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The Coronavirus thread

Here is an interesting mask story: I'm vacationing in the Smoky Mountains for 2 weeks and on the way down I stopped in Virginia, just north of the Tennessee border and go into a Wall Mart that was pretty crowded, and almost everyone is still wearing masks, though Walmart doesn't require it. I get to Gatlinburg which is extremely crowded and you can't find anyone wearing masks accept for a few people working in restaurants. Can't say it's just Tennessee folks because there are plenty of people from all over here. Maybe people in their communities will still wear them, but go on vacation and forget about them.
There was nothing interesting about that.
 
At this point, I believe we are close to officially being able to call it the WUHAN VIRUS.


Committee Republicans also claimed there are "clear signs" that U.S. government agencies and academic institutions "may have funded or collaborated in Gain of Function research" at the Wuhan Lab, claiming that research "was published even after the U.S. government had paused these kinds of studies in the United States due to ethical concerns over their biowarfare applicability and their potential to accidentally unleash a pandemic.
 
There was nothing interesting about that.

I read it twice. I'm not sure I could even gather what his point was. Maybe it was how much he loves Walmart? Dude's on vacation and apparently visiting all the Walmarts he can find.
 
Mask cults were a thing in 2017 in Japan too....

Doesn't this perfectly describe some people we know all too well?


However, habitual mask-wearers, particularly those aligned with the political left, aren't celebrating, not by a long shot. Instead, they are clinging to their face diapers like Linus iron-grips his security blanket, and they aren't about to let go anytime soon. We've all seen it play out time and time again with Branch Covidian mask-worshippers we know online and even personally. No amount of data or reason will sway them, but why?

Turns out, the likeliest explanation for this illogical devotion to their weird face mask god is, in fact, rooted in mental illness, one that was eerily described in an article about Japanese mask addition Tor Ching Li wrote for The Straits Times - in 2017.



From the piece:

But if you stay in Japan long enough, you would realise that the Japanese love affair with the surgical masks goes beyond health and hygiene - to the realm of psychology and even pathology.

While many wear the mask as a defence against allergens, some use it as a cover-up, a shield against social situations that trigger anxiety.

Figures attest to a phenomenon some have termed "mask dependency"
: Mask production rose 20 per cent year on year in 2015, to a record high of 4.9 billion pieces, according to latest data from the Japan Hygiene Products Industry Association.
"Mask dependency" anyone?

 
More COVID numbers that were falsified??

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The reported number of children hospitalized with COVID-19 in California was "grossly inflated," potentially leading policymakers and parents to believe kids were at higher risk from the virus than they actually are, according to two new studies.

"Hospital Pediatrics," a journal of medicine for pediatric care, published two research papers Wednesday that found child hospitalizations for COVID-19 were over-counted by at least 40% in the state, and researchers believe it's likely national numbers were similarly inflated. New York magazine reported commentary from Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, and her colleague Amy Beck, an associate professor of pediatrics, that explained the studies' findings.

"Taken together, these studies underscore the importance of clearly distinguishing between children hospitalized with SARS-CoV-2 found on universal testing versus those hospitalized for COVID-19 disease," they wrote. The reported hospitalization rates "greatly overestimate the true burden of COVID-19 disease in children." In an interview, Gandhi told New York magazine "there is no reason to think these findings would be exclusive to California. This sort of retrospective chart review will likely reveal the same findings across the country."

New York magazine summarized the key findings from the two studies:

In one study, conducted at a children's hospital in Northern California, among the 117 pediatric SARS-CoV2-positive patients hospitalized between May 10, 2020, and February 10, 2021, the authors concluded that 53 of them (or 45 percent) "were unlikely to be caused by SARS-CoV-2." The reasons for hospital admission for these "unlikely" patients included surgeries, cancer treatment, a psychiatric episode, urologic issues, and various infections such as cellulitis, among other diagnoses. The study also found that 46 (or 39.3 percent) of patients coded as SARS-CoV2 positive were asymptomatic. In other words, despite patients' testing positive for the virus as part of the hospital's universal screening, COVID-19 symptoms were absent, therefore it was not the reason for the hospitalization. Any instance where the link between a positive SARS-CoV2 test and cause of admission was uncertain the authors erred toward giving a "likely" categorization.

