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Your source? 35k-70k vs. 600k, same?
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Not even sure what the point of that article was other than to prove that protection form the original shots isn't what they had hoped for. I have been telling yo all along this is a virus and it will require annual preventative shots just like the flu and only have limited effectiveness. No matter how many shots we get this is never going away just like H1N1 is now just a part of the annual flu shot. The fear pron has got to go away. NO ONE should be forced to take shot for a disease you can't eliminate and has such a low mortality rate. Get them if you want I am not against them but this isn't ebola or polio.Science from the man that developed the Rubella vaccine for those of you willing to accept it…
The debate over Covid-19 vaccine boosters and what to call them
A look at various issues surrounding plans to administer an additional dose of Covid-19 vaccine amid signs of waning protection.www.statnews.com
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Pay some ******* attention dipshit. I said it spreads faster but it isn't much more lethal. more cases means more dead but it doesn't mean a larger percentage die.
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And 600,000 is a bullshit number by the Governments own admittance. It includes cases that did not die due to Covid. It is way over stated due to a lack of causality included in the totals. Do that and I would wager a large sum that the number is a third less easily.
Just the flu.
Kentucky governor says state is in "dire" situation from coronavirus surge
Beshear called for an emergency legislative session to deal with COVID-19 surge in the state.www.axios.com
“If I had the ability to do it right now, we would have a masking order when you are in public and indoors,” Beshear told NBC. “We know that’s a proven way to slow the spread of the virus and ultimately help our health care capacity.”
“Our situation is dire,” he added
WTF, you're not quoting bags full of lies from Rolling Stone today? Tryna work up some legit sources this time?
Science from the man that developed the Rubella vaccine for those of you willing to accept it…
The debate over Covid-19 vaccine boosters and what to call them
A look at various issues surrounding plans to administer an additional dose of Covid-19 vaccine amid signs of waning protection.
Do you bother to read what you post?
The article is about semantics. Do they call the next shot a BOOSTER or a THIRD mRNA shot? Then....he and they are "hoping" 3 shots provides lasting defense.
SMDH. I've said it before - you suck at the link game.
No causality is needed or required for Covid deaths. All deaths are deaths, not to be questioned.
Causality must be proven with a fine tooth comb however for VAERS reported adverse events - in 100% of the cases, period.
No double standard at all going on.
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Amazing, isn't it? Adverse events and deaths would probably fill the Rose Bowl or at least Heinz Field at this point or close to it and it's a non-story to be "fact checked."
But you know, the communists have always played loose with numbers and mortality. Like Stalin or one of them said to the effect "one death is a tragedy, a millions deaths are a statistic."
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OK, so you didn’t read the entire article, or it went over your head?
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So you didn’t read the entire article?
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Right, another coincidence that total deaths increased by the same amount as Covid deaths.
If it’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a coincidence…
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What difference does it make if it results in many more deaths?
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Because there isn't a damn thing you can do about it and your odds are not really any different if you get it or the flu. Even unvaccinated the odds are damn good you will live. This isn't the bubonic plague . If you are worried take the poke but don't tell others they have to when it doesn't lower the chances of spreading only brings the chance from slim to slimmer of dying, just like the the flu. You and others just can't grasp the facts. You have built this up to some world ending virus when in reality it is nuisance that kills very very few of those who contracted. The numbers of deaths are only because many get it and they don't bother to differentiate between the causes of death. So don't bother telling me 600,000 have died simply form Covid because it is known bullshit.
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Nope again you ignore all the real evidence that many of those are attributable to increases in excess death from other sources above the normal. No you are chicken little ignoring that a good percentage of the excess deaths would have been avoided by NOT shutting down everything and keeping people from seeking medical care when they needed it.
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No, he did you didn't. Or simply lack the comprehension needed to understand it.
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This is good read concerning the futility and lack of nuance in the public policy approach:
https://www.americanthinker.com/art...mands_simple_answers_to_complex_problems.html
By Ted Noel, MD
Early twentieth-century satirist H.L. Mencken quipped, "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." The ongoing COVID-19 disaster illustrates the truth of Mencken's Meta-Law.
