Covid Vaccine

[SojournerSteel]

You'd have to believe that "the system" including hospitals and doctors, has some grand motivation to fudge the numbers. I don't happen to believe that. It wouldn't surprise me if they test fewer of the vaccinated for covid though, especially at the beginning when it appeared the vaccines were more effective at preventing infection.

Yes, I would have no problem believing that they do have -- not a "grand" motivation -- but rather an "age-old" motivation as in money and their place at the trough in the power game. They've already fudged numbers in terms of what they present as "covid hospitalizations," for example.

From the very outset, all of this was designed to erode personal liberty and healthcare autonomy in concert with Big Pharma and Big Government in a Great Reset.

Honestly, if people aren't questioning now and putting 2+2 together they probably never will.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Yes, I would have no problem believing that they do have -- not a "grand" motivation -- but rather an "age-old" motivation as in money and their place at the trough in the power game. They've already fudged numbers in terms of what they present as "covid hospitalizations," for example.

From the very outset, all of this was designed to erode personal liberty and healthcare autonomy in concert with Big Pharma and Big Government in a Great Reset.

Honestly, if people aren't questioning now and putting 2+2 together they probably never will.

It's extremely easy to see if you're paying attention. I've been paying attention for a long, long time.

 

[hamster]

Yes, I would have no problem believing that they do have -- not a "grand" motivation -- but rather an "age-old" motivation as in money and their place at the trough in the power game. They've already fudged numbers in terms of what they present as "covid hospitalizations," for example.

From the very outset, all of this was designed to erode personal liberty and healthcare autonomy in concert with Big Pharma and Big Government in a Great Reset.

Honestly, if people aren't questioning now and putting 2+2 together they probably never will.

I believe nothing that comes out of Washington today. Literally.

 

[Troglodyte]

Apparently all the unvaccinated moved to West Virginia, where they are dying at an alarming rate.

Well, a rate well below a bunch of your beloved left-wing vax mandating states, but anyhoo.

Oh, and do you even pay attention to what you write?!?

Today: "Florida 128 deaths this week cuz no vaccine!"

30 minutes later: "Florida vaccinated a ton of people the last two months."

False. No highly vaccinated states have Covid deaths rates anywhere near West Virginia’s.

Had more Floridians vaccinated themselves in April instead of August, they wouldn’t be seeing the 128 deaths/day.

 

[Troglodyte]

THAT is utter and absolute HORSE MANURE!
I would be in jail infecting people if they said I couldn't be with my spouse during their waning minutes.

I surmise that you are unaware that hundreds of thousands of Covid patients died without being able to be with their families?

 

[Troglodyte]

Cases lead to deaths. Baiting you into admitting that these vaccines don't prevent spread is far too easy. Thanks for that win.

Not being vaccinated also leads to death.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Not being vaccinated also leads to death.

And water is wet.

Yer a god damned genius.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I surmise that you are unaware that hundreds of thousands of Covid patients died without being able to be with their families?

Something you apparently cheer for.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

False. No highly vaccinated states have Covid deaths rates anywhere near West Virginia’s.

Had more Floridians vaccinated themselves in April instead of August, they wouldn’t be seeing the 128 deaths/day.

State roulette again!

Step right up and play folks!!

(notice how SD is never, ever, never, ever mentioned by Floggy anymore?)

 

[fedderone]

I surmise that you are unaware that hundreds of thousands of Covid patients died without being able to be with their families?

As usual, you surmise incorrect.
However, it seems you’re unaware that there are free thinkers on this planet that don’t simply lay down in subjugation to tyranny. That would die/go to jail for their beliefs……like comforting a dying relative.
It saddens me that your reply to ANYONE saying to you that you could not be by your dying relative’s side would be, “Yes, sir/ma’am.”

 

[Steeltime]

False. No highly vaccinated states have Covid deaths rates anywhere near West Virginia’s.

Had more Floridians vaccinated themselves in April instead of August, they wouldn’t be seeing the 128 deaths/day.

Florida! No, South Dakota! No, West Virginia! No, Florida!
No, Connecticut! No, Kentucky! Albamarkentuckida!
Ahhhhhh ..... !!!!!

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Bungholio!!!! Ehhehee ehehehe. Ehehehe.

