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Malik Willis' price dropping

TheDudeAbides said:
$15 million for a 6" (at best!) running back from Liberty who occasionally tosses the ball about as a backup, yes. Much too much. Sorry, never been impressed at all. Well, I suppose the 18 INTs he tossed while at Liberty is somewhat impressive.
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He’s 6’1”, in the three seasons since his rookie year he’s 74/94 - 1,046 yards - 11.1 YPA - 6 TDs - 0 INTs.
TheDudeAbides said:
As for Darnold, hardly. A former #3 overall draft pick coming off an excellent season in Minnesota? Are you seriously trying to compare these two players? They could hardly be further apart.
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You act as if the draft is a perfect science. There will be a lot more interest in Willis than there was in Darnold after his fourth season which he ended with a 71.4 QBR.
 
Here we are talking about 2nd and 3rd tier qb's. Trubisky, throws off back foot. Willis, one read and run. Too small. Murray..a midget. Mac Jones? He hasn't really impressed and he never will.

Take the plunge. Nobody knows what a qb can do until they are up against the 1's.
 
Sign Willis up to 30mil / per, sign Pierce.

By doing so, your are advancing in the QB room and putting a WR starting immediately.

Spend the money unless you are saving it for the “Cam Heyward” renogotiation.




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xjx said:
Cam Heyward is a wild card. Id cut him. We already have contracts that are too big. We don't need more.
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That part of my post was huge SARCASM.

I would not renegotiate or extend him. If he says anything, warn him…….. if he persists……. Move him.

I want him to finish career here, but not with his big mouth.



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Not with his big roster bonus. Cut him. Bring him back for vet min. Its kinda like break glass in case of emergency.
 
Troglodyte said:
You act as if the draft is a perfect science. There will be a lot more interest in Willis than there was in Darnold after his fourth season which he ended with a 71.4 QBR.
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You have a nasty habit of projecting thoughts onto others. AGAIN, never said that.

As for 'interest'. No doubt. In a very poor QB FA environment even a very small and average QB can seem attractive to some. Kenny Pickett, for example.

My opinion, which is only informed by what I've seen myself, is that signing Mr. Willis to a massive contract would be less desirable than simply building a nice bonfire with gobs of cash at Point State Park.
 
Willis is signing a three-year, $67.5 million deal with the Dolphins. God bless him. And them.

I'll take Kyler Murray for 1.3.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
NO THANK YOU to both.
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You don't have to say no thank you regarding Willis...as I mentioned, he's already headed to Miami.

And as far as Murray, I don't get all the hate for the guy. 92.2 career passer rating, plus he averages 600 yards and 6 touchdowns on the ground. For the veteran minimum? What's not to like? You got something against midgets?
 
The Dolphins are paying Willis $22.5 million per, while taking a dead cap hit of $99.2 million over the next two years with Tua's release. That's $72.1 million invested in their QB1 for each of the next two seasons. Another well-run organization.
 
topseed said:
You don't have to say no thank you regarding Willis...as I mentioned, he's already headed to Miami.

And as far as Murray, I don't get all the hate for the guy. 92.2 career passer rating, plus he averages 600 yards and 6 touchdowns on the ground. For the veteran minimum? What's not to like? You got something against midgets?
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Simple answer? Yes.
Particularly ones who would rather play CoD than study a play book.
 
TheDudeAbides said:
You have a nasty habit of projecting thoughts onto others. AGAIN, never said that.
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You alluded to Darnold being the 3rd overall pick in the draft as if it had relevance to a players value after several years in the league.
 
Of course there's 'relevance'. But you stated that I "...act as if the draft is a perfect science."

Relevance vs. 'perfect science'. See the difference?

You live up to your name.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Simple answer? Yes.
Particularly ones who would rather play CoD than study a play book.
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Murray is partnered with that company, my man. And any rumors you're hung up on from 2022 about him not learning the playbook have been debunked.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Have they? Read all kinds of recent stories about his commitment issues.
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If Murray isn't committed to football, why would the guy bother to move to new city, have to learn a new system, and play for relative peanuts? His entire family tree is set for life with the $160 mill guaranteed from his last contract.
 
Anybody know how the Willis contract is structured? Its like 25 per correct? How about getting out of it if he sucks. That was a sticking point to me.
* 45 million guarenteed. If 30 of it was his first year salary and then you are on the hook for another 15 of guarenteed on the rest of it......not terrible. Its slightly under 25 per. Id get the 30 done as that is going rate now. If he's a winner you got a bargain next year but then you will be renegoatiation year after.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Anybody know how the Willis contract is structured? Its like 25 per correct? How about getting out of it if he sucks. That was a sticking point to me.
* 45 million guarenteed. If 30 of it was his first year salary and then you are on the hook for another 15 of guarenteed on the rest of it......not terrible. Its slightly under 25 per. Id get the 30 done as that is going rate now. If he's a winner you got a bargain next year but then you will be renegoatiation year after.
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$30m the going rate for guy who has a total of 94 passes and six touchdowns in the last three years? It took Sam Darnold a 4K yard season with 35 touchdowns to get $33m per year. There's a reason Malik Willis was only a third round draft pick in one of the worst quarterback drafts in recent memory and there's a reason he only has six starts in 4 years in the NFL. The chances Malik Willis is going to be the answer are extremely slim. I would have liked to see him at the Steelers at $10m per year, but at $22.5m per year, no thank you.
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
$30m the going rate for guy who has a total of 94 passes and six touchdowns in the last three years? It took Sam Darnold a 4K yard season with 35 touchdowns to get $33m per year. There's a reason Malik Willis was only a third round draft pick in one of the worst quarterback drafts in recent memory and there's a reason he only has six starts in 4 years in the NFL. The chances Malik Willis is going to be the answer are extremely slim. I would have liked to see him at the Steelers at $10m per year, but at $22.5m per year, no thank you.
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30 million is the going rate for a guy you want to start next year at QB with upside potential in a market with literally no one else like that on the open market. There are like 5 teams minimum who could be interested in his services and the draft pool is as shallow as a paddling pool. So yes. You pay him starters wage with an easy out if he fails.
 
Sam Darnold and Malik Willis both were not NFL ready when drafted. I think the real lesson here is that expecting a draft pick, even a very high pick, to be a good NFL quarterback beginning year 1 is a fantasy. Please remember that when Will Howard is under center or the Steelers select a different QB this year or next.
 
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