lock-down states are faring far worse both from the virus and economically because of it. SD and ND bravely led the way allowing us to face this virus without killing people with lockdowns, much like FL. We took the wrong path.

Also Floggy, don't forget, we suffered badly from COVID due to our extremely poor health. The #1 mitigating reason it hit us so hard. 78% of people hospitalized with COVID were overweight. Be careful battling this, your Panic Peddling MSNBC shared this to all of their Panic Peddlers and CoronoBros. You drink from that kool-aid fountain so.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

An overwhelming majority of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the CDC said.

www.cnbc.com

For **** sake, Tim. What was the point of YOU posting the article, exactly? Because you disagreed with it, I suppose? You liked the snarky discrediting of Fauci in the title and never thought to question and research the merits of the article.

You posted an article that MISREPRESENTED a now OUTDATED OPINION by Makary in the February 18th WSJ as his current conclusion. His OPINION then was a prediction of what MIGHT happen, not a conclusion. You realize that now, thanks to me, and now you’re pulling a “who? what? me?” trying to backtrack. Pathetic. Admit you’re wrong and move on.

SD and ND are #1 and #2 in all time cases per capita. FACT. It’s because they failed in mitigating the virus, as did the US. People didn’t contract the virus because of poor health. The deaths are from people, wait for it.. who first contracted it from someone else. Less cases, less deaths.

 

[Troglodyte]

For anyone paying attention, the name of the game right now are the new variants. This current incarnation of Covid isn't the same, tamer version of Covid from last year.

It's a lot stronger, more contagious and dangerous for the 20-40 age group. Sadly numbers are rising again stateside and in Europe. Even with the high number of vaccinations, masks, et al. Best to remain vigilant.

They stopped paying attention about a year ago...

 

[Steelr4evr]

 

[Confluence]

For anyone paying attention, the name of the game right now are the new variants. This current incarnation of Covid isn't the same, tamer version of Covid from last year.

It's a lot stronger, more contagious and dangerous for the 20-40 age group. Sadly numbers are rising again stateside and in Europe. Even with the high number of vaccinations, masks, et al. Best to remain vigilant.

Vile Comrade Tibs, useful idiot, how do you conclude that the normal virus mutations ( just like flu, every year) are worse/stronger and more dangerous for the most productive people in the global economy?

Rather than your usual cut/paste, how about some data rather than your typical fearmongering.

What if the new mutations bring faster spread of a Covid virus that brings everyone affected that future immunity that the giant pharma companies and the government insist only come from the new, unapproved but energency-use gr$$nlit drugs called vaccines (why?)?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

For **** sake, Tim. What was the point of YOU posting the article, exactly? Because you disagreed with it, I suppose? You liked the snarky discrediting of Fauci in the title and never thought to question and research the merits of the article.

This is how you say "yep I got it wrong not once, not twice...but three times?"

You posted an article that MISREPRESENTED a now OUTDATED OPINION by Makary in the February 18th WSJ as his current conclusion. His OPINION then was a prediction of what MIGHT happen, not a conclusion. You realize that now, thanks to me, and now you’re pulling a “who? what? me?” trying to backtrack. Pathetic. Admit you’re wrong and move on.

No dumbshit, let me repeat AGAIN - go READ the article itself. When I posted the article, I had read it, you know, prior to posting it. Therefore I knew it was a prediction. I even, in stupid *** rebuttals with your annoying ***, pointed out that the article and he said words like "may" and "might". The article was posted on its face value - we may be at or very near herd immunity.

You attempt to needle and back people into corners. It's your schtick. Once again, you ****** up. You didn't read the article. You accused me of making the quote. Then the Dr. for making the quote. Then mistook the dates. One of your more colossal **** ups. I applaud you on screwing this one up 6 days to Sunday and back.

SD and ND are #1 and #2 in all time cases per capita. FACT. It’s because they failed in mitigating the virus, as did the US. People didn’t contract the virus because of poor health. The deaths are from people, wait for it.. who first contracted it from someone else. Less cases, less deaths.

SD and ND are leading the nation in current case ratios. Their stance, to let it ride, worked. It's not spreading there any more. Yet it still runs rampant in some of your fave states like NY, CA, PA, VA, MD. Hats off again to SD and ND to go through a hard phase to get to where they are today....states that have combined only 4,000 total cases. Bravo!

By the way, deaths are down 22% over the past 14 days. Bravo!!

You sir have banged on the US Death Rate drum since the beginning. No switching arguments mid stream now floggy. Our Death Rate is bad because we are soooooo unhealthy. Keep sticking your pig head in the sand all you like, you're denying a FACT because it goes against your religion, your ideology. We had a higher death rate because we are so damned fat (36% of us) and nearly 11% of us have diabetes.

MSNBC and the CDC and scientists around the world agree with me. But please, it's utterly comical to watch you continue to disagree with this. Go on, I encourage it.

