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Are Steelers Actually Overachievers?

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We have only had 1/3 of our starting DL pretty much the entire season and the OL was completely replaced with 2 being rookies and
1 a 2nd year player. Given that you'd think we would be in the running for a top 5 pick rather than over .500 at this point.
 
We have only had 1/3 of our starting DL pretty much the entire season and the OL was completely replaced with 2 being rookies and
1 a 2nd year player. Given that you'd think we would be in the running for a top 5 pick rather than over .500 at this point.
The Steelers coaches + front office ****** up the Oline management for this season. The DLine is no one's fault
 
They could have signed Feiler and drafted differently, but I don't think that would have fixed things. Rebuilding an O-line is a multi-year project.
 
I realistically expected Steelers to hover right around .500 this year, so 8-9 wins. They've had some good wins, but overall their lows have been worse than I expected.
 
I realistically expected Steelers to hover right around .500 this year, so 8-9 wins. They've had some good wins, but overall their lows have been worse than I expected.
8 -8-1
 
I guess it depends on what expectations you had before the season started. I thought 20-0 with finally getting number 7.
 
I feel like we are "even" achieving. With the sheer amount of talent on the team (I know others will disagree with that), a .500 season is very realistic, particularly with questionable coaching at various levels. This team could overachieve with good coaching. The coaching at times has looked to be equivalent to underachieving but the talent has been enough to keep it at even. Based on who IS available, not who MIGHT be available.
 
We have only had 1/3 of our starting DL pretty much the entire season and the OL was completely replaced with 2 being rookies and
1 a 2nd year player. Given that you'd think we would be in the running for a top 5 pick rather than over .500 at this point.
Every NFL team has injuries and other issues. There were a couple of teams starting practice squad quarterbacks on Tuesday, including the Browns -- who dropped 8 spots in the AFC standings on a last-second field goal by Las Vegas. That's how much parity there is in the league this year.
 
The Steelers coaches + front office ****** up the Oline management for this season. The DLine is no one's fault
Oh no the Dline is Tombert too. They failed to address the losses. They knew they had an aging NT that was on the downside. Even though he gave good effort. They had plenty of time to bring in a DE. They just went with their roster that was filled with fringe depth and hoped their rookie could fill in the gap. Make no mistake about it Tombert owns those line fails. The off-season and early season is marked with fail.
 
DL is on Tombert

We have an old DL with questionable, at best, depth behind it. Tuitt (who) and Heyward rarely played together...seems like one or the other was always out. Maybe injuries were a product of the no rotation/playing too many snaps (like how they do RBs?) in the MT system. Those guys play their ***** off and always looked gassed in crunch time.

The OL and DL are both squarely on Tombert
 
Overachieving would be a playoff victory, which unfortunately we seem years from
The way the rest of the division is being decimated by the 'Rona I wouldn't rule it out though.
 
Always some excuse every season...blah blah blah. Always fatally flawed, but I tend to look at large bodies of work. At the going rate they will surpass the wait from 1980 for the One For The Thumb.

They're not even knocking on the door each year. You know going deep in the playoffs. Making it to the championship games. Long gone.

***** about to get real. Until they change the culture back, you can forget any standard of excellence.

Which is the marker this organization used to hold itself to.
 
I used to create a mathematical formula using money line and gambling lines to decide "expectations". I think ESPN and some of the others now use something similar as they create their "expected to win" chart during the games.

I mean, we were 6.5 point underdogs in week 1 against Buffalo and won the game. That, by definition, is exceeding expectations (and I would argue exceeding expectations by a lot). The same logic happened in week 2. We were 6 point favorites against Oakland and lost. Arguably, those two games kind of "cancel each other out", almost identically on the "expectation" factor. We were expected to be 1-1 after 2 games and we were 1-1 after 2 games, even if the wins happened kind of against the odds.

I mean, if you apply that same principle to every game using some funny math, you can get expected wins vs. actual wins and decide if Tomlin/team overachieved or underachieved.

Now obviously, this only takes into account the actual perceived level of your team. Bad teams can overachieve by winning 5 games. Good teams can underachieve by winning 10. Sometimes, as Bill Parcells says, you are what your record says you are. Expectations, by definition, are kind of arbitrary, perceived and imaginary. And fans sometimes have overly high expectations (which is why using gambling information seems more neutral).

There is also the thought of measuring expectations from year-to-year. If the expectations year-to-year are going down (in other words, you are favored in less and less games year to year), that might be the most damning thing about your team. If you are expected to win 10 games, then 9 games, then 7 games, you are really moving in the wrong direction and even "exceeding" those win totals doesn't cover up the general degrading of your team.
 
The GM has made some good moves, but once you knew Pouncey was retiring, you would have thought they would have tried to keep either Feiler or Villa.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I'd rather have the 3 other players we lost on the Bush trade up, than Bush.
 
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