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Covid Vaccine

Nope, cases are rising so breakthrough cases are rising.

LMAO and holy utter ******* ****???? As I and others have said, you have to be perhaps the stupidest human we have encountered.

If breakthrough cases are just one percent, as cases rise...they will still be...one...percent. SMDH.

Instead, over time, as vaccines wane and cases rise...the % of breakthrough cases has moved up beyond 40% to 41% in MA. The PERCENTAGES increased. The percentages are rising themselves, not just absolute case numbers.

Breakthrough cases are rising because the % of people getting infected who are vaccinated continues to rise.

Good...God. That's 3rd grade math Flogged.
 
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The vaccines still seem to be holding up fairly well, especially considering there has been a change in the dominant variant since the vaccine went into circulation.

Boosters make some sense for the most vulnerable while heading into the winter, but the general public, perhaps not quite as much.

It would be nice to have more comprehensive analysis of the age demographics of breakthrough cases.
 
So this is interesting. I read through this. Smelled of potential BS? Find out this guy is who he says he is. Anyone else heard of this guy, or this?

Peter Schirmacher​

Peter is acting chairman of the German Society of Pathology, director of the Institute of Pathology at Heidelberg University Hospital, and president of the German Association for the Study of the Liver. His research interests include molecular and morphological digestive system carcinogenesis, especially of the liver and pancreas, tumor banking, and virtual microscopy. He has published over 80 peer-reviewed publications and thinks that “pathology has a bright future, with great challenges in molecular diagnostics, biobanking, and innovative imaging approaches.”

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Schirmacher assumes that 30 to 40 percent of them died from the vaccination. In his opinion, the frequency of fatal consequences of vaccinations is underestimated.

The Merkel administration quickly moved to respond to this “politically explosive” statement from Heidelberg. According to the German Press Agency (dpa), the Paul Ehrlich Institute announced that Schirmacher’s statements were “incomprehensible”. The Chancellor’s lackey, senior German immunologist Thomas Mertens dismissed the findings right away: “I don’t know of any data that would allow a justifiable statement to be made here and I am not assuming an unreported number.”

The immunologist Christian Bogdan from the Erlangen University Hospital, member of the Standing Vaccination Commission (STIKO), also contradicted Schirmacher’s assumption of a “high number of unreported vaccination complications or even deaths”.

The pathologist however received support from his own ranks, and the Federal Association of German Pathologists stated that more autopsies of vaccinated people who died within a certain time frame after vaccination should be performed.

The head of the “Autopsy Working Group” in this association wanted to make general practitioners and health authorities aware of this. In other words, doctors of the patients who die within a few days or weeks after vaccination should apply for an autopsy in case of doubt or the health authorities should take action.

The Federal Association of Pathologists had already requested this in March in a letter to Health Minister Jens Spahn (CDU), but it went unanswered.

Schirmacher’s warning could of course ruin a multi-digit long-term billion-dollar business for various pharmaceutical companies, while the already low willingness to get the jab in the remaining unvaccinated group could further decrease dramatically and ultimately the entire pandemic strategy of the federal government could unravel.

But the seriousness and reputation of the director of the Pathological Institute at the University of Heidelberg are unassailable.

Schirmacher himself is already leading an autopsy project on people who have died from Covid-19, which is subsidized by the state. He himself then expanded the focus and also autopsied more than 40 deceased vaccinated people. Even if his results are only a snapshot, it is a dramatic one: 30 to 40 percent died from the vaccination itself. The pathologist cited “rare, severe side effects of the vaccination – such as cerebral vein thrombosis or autoimmune diseases”.

Schirmacher responded to the criticism from some colleagues. He denied a lack of competence: “The colleagues are definitely wrong because they cannot assess this specific question competently.” Moreover, he has not tried to spread panic, and he is not an opponent of vaccinations – Schirmacher himself has been vaccinated.

The Robert Koch Institute meanwhile refers to the regular safety reports of the Paul Ehrlich Institute on its website. However, should it become apparent in the coming weeks that politics, science and the media are campaigning against Schirmacher and his alarming results are being completely ignored, it would be another red flag regarding the safety of the products.

Twitter meanwhile suspended the account of former New York Times science correspondent Alex Berenson for sharing details of a Pfizer clinical trial with similar findings which completely obliterates the narrative of the political establishment.

According to Pfizer: “During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open-label period, 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators.” It stated that the causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups: 15 people who took the vaccine died and 14 people who took the placebo died.

But tons of people who were in the placebo group have now taken the jab, thus “the trial blind is broken now” and “this is all the data we will ever have,” Berenson pointed out.
 

The vaccines still seem to be holding up fairly well, especially considering there has been a change in the dominant variant since the vaccine went into circulation.