In the second study, at the fifth-largest children's hospital in the country, out of 146 records listing patients as positive for SARS-CoV-2 from May 1, 2020, to September 30, 2020, the authors classified 58 (40 percent) as having "incidental" diagnosis, meaning there was no documentation of COVID-19 symptoms prior to hospitalization. Like the first study, and as has been typical around the nation, this hospital implemented universal testing of inpatients for SARS-CoV-2. An example of incidentally SARS-CoV-2-positive patients are those who came to the hospital because of fractures. Patients who may have had COVID-19 symptoms but who had a clearly documented alternative reason for them, such as a child with abdominal pain and fever found to be related to an abdominal abscess, were also deemed to have incidental diagnosis. The study categorized 68 patients, or 47 percent, as "potentially symptomatic," which was defined as when "COVID-19 was not the primary reason for admission for these patients, and COVID-19 alone did not directly require hospitalization without the concomitant condition." Examples of these patients were those with acute appendicitis, since that condition includes gastrointestinal symptoms that may also present in COVID-19.
There are two important implications of these findings. The first is that policies that disproportionally affect children, like school closures or the cancellation of youth sports or summer camps, were implemented after reports greatly overstated the risk of children being hospitalized from COVID-19.

"Children have suffered tremendously due to policies that have kept schools and recreational facilities closed to them, and the burden has been greatest on children who are low-income and English-language learners," the researchers noted in their commentary. New York magazine pointed out "the hospitalization numbers for children were already extremely low relative to adults — at the pandemic's peak this winter, it was roughly ten times lower than for 18-to-49-year-olds and 77 times lower than those age 65 and up." If 40% of those hospitalizations were reported inaccurately, the actual rates are "vanishingly small," and those policies implemented to protect children may have done far more harm than good.

The second implication relates to the Food and Drug Administration's "emergency use authorization" for COVID-19 vaccines for children. If the studies' findings show that COVID-19 "poses a dramatically lower incidence of pediatric hospitalizations than the data have shown thus far," then the need for an emergency authorization of vaccines for kids to protect them from going to the hospital is perhaps less than previously thought.
 
Most of the Americans that died of Covid also had government run and funded healthcare.
Thank you for a great argument against government funded healthcare! That sounded awfully conservative of you although I am sure that isn’t how you meant it.
 

Republicans Love Freedom More Than They Fear COVID​

By Andy Biggs

May 20, 2021 DailyWire.com

Democratic Presidential Candidate Joe Biden wears two masks as he arrives in Fort Lauderdale, Florida on October 13, 2020. - Joe Biden headed for Florida on Tuesday to court elderly Americans who helped elect Donald Trump four years ago but appear to be swinging to the Democratic candidate for the White House this time around amid the coronavirus pandemic. Biden, at 77 the oldest Democratic nominee ever, is to deliver his vision for older Americans at an event in the city of Pembroke Pines, north of Miami, his campaign said. (Photo by JIM WATSON / AFP) (Photo by JIM WATSON/AFP via Getty Images)
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The radical Left has taken over the leadership of the Democratic Party and now poses the greatest threat to freedom in American history. The rise of the Neo-Fascists at the helm of the Democratic Party is based on the greatest motivator in politics: fear.
They are without love of country. In fact, they hate America. They promote their radical policies through dread and emotion, which promotes division and creates fissures in the foundation of America’s government.


Former Communist, and converted Capitalist and public commentator, David Horowitz, wrote long ago that the most persuasive force in politics is fear. And Democrat leaders are not afraid to use the fear tactic to drive their narratives and achieve their desired outcomes.
An example of their fear mongering can be seen as Democrats maniacally scream, “follow the science” regarding COVID-19, until it no longer suits their purpose of controlling a compliant American populace. They continue to promote fear and urge ongoing programs that wipe out freedom and perpetuate government control.
Republicans love freedom more than they fear COVID. Democrats remain controllable by nefarious politicians because their party is one of emotion, driven by panic.


The hysteria fomented by Leftists that dominate the Democrats has been on full display in Congress. Democrats like to call the Capitol the “Temple of Democracy,” but they have tried to dismantle the institution using suspicion based on unfounded fears.
Before President Joe Biden’s speech to a joint session of Congress, every member of Congress attending was required to go through multiple metal detector screenings and take a COVID test before being allowed to enter the House Chamber.
Do Congressional leaders truly believe that a member of Congress poses a physical threat to the President or any of their congressional colleagues? No. The Capitol Police chief has admitted that there is no reason to suspect any member of Congress will do harm to anyone else in Congress.

So, why does Nancy Pelosi require members of Congress to submit to a magnetometer screening and a “wanding” by Capitol Police before we enter the House chamber? Because Democrats have irrational fears of Republicans. Nancy Pelosi uses that fear to gain control over members of Congress. It gives her more power. And she likes power.
To attend President Biden’s uninspiring speech, the 200 invitees had to be tested for COVID. We were spaced out so that we couldn’t have a conversation with each other, and were warned not to physically engage.
I had a whole row to myself.

