A Wow Report on Rudolph

[Sevenisheaven]

http://presnapreads.com/2018/04/07/mason-rudolph-is-worthy-of-being-a-first-round-pick/

Pretty insightful and he makes some great points. Take Marcia Brady for example.....not strong, doesn't have acannon arm but he throws the damn ball (or used to) accurately and in the end as long as you get the ball to the receiver before the DB gets there then who gives a **** how hard it's thrown. Clearly there may be throws he'll have trouble throwing but name me a QB that makes all of them perfectly. I remember watching an old video of Bill Walsh (with Montana) and he had Joe do different throws describing the west coast offense. So much of the success of the plays came down to footwork and eyes. Watch Brady.......eyes eyes eyes footwork release on target. Mental and Mechanics. GMs try to reinvent the wheel. Rudolph may be a gem. I hope so

 

[Omar10213245]

 

[Supersteeler]

For the people bitching a ***** about the pick....you draft an heir apparent to your Franchise QB a couple years BEFORE he retires, not after he is already gone, just in case the new guy doesn't pan out the way you expect. This was the right move and makes me breathe a little easier thinking a couple years into the future. Let he and Dobbs both learn the system and get some seasoning the next couple seasons and let the cream rise to the top.

Rudolph may be the new Ben and Dobbs may be the new Laundry Jones lol. Wouldn't it be a ***** if their roles were reversed when the time comes though?

 

[SteelerSask2]

I was terrified we would spend our 1st on this guy and ecstatic when we got him in the 3rd. Really a dream scenario. He gets two years to develop and hopefully they ended up stealing one of the best qbs in the class.

 

[slashsteel]

For the people bitching a ***** about the pick....you draft an heir apparent to your Franchise QB a couple years BEFORE he retires, not after he is already gone, just in case the new guy doesn't pan out the way you expect. This was the right move and makes me breathe a little easier thinking a couple years into the future. Let he and Dobbs both learn the system and get some seasoning the next couple seasons and let the cream rise to the top.

Rudolph may be the new Ben and Dobbs may be the new Laundry Jones lol. Wouldn't it be a ***** if their roles were reversed when the time comes though?

Thinking Dobbs is the odd man out and hits the PS. We'll see.

One thing not talked about a lot is the QBs with the better releases. You hear plenty about accuracy and scheme..
We know Brady has a solid quick release. We know Ben's improved under Haley.

Will be interesting to zero in on Rudolph's in comparison come training camp.

 

[Steelers1356]

I'm not sure how the myth got started about arm strength, he was one of the better deep ball passers in this years draft. He has nice touch on his throws, so he doesn't usually overthrow his passes unless he needs to so it may just appear some of his throws are soft with his style. Kind of like the style of Jim Kelly or Payton Manning. He needs some grooming but he'll have time to develop behind Ben for a few seasons.

 

[Stryker]

I'm not sure how the myth got started about arm strength, he was one of the better deep ball passers in this years draft. He has nice touch on his throws, so he doesn't usually overthrow his passes unless he needs to so it may just appear some of his throws are soft with his style. Kind of like the style of Jim Kelly or Payton Manning. He needs some grooming but he'll have time to develop behind Ben for a few seasons.

I agree the TD highlights to Washington alone shows he can throw a WR open 40-50 yards downfield.

The article did mention quick outs being an issue, did anyone see him have problems with that in college. Quick outs are a big deal, because if you **** it up or don't have the velocity on the throw, it's a pick 6.

 

[steelhurt]

So what’s odd to me is that both Rudolph and Mayfield came out of the Big 12 that people criticize. Mason has the prototypical size for an NFL QB but Mayfield does not. Both put up prolific numbers and have been extremely productive and have excellent win loss records.
Mayfield seems immature with his antics on the field and off. Not a word about Rudolph.
So why does Mayfield get all the attention and Rudolph treated like an after thought? That’s so odd imo.




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[fogdoctor]

There is no reason to guess about his arm. The vast majority of QB in the NFL have a velocity of 50-60mph and he is on the low end of that range. Some teams actually use either 54 or 55mph as a cutoff for QBs with an NFL arm. So he does not have a strong arm and will have trouble with some passes that require arm talent. However, given his TD/INT ratio and consistent improvement, he has obviously used other skills (like height, fast release, INSANELY high release point, anticipation, film study) to overcome the arm deficiencies. Honestly, his arm is probably bottom 1/3 of the league but it does not bother me because Brees was also 51-52mph. Ourlads has all the velocities from the combine so you can confirm this on your own.