We have a virus afflicting us. Wait! That's not true. We have multiple viruses, and alpha, beta, gamma, delta, lambda, and who knows how many other variants of COVID. Yet the answer given by the CDC, Fauci, Biden, and PMSNBC is that we have to wear masks, get vaxxed, socially distance, and maybe lock down. Those are simple solutions to a much more complicated problem than those problem-solvers are willing to admit. Let's break it down.
There are at least five notable variants that were originally called Brazilian, Indian, and so on. But politically correct authorities decided that, like with hurricanes, we can't be racist. They have to be named for Greek letters, and that cultural appropriation is OK.
Those viruses aren't identical. We now know that the vaccines don't work equally well on all of them. We know that more variants are coming, and just like the flu shot, a COVID shot is not a COVID shot is not a COVID shot. Today's vaccine won't necessarily give the same immunity for today's variant and tomorrow's variant.
We know that some people are naturally immune to COVID without ever being exposed to either the virus or the vax. We're not sure why, but one suggestion is that they've already been exposed to some other coronavirus. That wouldn't be a surprise because at least two coronaviruses can cause the common cold. Others have recovered from the Wuhan Flu and have more robust immunity to more variants than people who only got the Fauci ouchy. Again, the idea that there is only one real answer, the one proposed by petty tyrants in various government pigeonholes, is simply false.
The next question has to be about age. We learned very early on that the elderly and infirm were at highest risk. The Italian data showed 2.3 serious comorbidities (other illnesses) plus an age of 82 in the average person who died. It turns out that the average life expectancy for those people without COVID was only another seven months.
When we look at younger people, the numbers are radically different. Old people died at about 400 times the rate of young people in the early data. Now we know that the real number is closer to 1,000 times.
When we look at average mortality rates from infection, we find ourselves firmly trapped in Simpson's Paradox. Worldwide, the average mortality from COVID is 0.27%, in the ballpark with seasonal flu. But that number is meaningless without context. In most of the U.S., mortality under age 70 is at or below 0.1%. English data are similar. In the U.K., delta variant infections have a 2.0% mortality in patients over 50, but the death rate below 50 is statistically indistinguishable from zero. Put bluntly, lumping everyone together is guaranteed to yield a bad answer, while separating distinct groups makes good sense. We have to have different answers for elders and young-uns.
This problem continues. If someone arrives at the hospital in extremis with COVID, he probably is in Stage III of the disease. By then, the virus has stopped being a problem. The body's "cytokine storm" has taken over.
If you use antivirals in Stage III, they'll do bupkis because SARS CoV-2 is long gone. That's why Remdesivir did so poorly in the original COVID trials. It's also why HCQ doesn't do well in ICU patients. Its antiviral effects have no virus left to work on. But if you use antivirals in the early stage of the infection, when there's lots of virus around, they can be very good. There are at least thirteen outpatient treatment protocols that address this issue.
Once again, we have a complex problem, and the simple answer is wrong. The CDC has pushed its favored high-dollar therapies for advanced cases at the same time another government agency published multiple studies showing that "large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin," just to note one of them.
Fauci and the CDC are pushing universal vaccination, while efficacy of the vaccines is waning. Their answer is to double down on stupid, forgetting that the death rate from COVID in the young and healthy approximates zero. They don't even spread the bug very well, so they don't need the vax. And they are prone to heart inflammation and miscarriages from the shot. If they get sick with the actual virus, they can use the very inexpensive cocktail that India used with nearly universal success.
We cannot leave the issue of complex questions without discussing masks. There are literally dozens of studies on masking. None of them provides high confidence that masking by the general public has any benefit in reducing the spread of COVID. Without high confidence, an intervention should not be used. I, for one, have been highly critical of mechanistic studies. They accurately measure physical processes, but so far, they have not been able to cross the divide from the mechanical arena to the biological universe.
