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Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship

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Carson's campaign on Friday conceded that a central point in his inspirational personal story did not occur as he previously described.

The academy has occupied a central place in Carson's tale for years. According to a story told in Carson's book, Gifted Hands,� the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson's telling, was followed by a full scholarship to the military academy.

West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598#ixzz3qjb2WtPz

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He's done
 
Ouch...

I really liked his flat tax. Oh well, shoo in President Trump!
 
if he were a Democrat:

1) this wouldnt matter
2) he'd be celebrated as a war hero
 
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Please be slow to just swallow media and it's presentations.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/n...m_content=110615-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

No, Ben Carson Didn't Lie About West Point. It's Another Media Hit Job.

Nver underestimate the capacity of the media to propagandize against Republicans.

That’s the theme of this morning’s overwrought news coverage on Dr. Ben Carson’s supposed “lie” regarding a “scholarship” to West Point. The story began with Politico, which ran with the audacious headline, “Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship.” Even I was taken in by the headline – after all, that’s a pretty bold claim!

Politico began thusly:

Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

The key word here is “fabricated.” Did the Carson campaign admit any such thing? Absolutely not. The facts reported by Politico don’t even support this interpretation of the Carson campaign’s response. According to Politico, Carson said in his 1992 memoir Gifted Hands that he was offered a “full scholarship” to West Point after dining with General William Westmoreland in 1969. Here’s the relevant passage from Carson’s autobiography:

At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade. I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, We had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn’t refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn’t where I saw myself going.

That’s the entire relevant portion of Carson’s account. He reiterated that account last month in an interview with Charlie Rose, when he said, “I was offered a full scholarship at West Point, got to meet General Westmoreland and go to Congressional Medal of Honor dinners. But decided really my pathway would be medicine.”

Politico followed up on this story. They reported one additional pieces of information that seem to conflict with Carson’s story: Carson never applied to West Point, and was never extended admission.

But Carson never said he applied. He said he was extended a full scholarship offer. What’s more, West Point doesn’t offer scholarships: all admission is free contingent on serving in the military afterwards. It thus seems probable that Westmoreland or another military figure tried to recruit Carson, telling him that he wouldn’t have to pay for his education – and that Carson read that as a “full scholarship,” and never applied.

In fact, that’s exactly what Carson’s campaign manager said to Politico in an email:

Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.

But here’s how Politico editorialized: “When presented with this evidence, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.”

That’s nonsense. They did no such thing. They provided details that corroborated Carson’s story and explained his loose use of the language. If someone told you that you could go to college for free, you might reasonably conclude that you had been offered a full scholarship to attend that university. But Politico would call you a liar if you used such language to describe the exchange.

Now, some on the right are saying that Carson should be held to a higher standard here than other candidates because he’s running as an “outsider.” But this is a basic case of misinterpreting facts, not an outright lie. Carson served in ROTC. Prominent people wanted him to go to West Point. He wouldn’t have had to pay. He didn’t apply because he didn’t want to go. Those facts are not in dispute. It’s the specific wording over which media have decided to crucify him.

This is a textbook example of a left-wing media hit. Politico would never editorialize about any Democrat who issued such a response to a factual inquiry in this manner. Politico won’t even conclude that Hillary Clinton lied about her attribution of the Benghazi attacks to a YouTube video despite email evidence that she knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack entirely unrelated to a YouTube video.

But for Ben Carson, they’ll make an exception.

Vile.
 
I just saw that Dj. The media is horrible, all of them.
 
Erick Erickson: "The Beginning Of Ben Carson's End." Fox News contributor and radio host Erickson wrote on his website that the fabrication is the beginning of the end for his campaign:

Carson's life story has been a central point of his appeal and the West Point story has been part of that appeal. If the other campaigns and the media can go after Carson on trust, his campaign is finished. His support levels are very high, but his support is also very, very soft. People are supporting Carson because they are not enamored with the rest of the field, but they are not wedded to him.

