The Coronavirus thread

[Tim Steelersfan]

Timothy, thanks for all the hard work & time you invest on this board to ensure Covid keeps spreading, that the pandemic gets drawn out forever and to make sure our lives are miserable for as long as possible.

If you don't mind telling us, how much is COVID paying you, to keep spewing this much bullshit on its behalf?

Thank you Tibs for keeping your head stuck so far up your ***, you can't see what the lockdowns are doing to people, how many it's killing, how many lives its destroyed. I'm advocating for those the media and the likes of you ignore....the hidden, non-discussed deaths and destruction.

For you and your ilk, there is only one set of lives that matter - those stricken by COVID. Like deaths weekly in Chicago, you turn a blind eye to the lives destroyed by the unnecessary draconian measures put into place.

Lastly, I attack the "science" that by the day continues to be exposed for not being scientific at all. Masks and their effectiveness have been severely undermined. They don't work. Lockdowns...don't work. Time and the data are showing us this.

I know you only want to swallow the Kool-Aid you've been fed. Try opening your eyes and ferreting out what is real and what is not.

 

[Tibs]

Try opening your eyes and ferreting out what is real and what is not.

Sure thing, Mr. Tinfoil Hat. I do that on a daily basis, and am able to comprehend basic truths. That skill seems to evade you, like a fish slipping through your hands.

Good luck, stay safe & stay healthy!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

am able to comprehend basic truths.

Quite possibly up there for the most outlandish thing you've said on the board to date.

If you want to show some data and evidence that lockdowns and masking work, feel free. Otherwise, you're no different than Hypoflog offering conjecture.

In fact, explain FL, TX, MS, and the other non-lockdown states to say NJ, NY and the others. Lying Liar Fauci can't explain it. Perhaps you can provide some of these basic truths he himself can't seem to come up with.

 

[Tibs]

You're so enthralled by all the minute details, digging through endless pages of stats, charts and data, you simply don't get it.

You've created a hyper-reality echo chamber for yourself, and spend most of your waking hours trying to substantiate your views.

Just chill out, take a step back, and look at the big picture. Nobody's out to get you. Nobody at the local, State or Federal level wants to ruin anybody's lives by upholding precautionary measures. There is no 'get' here, the elusive conspiracy you're so keen on uncovering. This is happening around the world, in all countries. Some places it's a bit worse, some places a bit better.

Just stop running around in circles trying to prove some dumbshit theory you've concocted about what's happening. Wear your mask, get vaccinated and encourage others to do so. That will bring about the return to normalcy quicker than anything else you've been cooking up.

Have a great day and stay safe!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You're so enthralled by all the minute details, digging through endless pages of stats, charts and data, you simply don't get it.

You've created a hyper-reality echo chamber for yourself, and spend most of your waking hours trying to substantiate your views.

Just chill out, take a step back, and look at the big picture. Nobody's out to get you. Nobody at the local, State or Federal level wants to ruin anybody's lives by upholding precautionary measures. There is no 'get' here, the elusive conspiracy you're so keen on uncovering. This is happening around the world, in all countries. Some places it's a bit worse, some places a bit better.

Just stop running around in circles trying to prove some dumbshit theory you've concocted about what's happening. Wear your mask, get vaccinated and encourage others to do so. That will bring about the return to normalcy quicker than anything else you've been cooking up.

Have a great day and stay safe!

Again, nothing but conjecture. Yes, this is happening around the world.

Simple question Tibs. If lockdowns and masking worked, why are areas not locked down with no mask mandates faring better or equal to those areas with draconian lockdowns....if it's basic truths that they work.

We will wait.

PS....if it showed that they worked, I'd be all for it. It appears the vaccines are having a huge impact. I'm all for it (I just want to take a different one). I'm all for herd immunity...it seems to be catching on and that's how mankind has beaten every virus prior. Again, let me emphasize. IF the masks were proven to work, IF the lockdowns had shown to be effective, I'd have applauded and supported them. Facts are facts. There's no evidence they had any impact at all. At tremendous cost to mankind.

 

[Tibs]

You simply can't see the forest from the trees. Seems to be contagious within the MAGA camp.

And btw, while you and others mock mask-wearing and other precautionary measures, may be time to pull your head out of your ***.

You can contract, spread COVID-19 even after being fully vaccinated, doctors say

Can you still contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated? Yes, according to the CDC and local doctors.

www.wpxi.com

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You simply can't see the forest from the trees. Seems to be contagious within the MAGA camp.

And btw, while you and others mock mask-wearing and other precautionary measures, may be time to pull your head out of your ***.

