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A few thoughts from an old face

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I've not been around much for while; a handful of comments at most over the last few years. Still always liked this message board from when I first came aboard back in early 2006 when I was referred to it, not knowing about it for a long time.

But seeing it in trouble, I set up a payment this evening (hopefully PayPal took it okay, been a while since used it). I remember the great days from the 3 Super Bowl runs; but I will be honest; I left it because of the growing number of whining, crying, complaining spoiled brat fans that seemed to overtake the board; the extraordinary part about it was complaining about Tomlin back in 2009 -- right off a Super Bowl win that none of saw possible starting 2008. The reality is, Tomlin was injuries to Polamalu and Pouncey & and a poorly time fumble away from having 2 Super Bowl wins -- Cowher's players or no Cowher's players (an argument I find totally ridiculous anyway -- Jim Caldwell had Tony Dungy's players and I didn't see another Lombardi in the Colts trophy room).

The decade of the 2000s would be a dynasty for 28 teams in this league. Did you think it would last forever? I'd like to see the team make a permanent comeback, and Steeler Nation along with it.

I get everyone blowing off steam after a loss; but let's be real.
Tomlin and Colbert haven't been the disaster in drafting that people want to make them out to being:
Woodley may have not taken it to the next level like he should have, but for a while he was dominant and key in winning in 2008 no question -- in fact Woodley and Harrison probably make up the best pair of OLBs in the 3-4 Steeler D and that is saying something.
Timmons has done nothing but been good to spectacular and never gets his due.
Heyward is best DE taken in the first round of any Steelers DL since..... EVER?
Mendenhall had a short lived career, but it was productive and he was a difference maker in 2010 -- and really was the key player in the 2010 AFC Championship
Pouncey is a major team leader
DeCastro is becoming dominant
Bell and Brown -- just rewriting Steelers record books
Beachum, Gilbert, Bryant -- like what I see so far

And even guys like Mike Wallace, Kennan Lewis, Emmanuel Sanders were quality even if lost to FA

You know, I want to win too; and yeah I would have loved it if Colbert drafted Richard Sherman in 2011 for example, but this team has drafted better than a lot of other teams in the league, maybe its just not enough to offset the loss/decline of Hall of Fame level talents like Hines Ward, Troy Polamalu and even James Harrison who will never be HoF only due to his short career, but at his peak was as good any player in HoF. Also the loss and decline of Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, Brett Kiesel, Casey Hampton, James Farrior, Larry Foote.... that's more than a lot to replace and the worst this team did was 8-8? And in one of those 8-8 years they were a blown call and a missed chip shot FG by Kansas City back ups from having only a 1 year playoff absence?

You know, long before Jarvis Jones there was Huey Richardson. Long before there was Ziggy Hood there was Aaron Jones.

If anything, with Colbert if I wanted him to do something more, I'd like to see more of the wheeling and dealing Colbert that moved back 3 spots in 2001 so as to land Big Snack and be in position to take Kendrell Bell. Or how he moved up aggressively in 2003 to draft Troy Polamalu or in 2006 to draft Santonio Holmes so as to really improve the team instead of waiting on picks and hoping their guy drops to them. I get it won't work everytime (wasn't Colcough a trade up in 2nd round in 2004?) But I'd rather take the risk and go for it than play it safe.

So there is 1 of my 2 cents.

Here is the other -- thank you for banning Idiotech. That moron really was one of the biggest issues on this board. So long as we keep getting good football talk on here, despite my life having less time to football talk like it once did, I'll give blood to keep it alive. I get we won't all agree; but dang it, be grown up about it.
 
FSF, I always enjoyed your posts. I hope this means you'll give the board another shot. I always valued your contributions and hope to see more!
 
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Welcome back!
 
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Great POST, FSF< thank you!!!!



Salute the nation
 
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FSF, I always enjoyed your posts. I hope this means you'll give the board another shot. I always valued your contributions and hope to see more!

Much appreciated. Life and time will tell how much I can....
 
FSF, it's mandatory now to post your thoughts on Dri Archer when you re-join the board.
 
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Thanks for the great post. And welcome back.
 
Welcome back, FSF! Always one of my favorite posters, as you demonstrated here.
 
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FSF, it's mandatory now to post your thoughts on Dri Archer when you re-join the board.