As CNN goes

after the knifing story and now the Carson campaign is admitting this fabrication, we're about to see a novice politician with a less than highly skilled campaign begin to head into a storm the candidate himself created. [Erickontheradio.com, 11/6/15]


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Politico reported on November 6 that Carson admitted "that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point":

Ben Carson's campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

The academy has occupied a central place in Carson's tale for years. According to a story told in Carson's book, "Gifted Hands," the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson's telling, was followed by a "full scholarship" to the military academy.

West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

"In 1969, those who would have completed the entire process would have received their acceptance letters from the Army Adjutant General," said Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman for the academy. She said West Point has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process. "If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such," she said.

When presented with this evidence, Carson's campaign conceded the story was false. [Politico, 11/6/15]
 
Erick Erickson: "The Beginning Of Ben Carson's End." Fox News contributor and radio host Erickson wrote on his website that the fabrication is the beginning of the end for his campaign:

Carson's life story has been a central point of his appeal and the West Point story has been part of that appeal. If the other campaigns and the media can go after Carson on trust, his campaign is finished. His support levels are very high, but his support is also very, very soft. People are supporting Carson because they are not enamored with the rest of the field, but they are not wedded to him.

As CNN goes

after the knifing story and now the Carson campaign is admitting this fabrication, we're about to see a novice politician with a less than highly skilled campaign begin to head into a storm the candidate himself created. [Erickontheradio.com, 11/6/15]


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Politico reported on November 6 that Carson admitted "that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point":

Ben Carson's campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

The academy has occupied a central place in Carson's tale for years. According to a story told in Carson's book, "Gifted Hands," the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson's telling, was followed by a "full scholarship" to the military academy.

West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

"In 1969, those who would have completed the entire process would have received their acceptance letters from the Army Adjutant General," said Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman for the academy. She said West Point has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process. "If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such," she said.

When presented with this evidence, Carson's campaign conceded the story was false. [Politico, 11/6/15]

This is all dated, and has been rebutted...if ya read the thread (especially the post prior to yours). But hey, thanks for reposting essentially what Spike did when he started the thread.
 
There is absolutely no way you can misinterpret being admitted to a U.S. Service Academy. You have to apply through your congressman or senator, get your appointment there and then be accepted by one of the academies. It’s a long process and a big deal when you receive an appointment. There is no way Ben mixed this up, he embellished the whole story.
 
Read the Facebook

Aug

The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.
Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point


https://www.facebook.com/realbencarson/posts/513020902197714
 
There is absolutely no way you can misinterpret being admitted to a U.S. Service Academy. You have to apply through your congressman or senator, get your appointment there and then be accepted by one of the academies. It’s a long process and a big deal when you receive an appointment. There is no way Ben mixed this up, he embellished the whole story.

No offer of admission without a nomination.

http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/faq_admission.aspx
 
There is absolutely no way you can misinterpret being admitted to a U.S. Service Academy. You have to apply through your congressman or senator, get your appointment there and then be accepted by one of the academies. It’s a long process and a big deal when you receive an appointment. There is no way Ben mixed this up, he embellished the whole story.

and he said he didnt.
 
is it beyond the grasp of imagination for Westmoreland to have recruited him? Maybe by saying it wouldnt cost him a dime? And Carson misinterpreted that?

yes?
 
is it beyond the grasp of imagination for Westmoreland to have recruited him? Maybe by saying it wouldnt cost him a dime? And Carson misinterpreted that?

yes?

Carson not understanding something? Yes, oh yes that's believable. Like how little room there is inside a pyramid for storage.
 
Dems are just sizing on this because they want to muddy the water. Hillary has hundreds of lies and they'll vote for her. She's had so many lies I can't remember them all. She lied about Benghazi, she lied about being under fire, she lied about her e-mails etc... But yet not ONE dem in here will say a damn word but they'll vote for that lying sack of humanity.
 
Dems are just sizing on this because they want to muddy the water. Hillary has hundreds of lies and they'll vote for her. She's had so many lies I can't remember them all. She lied about Benghazi, she lied about being under fire, she lied about her e-mails etc... But yet not ONE dem in here will say a damn word but they'll vote for that lying sack of humanity.

