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Covid Vaccine

Tim Steelersfan said:
Wow, what a crock of ****. I'm stupider for having read that. First it's an opinion piece, not a news article. Second, it came from CNN, an agency that admitted it has been pushing fear porn over COVID for political reasons. Third, I should have stopped at this point: "Vaccinations, long rightly heralded as miracles of modern medicine that have saved millions of lives, are suddenly ideologically divisive along party lines."

Where the opinion writer fails is by lumping these vaccines in with ALL vaccines and calling them equals.

They are not. The rest of the vaccines I have had and everyone else get are TESTED vaccines. Tested for years. Tested on animals. Tested in control groups.

These vaccines weren't.

So at the very beginning of the OPINION piece, she starts off by equating these vaccines with other vaccines and infers they are normal and the same.

Wrong.
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Tucker Carlson, by his own definition, is also an opinion piece not to be taken seriously, that didn’t stop you from posting his rants.

The Covid vaccines were tested in control groups. They wouldn’t know the efficacy without them. No, they weren’t tested for years as most people desperately wanted the goddamned pandemic to end and didn’t want to wait for years to end it.
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
Makes you wonder if that comes true. Who’s the class action suite going to be against? Big pharm can simply state big govt pushed, mandated it. That will be a mess.
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Vaccines are protected from lawsuits. There are also certain med devices and such that fall under the scope of preemption that protect them against lawsuits - typically level III - life saving.
 
oneforthebus said:
Have there never been vaccines required for travel, employment or school before? Public health workers pushing vaccines is something new? https://www.redcross.org/about-us/o...-services/measles-and-rubella-initiative.html
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Of course there have been. Vaccines are warranted or small pox. It actually IS very deadly. COVID...not so much. If this were ebola, believe me I would be down in a second. It's deadly.

To do all of this for the flu, essentially what this is? No.
https://www.redcross.org/about-us/o...-services/measles-and-rubella-initiative.html
oneforthebus said:
What I don't get is why people think there is something nefarious about this. What does the government have to gain by pushing this? Not money, it's costing them billions. Persuading people to get a vaccine is some kind of mind control technique? What? I just don't get the working theory.
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And on the contrary, we don't get the opposite. If the disease is not that deadly, if 150+million Americans have natural immunity, if 158Million Americans have been vaccinated, given where we are with cases/deaths...WHY is the Government hell bent on vaccinating everyone, including infants?

I don't believe it is nefarious. Not enough info to make that conclusion. It, however, does not add up. Again, if this were ebola, I'd be out campaigning. It's the flu for most of us. But it is being treated like the black death.

Doesn't add up.
 
Troglodyte said:
Tucker Carlson, by his own definition, is also an opinion piece not to be taken seriously, that didn’t stop you from posting his rants.

The Covid vaccines were tested in control groups. They wouldn’t know the efficacy without them. No, they weren’t tested for years as most people desperately wanted the goddamned pandemic to end and didn’t want to wait for years to end it.
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As SoOpid said, epic fail. Tucker is a television host and news commentator and pretty ******* brilliant. You posted the opinion of a Democratic Tennessean.

Apple? Meet orange.

The vaccines weren't thoroughly tested. Thus...they have more adverse events than 70 other vaccines in total over the past 30 years. Lack of testing will show to be correlated to elevated adverse events.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
As SoOpid said, epic fail. Tucker is a television host and news commentator and pretty ******* brilliant. You posted the opinion of a Democratic Tennessean.

Apple? Meet orange.

The vaccines weren't thoroughly tested. Thus...they have more adverse events than 70 other vaccines in total over the past 30 years. Lack of testing will show to be correlated to elevated adverse events.
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And lack of vaccinations will show to be correlated with an ongoing pandemic and Covid deaths. I’ll take the extremely rare adverse events of the vaccine.
 
Troglodyte said:
And deaths are rising too…
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Now you are using the Massachusetts math you railed on yesterday. "But, but, but Tim it's still only a dozen cases"

Now you point to the US going from 197 cases one day to 330 and scream OMG!!! Show me a trend, I'll pay attention. Let's focus on 14 days. Because you are calling our levels rising cases. Track from June 18 when we were at 392 deaths. Yesterday was 330. Despite tiny ups and downs in those numbers, deaths have remained flat.

We have averaged 256 deaths per day for nearly a month with ups and downs from 392 to 104, but you're chanting deaths are rising. Yep. SMH.

US Deaths for the ill-informed:

DATEDEATHS
June 18392
June 19244
June 20144
June 21243
June 22429
June 23380
June 24386
June 25368
June 26203
June 27130
June 28167
June 29313
June 30300
July 1317
July 2322
July 3153
July 4113
July 5117
July 6237
July 7266
July 8337
July 9319
July 10182
July 11104
July 12171
July 13307
 
that's just wrong, Tim. Your numbers after June 26 just skip over an almost full tab. no one can read that.
 
Troglodyte said:
And lack of vaccinations will show to be correlated with an ongoing pandemic and Covid deaths. I’ll take the extremely rare adverse events of the vaccine.
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Thanks for admitting that you are an eradication ideologue. You believe we can get rid of COVID and until we do, you will want to force mankind to live under these draconian rules for a virus that is the flu for those of us working age or under.

Scary.

I'll take the extremely rare chance of death from COVID over injecting vaccines that are more dangerous than all other vaccines combined.
 
steel dino said:
Whats the over/under on the next lockdown date?
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i doubt there will be one. Mortgage bankers are holding against any other lockdown, as banks are losing billions and billions. those are the same people who finance election campaigns.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Thanks for admitting that you are an eradication ideologue. You believe we can get rid of COVID and until we do, you will want to force mankind to live under these draconian rules for a virus that is the flu for those of us working age or under.
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Floggy is interested only in traff ... ehh, "safety."