There is one area where masking has proven benefit: COVID units in hospitals. In those portions of the hospital, the presumed high intensity of virus in the air is beaten by high-quality N-95 masks or better, but only when properly fitted, worn, and disposed of. Masks that don't fit tightly actually increase the risk of infection. And once again, Simpson's Paradox strikes us squarely in the face. If you have different populations in different circumstances, they will have different responses to interventions. Estrogen receptor–positive breast cancer requires a different treatment from triple-negative breast cancer. Ditto for a host of other diseases. Every real doctor has learned this.
"Doctor" Fauci and his minions are a one-note samba. Mask, distance, vax! Rinse and repeat. They are presenting a simple answer to a complex question. The list of their errors is too long and distinguished to tackle here. And they are so wrong that it's impossible to express the revulsion they should create in every sentient being. Their prescriptions are responsible for uncountable deaths and untold misery. Mencken was right, but the proper answer appears to be, "Beam me up Scotty! There's no intelligent life down here."
https://www.americanthinker.com/art...mands_simple_answers_to_complex_problems.html
By Ted Noel, MD
Early twentieth-century satirist H.L. Mencken quipped, "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." The ongoing COVID-19 disaster illustrates the truth of Mencken's Meta-Law.
We have a virus afflicting us. Wait! That's not true. We have multiple viruses, and alpha, beta, gamma, delta, lambda, and who knows how many other variants of COVID. Yet the answer given by the CDC, Fauci, Biden, and PMSNBC is that we have to wear masks, get vaxxed, socially distance, and maybe lock down. Those are simple solutions to a much more complicated problem than those problem-solvers are willing to admit. Let's break it down.
There are at least five notable variants that were originally called Brazilian, Indian, and so on. But politically correct authorities decided that, like with hurricanes, we can't be racist. They have to be named for Greek letters, and that cultural appropriation is OK.
Those viruses aren't identical. We now know that the vaccines don't work equally well on all of them. We know that more variants are coming, and just like the flu shot, a COVID shot is not a COVID shot is not a COVID shot. Today's vaccine won't necessarily give the same immunity for today's variant and tomorrow's variant.
We know that some people are naturally immune to COVID without ever being exposed to either the virus or the vax. We're not sure why, but one suggestion is that they've already been exposed to some other coronavirus. That wouldn't be a surprise because at least two coronaviruses can cause the common cold. Others have recovered from the Wuhan Flu and have more robust immunity to more variants than people who only got the Fauci ouchy. Again, the idea that there is only one real answer, the one proposed by petty tyrants in various government pigeonholes, is simply false.
The next question has to be about age. We learned very early on that the elderly and infirm were at highest risk. The Italian data showed 2.3 serious comorbidities (other illnesses) plus an age of 82 in the average person who died. It turns out that the average life expectancy for those people without COVID was only another seven months.
When we look at younger people, the numbers are radically different. Old people died at about 400 times the rate of young people in the early data. Now we know that the real number is closer to 1,000 times.
When we look at average mortality rates from infection, we find ourselves firmly trapped in Simpson's Paradox. Worldwide, the average mortality from COVID is 0.27%, in the ballpark with seasonal flu. But that number is meaningless without context. In most of the U.S., mortality under age 70 is at or below 0.1%. English data are similar. In the U.K., delta variant infections have a 2.0% mortality in patients over 50, but the death rate below 50 is statistically indistinguishable from zero. Put bluntly, lumping everyone together is guaranteed to yield a bad answer, while separating distinct groups makes good sense. We have to have different answers for elders and young-uns.
This problem continues. If someone arrives at the hospital in extremis with COVID, he probably is in Stage III of the disease. By then, the virus has stopped being a problem. The body's "cytokine storm" has taken over.
If you use antivirals in Stage III, they'll do bupkis because SARS CoV-2 is long gone. That's why Remdesivir did so poorly in the original COVID trials. It's also why HCQ doesn't do well in ICU patients. Its antiviral effects have no virus left to work on. But if you use antivirals in the early stage of the infection, when there's lots of virus around, they can be very good. There are at least thirteen outpatient treatment protocols that address this issue.
Once again, we have a complex problem, and the simple answer is wrong. The CDC has pushed its favored high-dollar therapies for advanced cases at the same time another government agency published multiple studies showing that "large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin," just to note one of them.