The dems at Fox news say this:

Ben Carson's presidential campaign pushed back Friday at a published report questioning a seminal moment in the personal narrative of the Republican candidate -- that the top U.S. general in the Vietnam War had been so impressed during a dinner with the young Carson that he was guaranteed a "full scholarship" to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

Academy officials, responding to the POLITICO report Friday, confirmed that there is no record of Carson ever applying to the elite military academy, much less gaining entrance or a scholarship offer.

But in Carson's 1996 memoir "Gifted Hands," he appears to tell a different story: that the young Carson, a 17-year-old top ROTC officer from Detroit, had dined with Gen. William Westmoreland, who was a fresh out of his command in Vietnam, in 1969. He said he was immediately offered a full scholarship by West Point. He has said in the retelling of the story that that he turned down the supposed offer because he wanted to be a doctor. He later graduated from Yale University in 1973.

A West Point spokesperson told POLITICO that that it was "certainly possible" that Carson spoke with the general, and the four-star may have even encouraged the teenager to apply, but the school has a rigorous entry process that would not have allowed Westmoreland to guarantee anyone entry. Furthermore, there are no "full scholarships" to the academy.

According to Westmoreland's schedule, he wasn't even in Detroit at the time.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/06/carson-west-point-campaign-controversy/
 
I'm not talking about Fox news. I'm talking about your blatant hypocrisy. You ***** about Carson (even if you don't know the truth yet) but are ok with Hillary hundreds of lies. Even though her lies are 1000X worse because she committed illegal activity. She should be in jail. We just learned now she signed a disclosure document in 2009. But not a peep from you or your buddies about that huh?
 
So Westmoreland still has his schedule from 50 years ago and knows that he was not in Detroit at that particular time?
 
I'm not talking about Fox news. I'm talking about your blatant hypocrisy. You ***** about Carson (even if you don't know the truth yet) but are ok with Hillary hundreds of lies. Even though her lies are 1000X worse because she committed illegal activity. She should be in jail. We just learned now she signed a disclosure document in 2009. But not a peep from you or your buddies about that huh?

She would be in jail if any of the allegations were proved. They weren't. Oh, and this just in:

Key Clinton emails did not contain highly classified secrets, inquiry finds
'The initial determination was based on a flawed process,' a source says.
By JOSH GERSTEIN 11/06/15 01:40 PM EST

The U.S. intelligence community has retreated from claims that two emails in Hillary Clinton’s private account contained top secret information


Meanwhile the good doctor lied in his book and countless interviews all while not knowing that the Egyptians could write and actually said why they built the pyramids, for whom, by whom, and when.

Defend him on the merits if you can and quit deflecting. There are hundreds of Hillary threads to trash her if you wish.
 
So Westmoreland still has his schedule from 50 years ago and knows that he was not in Detroit at that particular time?

He's dead but they do have the schedule, according to that liberal rag, Foxnews
 
She would be in jail if any of the allegations were proved. They weren't. Oh, and this just in:

Meanwhile the good doctor lied in his book and countless interviews all while not knowing that the Egyptians could write and actually said why they built the pyramids, for whom, by whom, and when.

Defend him on the merits if you can and quit deflecting. There are hundreds of Hillary threads to trash her if you wish.

I'm not deflect anything. You are a hypocrite because you hold one person to a different standard than another because you like their politics. I don't give a damn about Carson's pyramids. That's just you trying to make **** out of nothing. Again Hillary has lied repeatedly and you don't care because you like her and want her to win. So get over yourself and admit the truth instead of covering for a liar.

Also again you don't know what you are talking about. Her e-mails don't have to be classified. I'll bet you anything they were and you know it but it doesn't matter. She signed a non-disclosure form:

http://www.hngn.com/articles/147903...bility-identifying-classified-information.htm
 
I'm not deflect anything. You are a hypocrite because you hold one person to a different standard than another because you like their politics. I don't give a damn about Carson's pyramids. That's just you trying to make **** out of nothing. Again Hillary has lied repeatedly and you don't care because you like her and want her to win. So get over yourself and admit the truth instead of covering for a liar.

Also again you don't know what you are talking about. Her e-mails don't have to be classified. I'll bet you anything they were and you know it but it doesn't matter. She signed a non-disclosure form:

http://www.hngn.com/articles/147903...bility-identifying-classified-information.htm

wouldn't that be racism or bigotry?
 
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