You can contract, spread COVID-19 even after being fully vaccinated, doctors say

Can you still contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated? Yes, according to the CDC and local doctors.

www.wpxi.com

Nice fluff piece Tibs. We all know that even after getting the vaccine, you can still contract it. But as OFTB showed, it's a minuscule sample set.

I'm still waiting for evidence. There was none whatsoever in that article about masking and lockdowns. Just a heavy handed reminder that "masks work."

I've posted boatloads of it. That due to the micron size of COVID, the masks we wear every day does not prevent the spread of COVID in aerosols. Only a properly fitted N95 can, and it only prevents a small portion of those. The only thing cloth and surgical masks do is prevent the projection of droplets. Studies show that has about a 3% impact.

It's all science. You can go look at the litany of studies I provided that show masks are doing absolutely little to nothing to prevent the spread.

The lockdowns speak for themselves. If the lockdowns worked...the areas locked down would be faring far far better than those areas that did not. Simple logic.

The longer this all goes on, as I said to Hypoflog, the more data surfaces, the more experience we gain, it shows your position and theirs is full of gaping holes.

I still wait an answer: Simple question Tibs. If lockdowns and masking worked, why are areas not locked down with no mask mandates faring better or equal to those areas with draconian lockdowns....if it's basic truths that they work.

 

[Troglodyte]

LOL says the Liberal troll who lives in the land of fantasy...."Well if NBC says it's so, then it's so!"

I gave you a hospital bed tracker from the AMERICAN HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION that shows your claims to be utter, complete, total bullshit.

Then you say I live in a dystopian world. When you show up, throw around conjecture, claim it to be fact, and can never back your claims up except to say "I saw it on the news....."

You seriously can't make this **** up.

I know you try to insulate yourself in the world of Breitbart, Townhall, Tucker “No Reasonable Person Would Take Me Seriously” Carlson, etc. and you have company but c’mon, you don’t resent the hell out of mask mandates and restrictions based on “science” (as you put it)? That’s not maddening? Isn’t society in general “throwing around conjecture” in your view?

 

[Tibs]

For those perfectly content to continue living in a bubble of fantasy, fiction and lies, I suggest you don't read this. If you do, you may end up realizing Covid is still very much active and very much with us, to this very day. And who would want to wrap their heads around that? That would be stupid. Much better to exist in a self-created comfort bubble filled with rainbows & unicorns. Totally understand.



The global Covid-19 infection rate is reaching the highest it’s been during the pandemic thus far, the director-general of the World Health Organization said Thursday, as cases and deaths go up around the world at alarming rates despite the rollout of the Covid-19 vaccine.

According to data compiled by the New York Times, global Covid-19 cases have gone up by 25% over the past 14 days, and deaths have increased by 17%.

 

[Steeltime]

So to sum up Floggy and Decaf:

Don't be a weirdo anti-vaxxer, just get the damn vaccine because evidence shows vaccinations continue at a substantial rate, more and more getting the vaccine, but you can still get and Chinese flu and spread the Chinese flu even after getting vaccine, and the Chinese flu infection rate is exploding despite the continued distribution of the vaccine, and even after getting the vaccine, continue wearing a mask and don't congregate cuz Chinese flu.

Is that about it?

 

[Tibs]

So to sum up Floggy and Decaf:

Don't be a weirdo anti-vaxxer, just get the damn vaccine because evidence shows vaccinations continue at a substantial rate, more and more getting the vaccine, but you can still get and Chinese flu and spread the Chinese flu even after getting vaccine, and the Chinese flu infection rate is exploding despite the continued distribution of the vaccine, and even after getting the vaccine, continue wearing a mask and don't congregate cuz Chinese flu. Is that about it?

To sum up SteelThing & TimNuts:

Stick your head in the sand, don't wear a mask, be a freakazoid ******* wierdo anti-vaxxer just like us. It's the way to go! Come on folks, follow us off a cliff yeeeeeeeee haaaaaawwwwww!!!

 

[hamster]

Allegheny county has had 23 hospitalizations and 2 deaths in the last 7 days.

A lot of the spread is in young people. We get emails every week with the latest infection at my son's school. They contact trace and quarantine those kids. Everybody else back in school. Teachers are not catching this.

This is what happens when the lockdowns no longer work. It just delays the spread. If you are obese and/or have other health complications, protect yourself.

 

[Troglodyte]

For those that think masks don’t work, if you polled 100 medical doctors, how many do you think would agree with you?

 

[Tibs]

For those that think masks don’t work, if you polled 100 medical doctors, how many do you think would agree with?