We Must Escape the COVID-Obesity Trap

More than a year after the coronavirus came to the United States, and governments across the world instituted measures ostensibly to limit its spread, there remains much we don’t know about the disease. And if the Chinese Communist Party gets its way, there is much that we will never know for...

sports.yahoo.com

FROM THE ARTICLE (said so you don't believe I may have said this...again):

Being overweight makes the coronavirus worse. According to a March report by the World Obesity Federation:

In countries where less than half the adult population is classified as overweight . . . the likelihood of death from COVID-19 is a small fraction — around one tenth — of the level seen in countries where more than half the population is classified as overweight.

The report adds that “of the 2.5 million COVID-19 deaths reported by the end of February 2021, 2.2 million were in countries where more than half the population is classified as overweight.” There may be other factors at play; air-conditioning, climate, time spent indoors, etc. But in a survey of its own, also in March, our own CDC found that, in the United States, more than half of coronavirus patients in hospitals were medically obese, and an additional 28 percent were overweight. These findings could resolve an essential quandary concerning coronavirus spread and intensity, explaining why some countries and other regions with inferior medical systems or starkly differing coronavirus-mitigation strategies have fared far better than those with apparently superior systems or strategies. It may be that the preexisting health of a population has more to do with how that population deals with the coronavirus than almost anything else, because, generally speaking, a person who is healthy and fit is better-equipped than someone who is neither to deal with the coronavirus. As U.K. prime minister Boris Johnson, who had a particularly nasty bout of coronavirus, bluntly put it after he recovered: “I was too fat.”

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Vile Comrade Tibs, useful idiot, how do you conclude that the normal virus mutations ( just like flu, every year) are worse/stronger and more dangerous for the most productive people in the global economy?

Rather than your usual cut/paste, how about some data rather than your typical fearmongering.

What if the new mutations bring faster spread of a Covid virus that brings everyone affected that future immunity that the giant pharma companies and the government insist only come from the new, unapproved but energency-use gr$$nlit drugs called vaccines (why?)?

They have been talking about variants since the end of last summer. Seriously. That they are coming. There is no evidence whatsoever yet that any new variants re-infect those who have had it, that they are more deadly, etc. Fear is the tool they have used and they don't want that tool going away. It's too powerful.

By the way, can someone tell me how many Flu cases there were in the US this winter?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Bravo Texas!

Texas sees lowest daily average in COVID cases since last June three weeks after mask mandate was lifted

Change.

hotair.com

 

[Tibs]

Vile Comrade Tibs, useful idiot.... Rather than your usual cut/paste, how about some data rather than your typical fearmongering.

Here dumbass, here's some 'typical fearmongering' from your beloved Foxnews. It really is a race to the bottom with some of you folks. Hope you make it through ok.

US seeing 'fourth wave' of coronavirus infections due to variants: Osterholm

Epidemiologist Dr. Michael Osterholm believes the U.S. is seeing a "fourth wave" of infections due to coronavirus variants that have arisen over the past few months.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Tibs]

Some more fear-mongering, from your neck of the woods.

 

[Sarge]

Some more fear-mongering, from your neck of the woods.

Which makes our southern border policy that much more ludicrous. If **** is so contagious and deadly, maybe a better policy would be locking down the ******* border rather than letting COVID positive people into the country and worse, releasing them into the interior of the country sick and unvaccinated.
But no, keep lecturing me, a fully vaccinated person about wearing a mask. Our government sucks.

 

[Booted]

Which makes our southern border policy that much more ludicrous. If **** is so contagious and deadly, maybe a better policy would be locking down the ******* border rather than letting COVID positive people into the country and worse, releasing them into the interior of the country sick and unvaccinated

Well, yeah but, no.... I mean, uh....that's raciiisttt? maybe?

 

[Sarge]

I mean **** these guys. For real. I am as moderate as they come, but I’ve pretty much had about enough of the bullshit our government continuously foists upon us and desires to foist upon us. That half the country is cheering for this **** shows how foolish, ignorant, immoral and emotionally weak this nation has become. Everyone I talk to, even some of my liberal friends, are in disbelief over some of this ****. The reckoning is drawing near. Conservatives aren’t the only ones pissed, and that’s a good thing.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

By the way, can someone tell me how many Flu cases there were in the US this winter?

 

[Tibs]

That half the country is cheering for this ****

Sarge, not trying to provoke you, just wondering what you meant by this. Who's cheering for this ****? How are they cheering for it? And who's 'half the country?'

 

[Sarge]

Sarge, not trying to provoke you, just wondering what you meant by this. Who's cheering for this ****? How are they cheering for it? And who's 'half the country?'

The same people that suddenly have absolutely nothing to say about immigration policy. The people that said 'kids in cages' and now say "child migrant facilities." The people remaining silent for fear of cancellation. The people that call me racist because I want immigrants to come here legally following the laws of this nation. Sorry you can't get to your freebies fast enough. Remember, by your own words, not speaking out against this insanity is being complicit, supporting it. This administration's border policy in this pandemic is not only insane, it's stupid and quite possibly treasonous. Who does this **** and thinks it's a good idea, then lies and says "It happens every year, it's cyclical."? As much as Trump is off putting and an *******, Trump had this **** teed up for Biden. Vaccines, a border wall and an all time low of illegal crossings. As you say, 'it was a layup.' If nothing else, it would have helped shepherd this nation through the pandemic. But they created a crisis, probably on purpose, and rather than send them packing, they are putting covid positive people in the same facilities with everyone else because they have no where else to put them. Worse, after they are processed, they are released into the interior of the country. And who's is paying for this fiasco? The American taxpayer, once again, the last person considered for more liberal pie in the sky bullshit all the while being lectured about wearing masks and social distancing by the same people administering this stupid policy.