Does Floggy lose a nickel on lockdowns? No.

Does Floggy make a little more coin from the lockdowns? Yes.

Does Floggy have a much, MUCH easier commute with lockdowns? Yes.

Can Floggy still vacation in non-lockdown states during the lockdowns? You bet.

Conclusion: Lockdowns good.
 
Steeltime said:
Floggy is interested only in traff ... ehh, "safety."

Does Floggy lose a nickel on lockdowns? No.

Does Floggy make a little more coin from the lockdowns? Yes.

Does Floggy have a much, MUCH easier commute with lockdowns? Yes.

Can Floggy still vacation in non-lockdown states during the lockdowns? You bet.

Conclusion: Lockdowns good.
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please correct that to:
Can Floggy still vacation in non-lockdown states during the lockdowns with less traffic and population allowing him/her/them/they to have a more enjoyable vacation? goddamn right
 
oneforthebus said:
Digusting? Really?
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That might be a strong word, but it can be exploitative & manipulative, and it's especially not pretty with animals. Knew someone who worked as a veterinary technician and operating room anesthetist for rhesus macaques and it's really not something people want to see. In the name of medical advancement against actual deadly viruses, okay though, sure.
 
oneforthebus said:
Have there never been vaccines required for travel, employment or school before? Public health workers pushing vaccines is something new? https://www.redcross.org/about-us/o...-services/measles-and-rubella-initiative.html

What I don't get is why people think there is something nefarious about this. What does the government have to gain by pushing this? Not money, it's costing them billions. Persuading people to get a vaccine is some kind of mind control technique? What? I just don't get the working theory.
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correction, please.
it's not costing anyone in government anything at all. its costing taxpayers. not a single government employee is or has lost a penny to the vax being created and administered. the check for that will be dropped on the taxpayer table soon enough.
 
oneforthebus said:
LOL easy to lay down that challenge now when you are largely protected from getting covid because of all of the people who did get the vaccine (as well as natural immunity).
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I simply said let's revisit this in two years and see where we're at. But thank you for getting the vaccine so that I can be healthy, as that's the only thing that was going to keep me alive and healthy, okay.
 
Badcat said:
Here is the link to the data. I downloaded the full spread sheet, sorted it by those who died and removed those who didn't die. Then, I sorted by age.

VAERS Data
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Huge file. I downloaded it, sorted it. Interesting depressing stuff. Just some highlights...data is ONLY from 2021, obviously.

19 infants died 2 and under. Some were literally months old. People are getting INFANTS injected with these vaccines??
9 were 15 and under...deaths like heart failure, brain hemorrhaging, clots
12 were 16-18 years old...heart attacks, blood clots (2 were suicides, not sure why they would list those)
34 deaths, 19-25 years old...blood clots, heart attacks, brain hemorrhaging.

Crazy stuff. The ones I found interesting were how many occurred with 1-2 days of the vax, or some the same day.

Still small numbers...but this is an age group that doesn't need these vaccines IMHO.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Huge file. I downloaded it, sorted it. Interesting depressing stuff. Just some highlights...data is ONLY from 2021, obviously.

19 infants died 2 and under. Some were literally months old. People are getting INFANTS injected with these vaccines??
9 were 15 and under...deaths like heart failure, brain hemorrhaging, clots
12 were 16-18 years old...heart attacks, blood clots (2 were suicides, not sure why they would list those)
34 deaths, 19-25 years old...blood clots, heart attacks, brain hemorrhaging.

Crazy stuff. The ones I found interesting were how many occurred with 1-2 days of the vax, or some the same day.

Still small numbers...but this is an age group that doesn't need these vaccines IMHO.
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Fauxci's said the plan is for newborns to get the vax
 
Superman said:
correction, please.
it's not costing anyone in government anything at all. its costing taxpayers. not a single government employee is or has lost a penny to the vax being created and administered. the check for that will be dropped on the taxpayer table soon enough.
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Not entirely true. I am a government employee and I pay taxes just like you. So I've lost a few pennies.

You know, you guys have a lot of ideas about government employees, and most of them are wrong. I WISH my job was what you guys believe it to be. I'd be a lot happier, I'm sure of that.
 
Sarge said:
Not entirely true. I am a government employee and I pay taxes just like you. So I've lost a few pennies.

You know, you guys have a lot of ideas about government employees, and most of them are wrong. I WISH my job was what you guys believe it to be. I'd be a lot happier, I'm sure of that.
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So your saying it’s a myth about the strip club meetings from noon to one? Damn.
 
Sarge said:
Not entirely true. I am a government employee and I pay taxes just like you. So I've lost a few pennies.

You know, you guys have a lot of ideas about government employees, and most of them are wrong. I WISH my job was what you guys believe it to be. I'd be a lot happier, I'm sure of that.
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I probably shouldn't speak on behalf of Supid. Really dangerous. But I don't believe that is what he meant. It's costing taxpayers, is his point, and we recognize you are one. Saying it's not costing anyone in the government anything didn't mean individuals as taxpayers, but meant instead it's not costing the agencies anything.

He can butcher me if I'm wrong.
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
So your saying it’s a myth about the strip club meetings from noon to one? Damn.
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Where do you think he just typed his reply from...after the lap dance was over of course.
 
Has the country, and the world for that matter benefited from the vaccine, absolutely.

Would the vaccine have saved the hundreds that are currently dying every day now, possibly, but with no certainty.

Will this virus ever be completely eradicated, I doubt it.

The question still comes down to, what is the benefit of vaccinating the young and healthy? The risk/benefit doesn't warrant it, but I am open to listening to facts that would prove me wrong in that view. If only opinions can be supplied, well then, I guess we'll disagree on this.
 
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