 

[Buster]

Handful of unvaxxed people at my work have had bad cases…one was in the hospital for over 2 weeks and wasn’t expected to pull through at one point. He and others come back boo boo-ing about how sick they were blah, blah, blah. My feeling is shut the **** up. Get back to work and make up for the month you missed and the production you cost the rest of us.
We had two vaccinated employees who were positive also, but not nearly as sick and just out for the required minimum.

I’m for everyone having the choice to vax or not, but if you think it doesn’t decrease your risk of serious symptoms, I think you are foolish.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Vaccine mandate will have 'catastrophic' effect on jobs, business group warns Biden

A business group representing wholesalers told President Joe Biden that jobs will be lost if he follows through with requiring companies with federal contracts to have their employees vaccinated.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

A business group representing wholesalers told President Joe Biden that jobs will be lost if he follows through with requiring companies with federal contracts to have their employees vaccinated.

Eric Hoplin, president and CEO of the National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors, laid out the case against the mandates and urged the president to back off his edict in a three-page letter. He said that if the contractor rule is implemented, thousands of workers will be laid off and the supply chain problems will grow far worse.

“NAW urges that the Executive Order’s implementation be revised to avoid this calamity and provide alternatives to promote safety, including testing, and consider a short-term delay to provide time to carry out these changes and to avoid further supply chain disruptions in the coming months,” he wrote.

The business group represents more than 30,000 employers across the country, some of which provide products and services to the federal government.

The letter warned that if the executive order is implemented as written, then “thousands of valued employees will be forced out of their jobs shortly before the holidays, the already compromised supply chain will be under added pressure during the busiest time of the year, and the already tight labor market will make it immeasurably more difficult to replace laid-off employees, compounding supply chain disruption.”

The country’s supply chains are already in disarray. Dozens of ships have been seen queued up outside of ports, some purchases are taking months to be delivered, and warehouses are overloaded and understaffed. The NAW contends that some of the workers who might quit because of the mandate are crucial to helping stymie supply chain issues and that their departure will further exacerbate the problem just as Christmas looms large .

In the letter to Biden, Hoplin pointed out that the mandate could affect lower-income workers. Several NAW companies have also reported that the employees who said they will resist taking the vaccine are disproportionately minorities.

The White House maintains that the mandate will not result in mass firings. <------

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

This is fascinating. I've been to Lancaster Co and surrounding areas many times. The Amish achieved herd immunity by....doing nothing the rest of us did.

Amish Covid — ‘No hospitalization, isolation or vaccines = herd immunity’

Amish Covid: ‘No hospitalization, isolation or vaccines = herd immunity’ | Sharyl Attkisson

sharylattkisson.com

 

[Steelr4evr]

Handful of unvaxxed people at my work have had bad cases…one was in the hospital for over 2 weeks and wasn’t expected to pull through at one point. He and others come back boo boo-ing about how sick they were blah, blah, blah. My feeling is shut the **** up. Get back to work and make up for the month you missed and the production you cost the rest of us.
We had two vaccinated employees who were positive also, but not nearly as sick and just out for the required minimum.

I’m for everyone having the choice to vax or not, but if you think it doesn’t decrease your risk of serious symptoms, I think you are foolish.

That's nice.

 

[oneforthebus]

As usual, you surmise incorrect.
However, it seems you’re unaware that there are free thinkers on this planet that don’t simply lay down in subjugation to tyranny. That would die/go to jail for their beliefs……like comforting a dying relative.
It saddens me that your reply to ANYONE saying to you that you could not be by your dying relative’s side would be, “Yes, sir/ma’am.”

If my presence there could sicken and possibly kill other critically ill people, than that would be my reply. And I say that as someone who had children in the NICU for months, we had to follow very strict infection prevention protocols as did everyone else. You know, to avoid killing someone else's child. Not an insignificant reason.

 

[oneforthebus]

I do not agree with these numbers based on what I see among my fully vac staff. I have had many, many 3 poke staff being hospitalized.

Also, as I noted many times. They are being admitted just cause they test positive, with no or little to no symptoms.

Just following my comp cases.

I work with elderly people, and and I know only a very few who were hospitalized with covid, either pre-vax or post-vax. You have seen many, many working age vaxxed people getting hospitalized? How many? What are their jobs and their underlying health? That seems way out of the norm compared to what I'm seeing.