Examples in MPH throwing to right and left:
Josh Allen - Wyoming - 62 (left), 62 (right): This is rare. Fouts, Elway, and Favre were reportedly at 62-63 as well.
Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma - 59 (left), 60 (right)
Josh Rosen - UCLA - 57 (left), 59 (right)
Mason Rudolph - Oklahoma State - 52 (left), 52 (right)
Lamar Jackson - Louisville - 49 (left), 49 (right)

I picked some references from other drafts (the left / right balance started in 2016 based on INT analytics):
Paxton Lynch, Memphis 59
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58
Jared Goff, California 58
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57
Chase Daniels, Missouri 57
Nick Foles, Arizona 57
Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State 56
Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56
Geno Smith, West Virginia 55
Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech, 55 (Left), 55 (Right)
Joe Flacco, Delaware 55
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54
AJ McCarron, Alabama 53
Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53
Brett Hundley, UCLA 53
DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame, 52 (Left), 52 (Right)
Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 51 (Left), 50 (Right)
Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right)
Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)

 

[slashsteel]

So what’s odd to me is that both Rudolph and Mayfield came out of the Big 12 that people criticize. Mason has the prototypical size for an NFL QB but Mayfield does not. Both put up prolific numbers and have been extremely productive and have excellent win loss records.
Mayfield seems immature with his antics on the field and off. Not a word about Rudolph.
So why does Mayfield get all the attention and Rudolph treated like an after thought? That’s so odd imo.




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Some of it is scheme some is how far each team went by seasons end. Some of it is perceived weaknesses.

I think with Rudolph they nit picked a little.

They did the same with Rodgers.

Let us see what transpires.Not saying he will be a Rodgers but he could be a top ten QB if some things get cleaned up....

 

[slashsteel]

There is no reason to guess about his arm. The vast majority of QB in the NFL have a velocity of 50-60mph and he is on the low end of that range. Some teams actually use either 54 or 55mph as a cutoff for QBs with an NFL arm. So he does not have a strong arm and will have trouble with some passes that require arm talent. However, given his TD/INT ratio and consistent improvement, he has obviously used other skills (like height, fast release, INSANELY high release point, anticipation, film study) to overcome the arm deficiencies. Honestly, his arm is probably bottom 1/3 of the league but it does not bother me because Brees was also 51-52mph. Ourlads has all the velocities from the combine so you can confirm this on your own.

Examples in MPH throwing to right and left:
Josh Allen - Wyoming - 62 (left), 62 (right): This is rare. Fouts, Elway, and Favre were reportedly at 62-63 as well.
Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma - 59 (left), 60 (right)
Josh Rosen - UCLA - 57 (left), 59 (right)
Mason Rudolph - Oklahoma State - 52 (left), 52 (right)
Lamar Jackson - Louisville - 49 (left), 49 (right)

I picked some references from other drafts (the left / right balance started in 2016 based on INT analytics):
Paxton Lynch, Memphis 59
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58
Jared Goff, California 58
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57
Chase Daniels, Missouri 57
Nick Foles, Arizona 57
Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56
Christian Hackenberg, Penn State 56
Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56
Geno Smith, West Virginia 55
Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech, 55 (Left), 55 (Right)
Joe Flacco, Delaware 55
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54
AJ McCarron, Alabama 53
Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53
Brett Hundley, UCLA 53
DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame, 52 (Left), 52 (Right)
Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee 51 (Left), 50 (Right)
Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right)
Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)

And yet he lit it up.

 

[fogdoctor]

Yup. He just compensates with his other skills. IMO he was a better prospect that the other QBs that went before him.

EDIT: I feel the way way about Rudolph so I think it was a fantastic pick.

 

[steelhurt]

Some of it is scheme some is how far each team went by seasons end. Some of it is perceived weaknesses.

I think with Rudolph they nit picked a little.

They did the same with Rodgers.

Let us see what transpires.Not saying he will be a Rodgers but he could be a top ten QB if some things get cleaned up....