I know you're being tongue in cheek for fun, but here goes for real:

Between BOTH Archer and Rainey, it was obvious that the Steelers FO was looking for that Darren Sproles type of RB who could give Ben that receiving threat out of the backfield and take 2-6 yard passes and make big plays out of them as a quality role player. There was a guy named Antwaan Randle El who never put up individual huge numbers, but EXTREMELY timely numbers. How many times did El take a shovel pass on 3rd and 6 and get 8 yards. Or do a misdirection for 6 yards when needing 4 for a first? These plays don't show up when you look at a years stats (i.e. 2005 all of 73 yards rushing and 35 catches for 558 yards receiving); but go stick in your Steelers Road to Super Bowl XL DVD and watch the 4 playoff games, you'll find at least one play per game where Antwaan Randle El was part of a play that made an impact and save for his TD pass to Ward did he show up on the stat sheet in any particular way?

Back to WHY Archer -- at least in theory and why they thought he would be important. Did anyone notice that Le'Veon Bell's 83 receptions for 834 yards coincided with the first time a Steelers QB led the NFL in passing yards? Ben played all 16 games for 2 years in a row and Bell's 45 receptions in 13 games helped there too? Of course no one could see the explosion that Bell would make from year one to year two; but Ben's performance, the teams performance and their record over 2 years with Bell in the line up (8-5 and 11-5) coincides directly with having that dump off threat when he was there.

The concept was sound, obviously -- a RB with explosive speed who can be dangerous in the open field and forced the defense to account for receiving. So Archer was drafted to be that specialist. Oh, I bet if they had any idea Bell would have worked so hard to lean down and emerge as exactly that threat that he was that Archer would have been on their radar, but the ROLE HE WAS SPECIFICALLY DRAFTED FOR WAS, it was just they had the guy on their roster who unexpectedly filled it beyond imaginable expectation.
 
Buff will set you up in the morning.

Welcome back. Hopefully full time. Good things coming.
 
Buff will set you up in the morning.

Welcome back. Hopefully full time. Good things coming.

Yeah get that damn FNG moniker away from my name. Geesh, its been nearly a decade since I first came here....my God where does the time go?

Will contribute with posts as I can. Don't have the same free time as I used to but hopefully it will be enough to get some good football debate going and keep away from mindless drabble that overtook this board and as always, successfully piss off Coolieman (kidding......of......course.......)
 
good to see Steeler fanatics returning.

the board is heading in the right direction...............
 
Who let this Pom-Pom waver back in here......welcome back FSF
 
Glad you are back from where ever you went. easiest way to get rid of the new guy marker is to post and watch your karma grow. It also helps if you don't have a thin skin as things sometimes come across harsher than intended, other times they are harsh and some just like to stir **** and not have a discussion. Still others don't want to participate in the discussion but will ***** about those that do go figure.
 
Glad you are back from where ever you went. easiest way to get rid of the new guy marker is to post and watch your karma grow. It also helps if you don't have a thin skin as things sometimes come across harsher than intended, other times they are harsh and some just like to stir **** and not have a discussion. Still others don't want to participate in the discussion but will ***** about those that do go figure.

Was here for quite a # of years.....its not thin skin.....its just people wanting to be stupid for the sake of being stupid. Stupid being euphamism for a much harsher word ......

Don't have time in my life for that
 
Glad to see you back FSF.

Thanks for your reasoned posts.
 
Not sure I agree with every thing, but welcome back.

I get everyone blowing off steam after a loss; but let's be real.
Tomlin and Colbert haven't been the disaster in drafting that people want to make them out to being: They have been average with a great pick or two here & There
Woodley may have not taken it to the next level like he should have, but for a while he was dominant and key in winning in 2008 no question -- in fact Woodley and Harrison probably make up the best pair of OLBs in the 3-4 Steeler D and that is saying something. I would give Harrison a top 8 but as a tandem him & Woodley, not even top 5
Timmons has done nothing but been good to spectacular and never gets his due. Agree
Heyward is best DE taken in the first round of any Steelers DL since..... EVER? Never heard of Mean Joe Green?
Mendenhall had a short lived career, but it was productive and he was a difference maker in 2010 -- and really was the key player in the 2010 AFC Championship
Pouncey is a major team leader As well as appearing as resident wannabe thug
DeCastro is becoming dominant
Bell and Brown -- just rewriting Steelers record books While they appear to be the real deal, there are a few way ahead of them at this point (Harris, Fuqua, Swann, Stahlworth, Ward, Blackwell :))
Beachum, Gilbert, Bryant -- like what I see so far I'm not sold on Gilbert
 
Not sure I agree with every thing, but welcome back.