Fauci and the CDC are pushing universal vaccination, while efficacy of the vaccines is waning. Their answer is to double down on stupid, forgetting that the death rate from COVID in the young and healthy approximates zero. They don't even spread the bug very well, so they don't need the vax. And they are prone to heart inflammation and miscarriages from the shot. If they get sick with the actual virus, they can use the very inexpensive cocktail that India used with nearly universal success.
We cannot leave the issue of complex questions without discussing masks. There are literally dozens of studies on masking. None of them provides high confidence that masking by the general public has any benefit in reducing the spread of COVID. Without high confidence, an intervention should not be used. I, for one, have been highly critical of mechanistic studies. They accurately measure physical processes, but so far, they have not been able to cross the divide from the mechanical arena to the biological universe.
There is one area where masking has proven benefit: COVID units in hospitals. In those portions of the hospital, the presumed high intensity of virus in the air is beaten by high-quality N-95 masks or better, but only when properly fitted, worn, and disposed of. Masks that don't fit tightly actually increase the risk of infection. And once again, Simpson's Paradox strikes us squarely in the face. If you have different populations in different circumstances, they will have different responses to interventions. Estrogen receptor–positive breast cancer requires a different treatment from triple-negative breast cancer. Ditto for a host of other diseases. Every real doctor has learned this.
"Doctor" Fauci and his minions are a one-note samba. Mask, distance, vax! Rinse and repeat. They are presenting a simple answer to a complex question. The list of their errors is too long and distinguished to tackle here. And they are so wrong that it's impossible to express the revulsion they should create in every sentient being. Their prescriptions are responsible for uncountable deaths and untold misery. Mencken was right, but the proper answer appears to be, "Beam me up Scotty! There's no intelligent life down here."
I did. That was the major take away. Work on better links. Your arguments are falling apart around you like crumbling walls.
"Booster shots aren't needed" /Floggy
Booster shots being administered now, here...in many countries around the world.
The vaccines are waning. Your persistent denial that they arenn't is the perfect example of ideology.
You've been educated on this time and again, source being your own NYT and CDC data.
ALL deaths increased last year. The increase in overall deaths we saw in the USA was verifiably not 100% due to COVID. Lockdowns destroyed healthcare and deaths were up in like 14 categories last year over norms.
Eyes open Floggy, ditch the ideology.
Again the inflated 600k number is heavily disputed… even just last years numbers the cdc trimmed way over 100k of covid deaths from its initial numbers to its final numbers then revised those at least two times since… tge death rate from covid in a bubble is around 2 to 3 time the typical bad flu…we see this in virtually every closed quarantine event from early covid before any treatments existed
thats still super serious but its not the death sentence people make it out to be when flaunting freedoms and pushing bullshit solutions
question 1. Do you believe in actual repeatable provable science
question 2. Do you trust what government agencies tell you?
question 3. Would you take Hydroxycloroquine, remdesivir, or ivermectin as treatment for covid?
question 2. Do you trust what government agencies tell you?
question 3. Would you take Hydroxycloroquine, remdesivir, or ivermectin as treatment for covid?
BBC presenter Lisa Shaw died of Covid vaccine complications, coroner finds
Shaw died of a brain haemorrhage caused by a blood clot three weeks after her first AstraZeneca dose
www.theguardian.com
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Strawman. You refuse to accept responsibility for being part of the much bigger problem which is not enough people are vaccinated so you try to blame the vaccine waning. If everyone was like you it wouldn’t matter if it had lost all of its effectiveness or none at all.
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Disputed by whom and by how much? People died. Many of them. Many people are still dying 300+/day in Florida alone. It’s not a coincidence that it followed a huge surge in Covid cases there.
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Great article. Thanks.
Why exactly does the government and Pfizer think that using the same Covid flu drug on a different mutation is a good idea? Shouldn't there be a team of the worlds greatest adaptable vaccinologists continually trying to update the Covid flu shot for the next flu strain.....I mean they already do this......why is the Covid flu not getting similar updates?