Perhaps, people aren't literally cheering for it, but they damn sure ain't objecting to it. It's baffling, really.

I got news for you. Your government, whether they are Republican or Democrat, does not care about you. They see you as an idiot that will kill himself in a ****** job thinking he is free while they plot new ways to steal your money and property for power, all the while dividing us into little categories with cute little labels using rhetoric that makes people hate each other, and use all of it to enrich themselves. I don't know how anyone supports this government anymore.

 

[Tibs]

So if I follow you, your point of contention is more focused on immigration than the pandemic itself. I thought you were speaking specifically to Covid. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

By the way, can someone tell me how many Flu cases there were in the US this winter?

No one. Everybody has the 'Rona now. Until now, families were hoping 'Rona was not on the death certificates. Now that the government is kicking in for funerals for Covid victims I am anticipating requests for death certificates with the 'Rona added.

COVID-19 Funeral Assistance | FEMA.gov

www.fema.gov

 

[Sarge]

So if I follow you, your point of contention is more focused on immigration than the pandemic itself. I thought you were speaking specifically to Covid. Thanks for clarifying that.

No, it's both. With the policy at the border, you cannot separate the two. One is feeding the other, and it's driven by a stupid policy.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So if I follow you, your point of contention is more focused on immigration than the pandemic itself. I thought you were speaking specifically to Covid. Thanks for clarifying that.

I don't understand why it is so difficult to follow, save for Liberals being intentionally obtuse about it so as to obfuscate.

For a year we have been told to social distance and to wear a mask
Church gatherings were banned, because they were dangerous
People by and large universally supported stopping immigration from basically everywhere so as to slow the progression of COVID
Beijing Joe has contemplated using Executive orders for nationwide mask mandates. He HAS implemented one for Federal facilities
We are about to see Americans subjected to HAVING to have COVID vaccine papers in order to freely move

Beijing Joe comes into office. He stops the further construction of the border wall. Immigrants wearing custom-printed T-shirts screaming for Biden to let them in (where did they get those??) approach and flow across the border because they know Liberals have an "open door" policy.

As...if...they...just...forgot...about...the...pandemic....tens and hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL aliens will be welcomed into our country, countless infected with COVID, stuffed together shoulder to shoulder in facilities (have you seen the photos?? They are stacked on each other) because IT FITS THE LIBERAL AGENDA.....

But meanwhile Beijing Joe himself derided the Texas Rangers for saying opening day would be max capacity in the stadium for fans.

Americans are sick and tired of Liberals lecturing us about masks, social distancing and getting vaccines while they allow...no dare I say encourage and welcome...untested illegal immigrants to flow through our borders and inserting them into our population in the most dangerous of fashions.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy.

 

[Sarge]

I don't understand why it is so difficult to follow, save for Liberals being intentionally obtuse about it so as to obfuscate.

For a year we have been told to social distance and to wear a mask
Church gatherings were banned, because they were dangerous
People by and large universally supported stopping immigration from basically everywhere so as to slow the progression of COVID
Beijing Joe has contemplated using Executive orders for nationwide mask mandates. He HAS implemented one for Federal facilities
We are about to see Americans subjected to HAVING to have COVID vaccine papers in order to freely move

Beijing Joe comes into office. He stops the further construction of the border wall. Immigrants wearing custom-printed T-shirts screaming for Biden to let them in (where did they get those??) approach and flow across the border because they know Liberals have an "open door" policy.

As...if...they...just...forgot...about...the...pandemic....tens and hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL aliens will be welcomed into our country, countless infected with COVID, stuffed together shoulder to shoulder in facilities (have you seen the photos?? They are stacked on each other) because IT FITS THE LIBERAL AGENDA.....

But meanwhile Beijing Joe himself derided the Texas Rangers for saying opening day would be max capacity in the stadium for fans.

Americans are sick and tired of Liberals lecturing us about masks, social distancing and getting vaccines while they allow...no dare I say encourage and welcome...untested illegal immigrants to flow through our borders and inserting them into our population in the most dangerous of fashions.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy.

And the part I don't understand is why it has to be one (the Pandemic) or the other (immigration). It's both, and one is leading to the other. If you are letting sick people across the border, and housing them in close quarters with those that are not sick, there is a good chance you are going to make a lot more sick people. Then release them into the country where you can't track them or find them. At the same time, you tell your own citizens they are ********, racists, anti-science, whatever and blame them for the dumb **** you are doing. And on top of that, tell them that the flu is down because everyone is wearing masks, but covid is spreading because no one is wearing masks (and some people are actually buying that nonsense). How does anyone trust this government to be honest and upright with them? It's mind numbing.