I get everyone blowing off steam after a loss; but let's be real.
Tomlin and Colbert haven't been the disaster in drafting that people want to make them out to being: They have been average with a great pick or two here & There
Woodley may have not taken it to the next level like he should have, but for a while he was dominant and key in winning in 2008 no question -- in fact Woodley and Harrison probably make up the best pair of OLBs in the 3-4 Steeler D and that is saying something. I would give Harrison a top 8 but as a tandem him & Woodley, not even top 5
Timmons has done nothing but been good to spectacular and never gets his due. Agree
Heyward is best DE taken in the first round of any Steelers DL since..... EVER? Never heard of Mean Joe Green?
Mendenhall had a short lived career, but it was productive and he was a difference maker in 2010 -- and really was the key player in the 2010 AFC Championship
Pouncey is a major team leader As well as appearing as resident wannabe thug
DeCastro is becoming dominant
Bell and Brown -- just rewriting Steelers record books While they appear to be the real deal, there are a few way ahead of them at this point (Harris, Fuqua, Swann, Stahlworth, Ward, Blackwell :))
Beachum, Gilbert, Bryant -- like what I see so far I'm not sold on Gilbert

A pleasant discourse whilst disagreeing on one person's opinions. Well done.
 
Glad to see you come back again FSF. Missed your posts.
 
Heyward is best DE taken in the first round of any Steelers DL since..... EVER? Never heard of Mean Joe Green?
Joe Greene was a defensive tackle. Back in the day, Dwight White and L.C. Greenwood were the defensive ends. Not to be picky.
 
Joe Greene was a defensive tackle. Back in the day, Dwight White and L.C. Greenwood were the defensive ends. Not to be picky.

Greenwood and Dwight Mad Dog White were far from 1'st round picks. Just saying!
 
Not sure I agree with every thing, but welcome back.

I get everyone blowing off steam after a loss; but let's be real.
Tomlin and Colbert haven't been the disaster in drafting that people want to make them out to being: They have been average with a great pick or two here & There
Hasn't that always REALLY been the case (not just for us but for EVERY team? Just for example, what would you grade the 2004 draft if not for Ben landing in their lap. Most draft picks are misses. My point remains, we've been losing established talent to age and retirement just like the 70s dynasty team and its been challenging to replenish at the same rate.


Woodley may have not taken it to the next level like he should have, but for a while he was dominant and key in winning in 2008 no question -- in fact Woodley and Harrison probably make up the best pair of OLBs in the 3-4 Steeler D and that is saying something. I would give Harrison a top 8 but as a tandem him & Woodley, not even top 5
Harrison a top 8? Do you think we've had 7 OLB in the 3-4 better than him? Heck, I would argue only Ham and Lambert were ever better period.....
Outside of Greene and Lloyd; who would you say was a better tandem? Woodley and Harrison were the 3-4 OLB combo for a Steeler D that went to 2 Super Bowls and finished #1 in NFL in 2008 & 2011 as well as #2 in 2010.


Timmons has done nothing but been good to spectacular and never gets his due. Agree

Heyward is best DE taken in the first round of any Steelers DL since..... EVER? Never heard of Mean Joe Green?
I certainly have. I also know he was a DT and not a DE. Have you ever heard of Keith Gary, Darryl Sims, Aaron Jones? They were DE. They play different positions.


Pouncey is a major team leader As well as appearing as resident wannabe thug
So you're worried about how he "appears"? He's a 4x Pro Bowler and 2x All Pro and is emerging as the vocal leader in the locker room. Another guy who wasn't exactly a boy scount who was a leader was Greg Lloyd, oh and did you ever hear of Joe Greene, he was a leader and he even walked out on the team in 1974. Do you want choir boys or football players?


Bell and Brown -- just rewriting Steelers record books While they appear to be the real deal, there are a few way ahead of them at this point (Harris, Fuqua, Swann, Stahlworth, Ward, Blackwell :))

By that token -- no one we draft will be any good till year 10, so defeats the purpose of your argument??????


Beachum, Gilbert, Bryant -- like what I see so far I'm not sold on Gilbert
You know how long that same statement was made of Foote and Kiesel, just for starters?
 
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