The President, of course, spoke without a mask, which was a violation of Nancy Pelosi’s edicts at the time.
Even with those over-the-top precautions, Democrats remained frightened. In a mostly empty room, with attendees who have perhaps the highest per capita COVID vaccine rate in the country, a good number of Democrats were double-masked.
The fearful among us now control the U.S. House, U.S. Senate, and the Presidency.
Americans have always looked to the future with courage and curiosity. Republicans will continue to boldly and optimistically move forward. We cannot cower in a corner with the authoritarians of the Democrat Party who now wish to control us through their incessant stoking of anxiety and panic.
To be a free people, Americans must reject the submission sought by Democrats, and embrace our roots of individual freedom, choice, and accountability.
 
Here is an interesting mask story: I'm vacationing in the Smoky Mountains for 2 weeks and on the way down I stopped in Virginia, just north of the Tennessee border and go into a Wall Mart that was pretty crowded, and almost everyone is still wearing masks, though Walmart doesn't require it. I get to Gatlinburg which is extremely crowded and you can't find anyone wearing masks accept for a few people working in restaurants. Can't say it's just Tennessee folks because there are plenty of people from all over here. Maybe people in their communities will still wear them, but go on vacation and forget about them.

Go ahead and put that in your book. Sounds like you have a bestseller on your hands.
 
Here is an interesting mask story: I'm vacationing in the Smoky Mountains for 2 weeks and on the way down I stopped in Virginia, just north of the Tennessee border and go into a Wall Mart that was pretty crowded, and almost everyone is still wearing masks, though Walmart doesn't require it. I get to Gatlinburg which is extremely crowded and you can't find anyone wearing masks accept for a few people working in restaurants. Can't say it's just Tennessee folks because there are plenty of people from all over here. Maybe people in their communities will still wear them, but go on vacation and forget about them.
Tennessee is a free state. Virginia is not.
 
Thank you for a great argument against government funded healthcare! That sounded awfully conservative of you although I am sure that isn’t how you meant it.

He's really not that bright, at all. Have a 7 watt night-light bulb in the bathroom that's brighter.
 
Here is an interesting mask story: go into a Wall Mart ...

I read it twice. I'm not sure I could even gather what his point was. Maybe it was how much he loves Walmart? Dude's on vacation and apparently visiting all the Walmarts he can find.

See the mistake you made there, Tim? 21IQ was shopping for a new wall and visiting "Wall Mart," not the popular grocery outlet/purveyor of cheap **** from China, Walmart.
 
We've all seen it play out time and time again with Branch Covidian mask-worshippers

That's some good wordplay right there. Just off the top of my head: Tibs Hungvidian. Foggy Branch. Trollokoresh. Covid-21.
 
It's obvious that you fancy yourself some kind of intellectual. But here's further proof you're just not that smart because your response shows your complete lack of understanding of WHY it was pointed out that India has socialized medicine. The point is over your head.
What I understand stand is that most Americans who criticize socialized medicine strangely don’t oppose Medicare.
 
A raging, 5-alarm fire......

I have posted countless articles about the Lockdown bigots, who can't let it go. Who salivate over it. Love it, in fact. Want it to continue because they love the control, the fear.

It's really sick.

But in reality....

US Population: 332.7Million
India Population: 1.39Billion

India Deaths/million: 206

TWO HUNDRED SIX....as of today...

Out of all countries measured, they rank 108. ONE HUNDRED EIGTH in deaths per million......

0.0002 of their population has succumbed to COVID......

Comparatively,

0.002 of Brazilians have lost their lives
0.02 of Belgians have lost their lives

But India is a RAGING 5 ALARM FIRE!!!!!!!

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Keep everyone afraid of a virus that has a 99.97% survival rate. Run! Hide!!!!!
Two months ago, on March 20th, India had 188 deaths. Yesterday they had 3,874, 20 X more.

Perspective, Tim, perspective.
 
Two months ago, on March 20th, India had 188 deaths. Yesterday they had 3,874, 20 X more.

Perspective, Tim, perspective.
but they have centralized healthcare.

aside from that, you're also comparing a country's social environment, infrastructure and religious beliefs with ours. Now, if I were to "follow the science" and do that to a T, I'd click on this link...


but since you will not, I'll copy/paste some of it for you to read over. The link I just posted is called "citing a reference". You may want to add that to any notebook you may have.

Why is the world’s largest COVID-19 vaccine campaign faltering?​


By Jon CohenMay. 19, 2021 , 4:45 PM

Reporting for this story was supported by the Pulitzer Center.