We have posted countless studies/articles/research showing the vaccines have waned over time. Not bullshit opinion stuff. Real world studies/trials/test. Example: Israel showed a 30% drop in Pfizer vax efficacy in a single month.

The continuing real world data shows the vaccines lose steam after 6 months. This is why you see breakthrough infection rates going from 1% earlier this year to over 41% now in MA and higher in some regions of the world. Thus the need for boosters.

You post in here about once every 5 weeks, and don't bother to read back on what's been posted. This is an active forum and a lot has been posted on this. Hit the back button and read up.
 
We have posted countless studies/articles/research showing the vaccines have waned over time. Not bullshit opinion stuff. Real world studies/trials/test. Example: Israel showed a 30% drop in Pfizer vax efficacy in a single month.

The continuing real world data shows the vaccines lose steam after 6 months. This is why you see breakthrough infection rates going from 1% earlier this year to over 41% now in MA and higher in some regions of the world. Thus the need for boosters.

You post in here about once every 5 weeks, and don't bother to read back on what's been posted. This is an active forum and a lot has been posted on this. Hit the back button and read up.

So those scientists who are advising against boosters are just ignoring the isolated numbers you cite, and are blatantly lying?

Why? For what purpose?

It definitely does not benefit Pfizer or Moderna whose stocks are taking a hit off this.
 
So those scientists who are advising against boosters are just ignoring the isolated numbers you cite, and are blatantly lying?

Why? For what purpose?

Were you aware that medical opinions differ? Just curious?

The overwhelming data out there now shows the vaccines are waning. Not only the studies/research, but the # of countries planning to/already delivering boosters. Israel is deep into booster shots already. These aren't "isolated" numbers. They are global. Quite the opposite. The much louder message on the planet is vaccines have waned/boosters are needed compared to the few folks saying "maybe they are not needed."

Why is there such a push to say boosters aren't needed in the face of nations around the globe planning boosters and the overwhelming data showing vaccines are waning? Because admitting as such means admitting the vaccines are losing steam and NO ONE on the vax side wants to admit this. The reality is...they are and thus the need for boosters.

Do you think these scientists are lying?


The CDC:

The CDC’s latest research shows vaccine effectiveness, which was at 91% before the dominance of the delta variant, has dropped to 66% (25 point drop in efficacy)

UVA:

USAToday:

CNBC:

CIDRAP:

Medscape:

Protection provided by two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and the AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID vaccines wanes within 6 months, according to new research. An analysis by the ZOE COVID study suggested that a "worst case scenario" could see protection reduced to below 50% for healthcare workers and the elderly, who were among the first to be vaccinated.

The Washington Post:

Rochellle Walensky and the CDC:


A nationwide study in Qatar, now ahead of Israel in vaccinations:

The Israel study...again:

The Wall Street Journal:
 
LMAO and holy utter ******* ****???? As I and others have said, you have to be perhaps the stupidest human we have encountered.

If breakthrough cases are just one percent, as cases rise...they will still be...one...percent. SMDH.

Instead, over time, as vaccines wane and cases rise...the % of breakthrough cases has moved up beyond 40% to 41% in MA. The PERCENTAGES increased. The percentages are rising themselves, not just absolute case numbers.

Breakthrough cases are rising because the % of people getting infected who are vaccinated continues to rise.

Good...God. That's 3rd grade math Flogged.
Third grade math would be knowing that 41 percent is less than half and therefore, it is primarily the unvaccinated who are spreading Covid.

A little more advanced math, and the math you obviously don’t have the capacity to understand, is that since MA is 66.8% vaccinated, then the unvaccinated are 2.9 times more likely to spread Covid.
 
Third grade math would be knowing that 41 percent is less than half and therefore, it is primarily the unvaccinated who are spreading Covid.

A little more advanced math, and the math you obviously don’t have the capacity to understand, is that since MA is 66.8% vaccinated, then the unvaccinated are 2.9 times more likely to spread Covid.
...OR....The vaccine DOES NOT stop the spread of the virus, so 100% of the vaccinated are spreading the virus along with 100% of the unvaccinated. All the vaccine is doing is limiting the impact of covid symptoms to the vaccinated user. I have natural immunity and do NOT need the shot, hence, the reason I'm unvaccinated.
 
Third grade math would be knowing that 41 percent is less than half and therefore, it is primarily the unvaccinated who are spreading Covid.

You have never heard me argue that the vaccines don't work. Ever. You waffle and switch arguments after being beaten over and over. It's tiring.

I have continually pointed out the efficacies' of the vaccines are waning.

Take a moment, breathe, read sentences 1 and 2 again. They are different. Arguing that the effectiveness of a vaccine is dwindling is NOT arguing vaccines don't work.