Doctors, smocktors, they don't know nothin.' Our esteemed resident experts Stealtime & Timmy will tell you point blank masks ain't worth ****. So just shut yer trap and stop questioning everything, Trog, if you know what's good for you.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I know you try to insulate yourself in the world of Breitbart, Townhall, Tucker “No Reasonable Person Would Take Me Seriously” Carlson, etc. and you have company but c’mon, you don’t resent the hell out of mask mandates and restrictions based on “science” (as you put it)? That’s not maddening? Isn’t society in general “throwing around conjecture” in your view?

And thus it goes, per script. When facts and data are thrown out, attack the source. Never, ever, never, ever debate the facts of the matter. Now, instead of sticking to the facts, you revert to "attack the messenger." Right up there with Tibs calling everyone here a QAnon supporter or whatever.

Hypoflog: Hospitals are overwhelmed!

Tim: Prove it, show some evidence

Hypoflog: All you had to do was watch the news!

Tim: Prove it, substantiate your claim

Hypoflog: 35 hospitals are at 90% capacity in Michigan, see, see, see!!

Tim: Provides AHA data showing that not one hospital in the country is overwhelmed, that the ideal capacity hospitals shoot for is 75-85% occupancy based on days of the week, that 90% really isn't that significant. In fact, as Iron pointed out, even in good times hospitals almost always operate understaffed, overwhelmed. Further, I provide AHA data that when considering COVID-dedicated beds, only 5 out of 3,006 United States Counties are in the red.

Hypoflog: You're just bending the science and wearing a tin foil hat!

Again, you can't make this **** up with Hollywood writers even.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

To sum up SteelThing & TimNuts:

Stick your head in the sand, don't wear a mask, be a freakazoid ******* wierdo anti-vaxxer just like us. It's the way to go! Come on folks, follow us off a cliff yeeeeeeeee haaaaaawwwwww!!!

Looking for a simple answer Tibs: If masking and lockdowns work, explain why FL, TX, MS, and other open states are fairing better or equal to lockdown states have.

Fauci can't. You believe the ideology of masks and lockdowns because you were told to believe it. They aren't working. Do explain.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

So to sum up Floggy and Decaf:

Don't be a weirdo anti-vaxxer, just get the damn vaccine because evidence shows vaccinations continue at a substantial rate, more and more getting the vaccine, but you can still get and Chinese flu and spread the Chinese flu even after getting vaccine, and the Chinese flu infection rate is exploding despite the continued distribution of the vaccine, and even after getting the vaccine, continue wearing a mask and don't congregate cuz Chinese flu.

Is that about it?

Well ya, but you forgot to mention that going to Key West is fine.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

For those that think masks don’t work, if you polled 100 medical doctors, how many do you think would agree with you?

Once again, conjecture.

Let me refresh you.

https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/the-coronavirus-thread.34219/post-812445

https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/the-coronavirus-thread.34219/post-812447

24 studies I provided for you in those links from scientists and medical professionals establishing that masking does not work.

The US Surgeon General, Danish scientists/medical researchers, the CDC itself, National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance, The Children’s Hospital at Westmead and The University of Sydney, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, Department of Family and Community Medicine, Faculty of Medicine in Rabigh, King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, Menzies Institute for Medical Research Tasmania, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, the European CDC, the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, the Acute Respiratory Infections Group, the University of Illinois, the New England Journal of Medicine, the British Medical Journal, German medical professionals, the University of Minnesota, all agreed, the efficacy of wearing masks is either suspect or proven to be innefective.

But you "surmise" that doctors will advise wearing them so it must be true and I have my head in the sand.

Hypoflog disagrees with the US CDC, the European CDC, the Surgeon General and all of those other medical and research professionals because Lester Holt told him wearing a mask works.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Well ya, but you forgot to mention that going to Key West is fine.

Interesting, is that not? Hypoflog said he went because it was safe. He was vaccinated and so were his companions and they wore masks so all is good.

Tibs shows up today posting an article warning us all that you can still get COVID and spread it after being vaccinated.

Don't you love when they eat their own?

 

[JMM]

The totalitarian government
keeps on marching along.
Most oblvious to the freedoms
being stripped from them.
Cheered on by the masses
of those who think they're being
protected and led by those with
the darkest of hearts.

 

[Troglodyte]

Doctors, smocktors, they don't know nothin.' Our esteemed resident experts Stealtime & Timmy will tell you point blank masks ain't worth ****. So just shut yer trap and stop questioning everything, Trog, if you know what's good for you.