MUMBAI, VELLORE, AND NEW DELHI, INDIA—
On a Sunday morning in early April, as Mumbai was in a daze from the first weeks of a surge of COVID-19 and had instituted nighttime curfews, Baliram Boomkar asked his neighbors in the city’s Kaula Bandar slum whether they wanted a vaccine to protect them or had received one. Some said they had but only because their employers required it. One man said he’d get vaccinated if his company gave him time off to recover from side effects. “COVID is nothing,” he said. “People are only spreading rumors. It’s all a lie.” A woman said she was afraid to get the shot because the clinic might test her for COVID-19, find she’s positive, and then force her to quarantine—as happened last year. “I know I can’t avoid the vaccine, but I want to be the last in the queue,” she said.

“Lots of people [here] don’t believe that COVID exists and that God will provide if something happens,” said Boomkar, who lives in the slum and works as a “barefoot researcher” for the nongovernmental organization Pukar, which conducts health-related studies and also tries to improve living conditions. “They think it’s all politics.” The use of masks, despite the barefoot researchers distributing them and stressing their benefits, remained sparse.

A month later, India’s COVID-19 surge has become a tsunami, with hospitals overwhelmed and funeral pyres burning throughout the nights. Yet the country’s vaccination campaign is languishing, with less than 3% of Indians fully vaccinated as of 16 May. Widespread shortages of the shots have forced some vaccination clinics to shutter; at others, lines often form hours before they open. Some states are limiting doses to people older than 45, and to extend supplies, the government has recommended stretching the intervals between shots of the country’s most heavily used vaccine, Covishield, a version of the AstraZeneca–University of Oxford vaccine produced by the Serum Institute of India. But supply is only half of the dilemma.


Moving vaccines into arms in this country of 1.3 billion means reaching remote, difficult-to-access regions and tackling the profound divides between the lower and upper classes. And like almost everywhere in the world, India must confront the perplexing challenge of vaccine hesitancy. It’s now widespread in Indian society, far from limited to the slums that Pukar helps, but it is a new problem here. “India never had vaccine hesitancy” until COVID-19, says virologist Shahid Jameel, who directs the Trivedi School of Biosciences at Ashoka University.

Past mass vaccination campaigns in India have focused on children. Adults, even the wealthiest, do not routinely get immunized against influenza, shingles, pneumococcal disease, or anything else. “You won’t have too many adults asking for a vaccine, and you won’t have too many doctors prescribing it either,” says Renu Swarup, who heads the government’s Department of Biotechnology. “There is a lot of advocacy that we have to do to bring the public on board.”​

 
Two months ago, on March 20th, India had 188 deaths. Yesterday they had 3,874, 20 X more.

Perspective, Tim, perspective.

Perspective is all I put into that post. No surprise you don't see it.

Let's define it, shall we. Perspective: the capacity to view things in their true relations or relative importance

Relative importance. That's what's critical and that's what I showed, the relative nature of this fear mongering.

Relative to their population, they've been barely scathed.
Relative to the rest of the world, they are faring incredibly well overall.

Calling it a five alarm fire is exactly the opposite of PERSPECTIVE.

291,365. That is their total number of deaths. Total. Their population is 1.392 BILLION. 0.020932318128728% of their population has died from COVID.

Relative to the rest of the world, India did NOT have a first wave like others.

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Relative to Pakistan, their neighbor, they did not have the typical first wave.

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Relative to their population, a 20x increase is akin to saying a northern state had 1 boating fatality in January and 20 in June.

Run away! Run away!

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Like the rest of the world, their cases and deaths will also subside.

Keep things relative HypoFlog
 
but they have centralized healthcare.

aside from that, you're also comparing a country's social environment, infrastructure and religious beliefs with ours. Now, if I were to "follow the science" and do that to a T, I'd click on this link...


but since you will not, I'll copy/paste some of it for you to read over. The link I just posted is called "citing a reference". You may want to add that to any notebook you may have.

Why is the world’s largest COVID-19 vaccine campaign faltering?​


By Jon CohenMay. 19, 2021 , 4:45 PM

Reporting for this story was supported by the Pulitzer Center.

MUMBAI, VELLORE, AND NEW DELHI, INDIA—
On a Sunday morning in early April, as Mumbai was in a daze from the first weeks of a surge of COVID-19 and had instituted nighttime curfews, Baliram Boomkar asked his neighbors in the city’s Kaula Bandar slum whether they wanted a vaccine to protect them or had received one. Some said they had but only because their employers required it. One man said he’d get vaccinated if his company gave him time off to recover from side effects. “COVID is nothing,” he said. “People are only spreading rumors. It’s all a lie.” A woman said she was afraid to get the shot because the clinic might test her for COVID-19, find she’s positive, and then force her to quarantine—as happened last year. “I know I can’t avoid the vaccine, but I want to be the last in the queue,” she said.