Breakthrough cases:
4 months ago - just 1% of all cases
Now - more than 40% of all cases

Vaccine...protection...is...dropping. <--------------------------THE POINT FLOGGY. LET IT PENETRATE YOUR BRAIN

A little more advanced math, and the math you obviously don’t have the capacity to understand, is that since MA is 66.8% vaccinated, then the unvaccinated are 2.9 times more likely to spread Covid.

Today. Perhaps. Save for areas like Israel. Where NATIONWIDE studies showed the vaccinated are 13.2x more likely to transmit/contract Delta than the unvaccinated.

Back to the point. With each day, literally....Vaccine...protection...is...dropping. <--------------------------THE POINT FLOGGY. LET IT PENETRATE YOUR BRAIN
 
...OR....The vaccine DOES NOT stop the spread of the virus, so 100% of the vaccinated are spreading the virus along with 100% of the unvaccinated.

Floggy can't accept this. Probably can't comprehend it. His stake is in the ground on one side of the fence and in the face of inarguable evidence, he will not budge.

Ideology.
 
We have posted countless studies/articles/research showing the vaccines have waned over time. Not bullshit opinion stuff. Real world studies/trials/test. Example: Israel showed a 30% drop in Pfizer vax efficacy in a single month.

The continuing real world data shows the vaccines lose steam after 6 months. This is why you see breakthrough infection rates going from 1% earlier this year to over 41% now in MA and higher in some regions of the world. Thus the need for boosters.

You post in here about once every 5 weeks, and don't bother to read back on what's been posted. This is an active forum and a lot has been posted on this. Hit the back button and read up.
no, Tim. You do not understand.

Those fully vaccinated who have had their vaccines wane over time and essentially become non-functional are now considered in with the great unvaxxed.
 
Floggy can't accept this. Probably can't comprehend it. His stake is in the ground on one side of the fence and in the face of inarguable evidence, he will not budge.

Ideology.
What should we expect from these loons who get their news from failed comedians
 
I’d say ask these guys, but it’s too late…
Xiden said “we have to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.”
 
We have posted countless studies/articles/research showing the vaccines have waned over time. Not bullshit opinion stuff. Real world studies/trials/test. Example: Israel showed a 30% drop in Pfizer vax efficacy in a single month.

The continuing real world data shows the vaccines lose steam after 6 months. This is why you see breakthrough infection rates going from 1% earlier this year to over 41% now in MA and higher in some regions of the world. Thus the need for boosters.

You post in here about once every 5 weeks, and don't bother to read back on what's been posted. This is an active forum and a lot has been posted on this. Hit the back button and read up.
Bullshit opinion? The two departing FDA officials were part of the group.
 
You post in here about once every 5 weeks, and don't bother to read back on what's been posted. This is an active forum and a lot has been posted on this. Hit the back button and read up.

You're better off taking a sledgehammer and pounding yourself in the head with it, over and over. The sheer number of posts in this thread definitely *do not* represent any level of quality of those posts, nor do they contain worthwhile information. It's reading the banter between a tiny minority of wacked-out conspiracy theorists doing their *own research.* Who's got time for that?

Humorous and childish jibberish? Yes. Valuable and serious discussion? No.
 
At some point they are going to start posting all the sad stories of teens and preteens that died of the vaccine… which are much like yours… sad, but marginal data points that don’t really matter… yes some people die with or without the vaccines…
All one of them? False equivalency anyway. Let me know when several outspoken vaccine promoters die after getting vaccinated. Oh, that’s right, it didn’t happen.
 
You're better off taking a sledgehammer and pounding yourself in the head with it, over and over. The deluge of posts in this thread definitely do *not equal* quality of those posts, nor do they contain worthwhile information. It's reading the banter between a tiny minority of wacked-out conspiracy theorists doing their *own research.* Who's got time for that?

Humorous and childish jibberish? Yes. Valuable and serious discussion? No.
He quoted the CDC and other reliable sources...And your argument is that he's posting childish jibberish? Really? You're a joke.
 
All one of them? False equivalency anyway. Let me know when several outspoken vaccine promoters die after getting vaccinated. Oh, that’s right, it didn’t happen.
Outspoken people have nothing to do with it. I know people that died after getting 2 vax shots. But they don't count because they aren't in the public eye? Complete nonsense.
 
All one of them? False equivalency anyway. Let me know when several outspoken vaccine promoters die after getting vaccinated. Oh, that’s right, it didn’t happen.
Really… if i can show you one will you drop it?

Because that’s exactly what happened to the guy from braveheart who was yapping hard about how vaccines were safe… boasted about getting his booster then dropped dead… only im pretty sure nobody rushed to post that here….

also a bunch of teens have died to date… there is a known heart issue with younger people and the mrna process now… again nobody here is trying to politicize those deaths… and the articles are heartbreaking… its so far a very low risk, much like dying from covid is a very low risk for the vast majority of the country
 
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