How Tim’s evidence eludes conventional wisdom has something to do with the deep state and mind control.

 

[Troglodyte]

Once again, conjecture.

Let me refresh you.

https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/the-coronavirus-thread.34219/post-812445

https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/the-coronavirus-thread.34219/post-812447

24 studies I provided for you in those links from scientists and medical professionals establishing that masking does not work.

The US Surgeon General, Danish scientists/medical researchers, the CDC itself, National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance, The Children’s Hospital at Westmead and The University of Sydney, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, Department of Family and Community Medicine, Faculty of Medicine in Rabigh, King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, Menzies Institute for Medical Research Tasmania, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, the European CDC, the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, the Acute Respiratory Infections Group, the University of Illinois, the New England Journal of Medicine, the British Medical Journal, German medical professionals, the University of Minnesota, all agreed, the efficacy of wearing masks is either suspect or proven to be innefective.

But you "surmise" that doctors will advise wearing them so it must be true and I have my head in the sand.

Hypoflog disagrees with the US CDC, the European CDC, the Surgeon General and all of those other medical and research professionals because Lester Holt told him wearing a mask works.

So answer the question. 24 studies that were scientific and not “scientific” (again, as you put it, because you are able to decipher science from “science”).

So you think the vast majority of medical doctors agree with you that masks don’t work? Where is their voice? “Masks don’t work” is a huge revelation after 13 months of mask wearing. Why do public health officials continue to disregard them?

 

[Troglodyte]

Looking for a simple answer Tibs: If masking and lockdowns work, explain why FL, TX, MS, and other open states are fairing better or equal to lockdown states have.

Fauci can't. You believe the ideology of masks and lockdowns because you were told to believe it. They aren't working. Do explain.

No restrictions South Dakota #2 in cases/population, #46 population/sq. mile.

How did one of the least densely populated states become the second highest in cases/population?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So answer the question. 24 studies that were scientific and not “scientific” (again, as you put it, because you are able to decipher science from “science”).

So you think the vast majority of medical doctors agree with you that masks don’t work? Where is their voice? “Masks don’t work” is a huge revelation after 13 months of mask wearing. Why do public health officials continue to disregard them?

Doctors that advocate wearing a mask is different than doctors, researchers and scientists studying the effects of mask wearing. Even you have to be able to see this. Wait a minute...

Doctors that prescribe medicine to treat ailments do so because of the research behind it that preceded the prescription. They've been assured by the researchers that said medicine or treatment works.

Doctors have been suggesting wearing masks because history shows it "may" work. Without knowing much about the virus. It's been a preventive measure and guesswork.

Now research and work by the community - The US Surgeon General, Danish scientists/medical researchers, the CDC itself, National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance, The Children’s Hospital at Westmead and The University of Sydney, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, Department of Family and Community Medicine, Faculty of Medicine in Rabigh, King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, Menzies Institute for Medical Research Tasmania, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, the European CDC, the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, the Acute Respiratory Infections Group, the University of Illinois, the New England Journal of Medicine, the British Medical Journal, German medical professionals, the University of Minnesota - is saying wait a minute. Masks don't appear to be working.

Stay tuned. I'm not sure how much more you need than these EXPERTS in the field of research to tell you they aren't working.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

No restrictions South Dakota #2 in cases/population, #46 population/sq. mile.

How did one of the least densely populated states become the second highest in cases/population?

And Hypoflog off to the races again pointing to outliers as evidence of the larger picture.

35 hospitals in Michigan are at 90% capacity so see the whole country is overwhelmed!!!! Run, hide! Save the facts bely that bullshit claim. Just like this one.

Where are these states today? Seems their approach worked eh? From your beloved New York Times:






Do you see a pattern? The leader of the pack is one of the worst lockdown states in the union. North and South Dakota are 19th and 22nd on the list. Leaders are your lock down states: Michigan, New Jersey, Rhode Island, PA, NY, on and on and on.

No mask mandate states rank:

Florida - 12
Alaska - 17
South Dakota - 19
North Dakota - 22
Indiana - 25
Tennessee - 28
Nebraska - 30
Wisconsin - 32
Iowa - 33
Georgia - 35
Idaho - 36
Montana - 37
Texas - 40
Missouri - 41
Wyoming - 42
Kansas - 45
Mississippi - 46
Arizona - 47
Oklahoma - 49
Alabama - 51
Arkansas - 53

Of the top 30 states/territories monitored, 23 of them are mask mandate states. 77% of the current new case leading states are states with mask mandates.

Keep on telling us masking works Hypoflog.