“Lots of people [here] don’t believe that COVID exists and that God will provide if something happens,” said Boomkar, who lives in the slum and works as a “barefoot researcher” for the nongovernmental organization Pukar, which conducts health-related studies and also tries to improve living conditions. “They think it’s all politics.” The use of masks, despite the barefoot researchers distributing them and stressing their benefits, remained sparse.

A month later, India’s COVID-19 surge has become a tsunami, with hospitals overwhelmed and funeral pyres burning throughout the nights. Yet the country’s vaccination campaign is languishing, with less than 3% of Indians fully vaccinated as of 16 May. Widespread shortages of the shots have forced some vaccination clinics to shutter; at others, lines often form hours before they open. Some states are limiting doses to people older than 45, and to extend supplies, the government has recommended stretching the intervals between shots of the country’s most heavily used vaccine, Covishield, a version of the AstraZeneca–University of Oxford vaccine produced by the Serum Institute of India. But supply is only half of the dilemma.


Moving vaccines into arms in this country of 1.3 billion means reaching remote, difficult-to-access regions and tackling the profound divides between the lower and upper classes. And like almost everywhere in the world, India must confront the perplexing challenge of vaccine hesitancy. It’s now widespread in Indian society, far from limited to the slums that Pukar helps, but it is a new problem here. “India never had vaccine hesitancy” until COVID-19, says virologist Shahid Jameel, who directs the Trivedi School of Biosciences at Ashoka University.

Past mass vaccination campaigns in India have focused on children. Adults, even the wealthiest, do not routinely get immunized against influenza, shingles, pneumococcal disease, or anything else. “You won’t have too many adults asking for a vaccine, and you won’t have too many doctors prescribing it either,” says Renu Swarup, who heads the government’s Department of Biotechnology. “There is a lot of advocacy that we have to do to bring the public on board.”​

Why didn’t you bold the paragraph about people thinking it’s a political hoax and a lack of mask usage?
 
Perspective is all I put into that post. No surprise you don't see it.

Let's define it, shall we. Perspective: the capacity to view things in their true relations or relative importance

Relative importance. That's what's critical and that's what I showed, the relative nature of this fear mongering.

Relative to their population, they've been barely scathed.
Relative to the rest of the world, they are faring incredibly well overall.

Calling it a five alarm fire is exactly the opposite of PERSPECTIVE.

291,365. That is their total number of deaths. Total. Their population is 1.392 BILLION. 0.020932318128728% of their population has died from COVID.

Relative to the rest of the world, India did NOT have a first wave like others.

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Relative to Pakistan, their neighbor, they did not have the typical first wave.

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Relative to their population, a 20x increase is akin to saying a northern state had 1 boating fatality in January and 20 in June.

Run away! Run away!

200w.gif


Like the rest of the world, their cases and deaths will also subside.

Keep things relative HypoFlog
So they needed to catch up relative to their population. Another great opportunity for an op-Ed.
 
So they needed to catch up relative to their population. Another great opportunity for an op-Ed.

No dumbass. Another loss for you.

India, as reported and talked about here isn't a 5 alarm fire. It's more fear mongering, no different than the ABC article talking about what a "**** show" Florida was because of Spring Break.....

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Yeah...that ABC article aged well.
 
No dumbass. Another loss for you.

India, as reported and talked about here isn't a 5 alarm fire. It's more fear mongering, no different than the ABC article talking about what a "**** show" Florida was because of Spring Break.....

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Yeah...that ABC article aged well.
I’m going to need to see more graphs...
 
Flog sure likes getting flogged.
 
What I understand stand is that most Americans who criticize socialized medicine strangely don’t oppose Medicare.

Sigh ... you make this too easy, Floggy. Okay, socialized medicine = Medicare.

So the medical coverage will be provided only, repeat ONLY, to those (1) who paid into the system for a minimum of 10 years, (2) are at least 65 years old, and (3) are an American citizen. If you are not an American citizen, then you qualify ONLY if you paid in to social security and Medicare for at least 10 years and are currently receiving social security, SSDI, or railroad retirement income. Also, if you are not a citizen, and meet those criteria, then you qualify only for hospitalization (Part A it's called) and not for routine medical care unless you pay for it (Part B).

Great. Pay in to the system for at least 10 years and get the medical insurance at age 65 if you are a citizen.

Is that what you mean by "socialized medicine"?

Liberals. Are they stupid because they're liberal, or are they liberal because they're stupid?
 
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