 

[oneforthebus]

Yes, I would have no problem believing that they do have -- not a "grand" motivation -- but rather an "age-old" motivation as in money and their place at the trough in the power game. They've already fudged numbers in terms of what they present as "covid hospitalizations," for example.

From the very outset, all of this was designed to erode personal liberty and healthcare autonomy in concert with Big Pharma and Big Government in a Great Reset.

Honestly, if people aren't questioning now and putting 2+2 together they probably never will.

I honestly don't believe any of this was "designed" to do anything. I do believe there has been some heavy handedness and overreach. Taking advantage of a crisis. I do not believe this is all some global scheme to erode liberty. I have too much real world knowledge of this illness now to believe that.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

A little dated, but Sweden suspending Moderna for those 30 and under. Because...heart issues. Wish we were showing this much caution. Instead, you lose your job or ability to attend university if you don't assume this risk.

Covid-19: Sweden, Norway, and Finland suspend use of Moderna vaccine in young people “as a precaution”

Sweden, Norway, and Finland suspended the use of Moderna’s covid-19 vaccine on 7 October after reports of possible rare side effects. The pause “for precautionary reasons” in Sweden and Finland concerns anyone born 1991 or later. In Finland, under 30s will now be offered the Pfizer vaccine as...

www.bmj.com

Sweden, Norway, and Finland suspended the use of Moderna’s covid-19 vaccine on 7 October after reports of possible rare side effects.


The pause “for precautionary reasons” in Sweden and Finland concerns anyone born 1991 or later. In Finland, under 30s will now be offered the Pfizer vaccine as their second dose. Swedish officials are still discussing the second dose for the 81 000 under 30s who received a first dose of Moderna.

In Norway officials have suspended the use of Moderna’s vaccine in those under 18, advising that they are offered the Pfizer vaccine instead.

At a press conference on 6 October Anders Tegnell, epidemiologist at the Swedish Public Health Agency, explained that the suspension of the Moderna vaccine followed the detection of signals of an increased risk of side effects such as myocarditis and pericarditis.

Myocarditis is a rare side effect of all mRNA vaccines, especially in boys and young men and mainly after the second dose. Data indicate that this occurs more often after the Moderna vaccine than Pfizer’s. This seems to apply regardless of which vaccine was given as the first dose.

Sweden’s decision will be reconsidered on 1 December. Tegnell added that those who have been vaccinated recently, with their first or second dose of the Moderna vaccine, do not need to be concerned, “nevertheless it’s good to know what symptoms they need to be vigilant about,” he said.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I do believe there has been some heavy handedness and overreach. Taking advantage of a crisis.

Some?

 

[Steelr4evr]

Some?

I have to laugh at that. Some...........


People have absolutely lost their mother ******* minds over the last two years. I have seen and heard **** I'd never in a million years thought would happen here and around the world.


"Some" people can **** the hell off.

Glad I don't live in Australia. I'm shocked those people haven't risen up and killed the people running their government.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Not being vaccinated also leads to death.

I got news for you. You're going into the dirt like every human on the planet and you have no control over what day and time that will be. Your hour is set and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[fedderone]

If my presence there could sicken and possibly kill other critically ill people, than that would be my reply. And I say that as someone who had children in the NICU for months, we had to follow very strict infection prevention protocols as did everyone else. You know, to avoid killing someone else's child. Not an insignificant reason.

I work for a large hospital system.
I’m aware of guidelines surrounding certain patients and certain illnesses.
COVID ain’t one of them.
Keeping relatives away from a COVID patient is NOT for the benefit of the patient.
Apples and hand grenades.

 

[oneforthebus]

I work for a large hospital system.
I’m aware of guidelines surrounding certain patients and certain illnesses.
COVID ain’t one of them.
Keeping relatives away from a COVID patient is NOT for the benefit of the patient.
Apples and hand grenades.

No it’s not for the benefit of the COVID patient. It’s to keep the relatives from getting COVID from the patient. Keeping COVID positive people out is for the benefit of all the other patients as well as the healthcare providers. It’s not just COVID, it’s any contagious disease that someone is known to have. If you work in hospitals you’re well aware of this. I’m curious what you think the real motivation is if not infection control. All part of the big conspiracy I guess.