Slash I agree with you,especially the nit picking. I like this pick and see this kid only getting better and better.
He can learn by just watching Ben for the next couple years and from Fitchner.


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[AggieSteel]

Wow that's a glowing review

It sounds like, if this writer is correct, we likely just landed the heir apparent. And for the next couple years, if/when Ben has injuries, we aren't chalking up automatic losses anymore. Dude can come in and sling it.

The only thing that worries me is being able to hit those quick outs to AB, since Ben lasers them in there. Also there are plays Ben makes downfield that can't have been made without his arm strength, but most of those are improvised anyway.

 

[ianv2012]

Wow that's a glowing review

It sounds like, if this writer is correct, we likely just landed the heir apparent. And for the next couple years, if/when Ben has injuries, we aren't chalking up automatic losses anymore. Dude can come in and sling it.

The only thing that worries me is being able to hit those quick outs to AB, since Ben lasers them in there. Also there are plays Ben makes downfield that can't have been made without his arm strength, but most of those are improvised anyway.

Where Rudolph excels in what you show concern in is his rhythm and anticipation, Rudolph does an excellent job of throwing wrs open. He puts the ball where it needs to go expecting seperation before it's happened.

 

[Stryker]

Where Rudolph excels in what you show concern in is his rhythm and anticipation, Rudolph does an excellent job of throwing wrs open. He puts the ball where it needs to go expecting seperation before it's happened.

I noted that when I did my writeup on Washington around the combine. You could tell his deep passes were expertly thrown, so I wasn't sure if Washington was a good deep ball receiver, or had the benefit of having a superior QB throwing him open. Looking at more film it looks to me as if both are true.

 

[slashsteel]

I noted that when I did my writeup on Washington around the combine. You could tell his deep passes were expertly thrown, so I wasn't sure if Washington was a good deep ball receiver, or had the benefit of having a superior QB throwing him open. Looking at more film it looks to me as if both are true.

Good thing is Ben can thread that needle too.

And if Washington struggles on the outside you throw Juju there. And put him in the slot. He looks like the type that will excel somewhere.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Rudolph deep balls are like little drops of heaven..perfect every damn time

 

[slashsteel]

Rudolph deep balls are like little drops of heaven..perfect every damn time

 

[antdrewjosh]

Lmao lmao lmao

 

[Stryker]

Good thing is Ben can thread that needle too.

And if Washington struggles on the outside you throw Juju there. And put him in the slot. He looks like the type that will excel somewhere.

And Slash, I've never been happy with Ben's deep ball. It seems to have gotten better the past 2 seasons, but how many times has a receiver had to break their wide open route, to stop and wait for the ball to get there?. I think Ben is the best 10-30yd QB throwing the ball. Less than 10, he thinks too much and holds on to the ball. Over 30 he under throws receivers.

From Rudolph's highlights, he doesn't have Ben's arm strength, but his touch is fantastic.

 

[Iron95]

"Deshaun Watson, Clemson, 45 (Left), 45 (Right)"

And yet he lit it up.

Yea.......I found that interesting also.

 

[SteveA]

You want to know how many QBs careers end? With a brutal hit as they get older.....

This is how I envision Brady’s ending and Ben, while able to dodge bullets the last couple of years, has been known to get injured.

Better to have his replacement available now. This is a great pick at round 3....

I would love for Mason Rudolph to be the QB for years to come and known as the man we fleeced the Raiders for their pick and at the same time dumped Martavius Bryant on them.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

You want to know how many QBs careers end? With a brutal hit as they get older.....

This is how I envision Brady’s ending and Ben, while able to dodge bullets the last couple of years, has been known to get injured.

Better to have his replacement available now. This is a great pick at round 3....

I would love for Mason Rudolph to be the QB for years to come and known as the man we fleeced the Raiders for their pick and at the same time dumped Martavius Bryant on them.

AND leap frogged the Bungles to get. Thereby exacting revenge for them picking William Jackson ahead of us a few years ago when they didn't even need a CB!

 

[Stoney]

Rudoplh is the only player I was happy to see drafted, the rest were just blah.

With Rudolph there is potential, he may become what we hope. This team would never be a contender with Landry or Dobbs, with Rudolph we at least still have hope, time will tell.