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Cap Class: Antonio Brown, Can He Be Traded?

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By G.Stryker Cap Class is a series where I break down the cap to find the amounts associated with the roster, dead money, or future cost of players. *Dollar amounts and cap cost may not be exciting, but they can be interesting when you look inside the numbers. I will place explanations inside of {braces}, […]

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Thanks. Exactly what I thought. Lots of BS gets thrown around. I even heard 6 million here yesterday. I was like no way. Guaranteed money is exactly that. Their true choice would be to trade him obviously for a very high pick this year (not gonna get that offer), and eat it this year. Trade him for next years draft and spread out the cap hit. Work it out and he plays next year at least. I would say the last two are only realistic options.
 
Well researched and put together. Thanks for keeping it simple.
 
Is he really in his prime though? I'd be willing to bet he's had his best statistical seasons already. Especially if he goes to a team with a mediocre QB.

If you were ever going to trade a GOAT type player, around age 30 is the time to do it because you had him for his best years and can get maximum value for him before a talent drop becomes apparent. The only bad timing of it all is that it likely leaves Ben short handed on O to go for another SB push before he retires. Unless they're active in free agency or strike gold drafting yet another WR. Although they've won the SB with Cedric Wilson as a starting WR so I guess anything is possible as long as Ben is behind center.
 
Is he really in his prime though? I'd be willing to bet he's had his best statistical seasons already. Especially if he goes to a team with a mediocre QB.

If you were ever going to trade a GOAT type player, around age 30 is the time to do it because you had him for his best years and can get maximum value for him before a talent drop becomes apparent. The only bad timing of it all is that it likely leaves Ben short handed on O to go for another SB push before he retires. Unless they're active in free agency or strike gold drafting yet another WR. Although they've won the SB with Cedric Wilson as a starting WR so I guess anything is possible as long as Ben is behind center.

Normally, I'd agree a 30yr old isn't in their prime, but AB is a specimen. His only peer on the field and working out, it Jerry Rice. Rice wasn't halfway through his career at this point, and his best years were 9, 10 & 11. AB finished 9 with a career best in TDs, and pretty much matches Rice's 12th year in productivity. Comparing him to the best, he's going to have another 4-5 years at a high level. A good QB would help him keep up those numbers, but a lot has to fall the Steelers way, in compensation, and giving back some or all of his prorated signing bonus, to make it work this year.
 
Normally, I'd agree a 30yr old isn't in their prime, but AB is a specimen. His only peer on the field and working out, it Jerry Rice. Rice wasn't halfway through his career at this point, and his best years were 9, 10 & 11. AB finished 9 with a career best in TDs, and pretty much matches Rice's 12th year in productivity. Comparing him to the best, he's going to have another 4-5 years at a high level. A good QB would help him keep up those numbers, but a lot has to fall the Steelers way, in compensation, and giving back some or all of his prorated signing bonus, to make it work this year.

and wr's dont take the beating they used to, it's a pass happy league with rules to protect the offensive players.

I will say what Rice did is more amazing than what AB has done, Rice did it in the run happy NFL without the rules to protect offenses.
 

Bouchette is muddying the waters:

If he plays in 2019, his salary cap figure will be $22,165,000. If they trade him, his salary cap figure will be $21,120,000.

But there’s more than that. What isn’t being taken into account is his 2019 salary of $12,625,000 that won’t be paid and will be wiped from their cap, even though Brown’s individual cap figure will technically remain the same. Also, Brown is due a $2.5 million roster bonus five days after the new league season begins March 13.

That’s a real AND cap savings of more than $15 million in salary and bonus that won’t be paid or count if they trade him before March 18. (No trades are permitted before March 13, so they would have a five-day window to do so.)

That brings his realistic salary cap hit down to $6 million if they trade him by then, although technically on the books it will be that $21 million-plus in “dead money.” Plus, it would eliminate him from the books forever after 2019.

He's trying to subtract salary and bonus money from the cap to get to the $6M value. It doesn't work that way. As soon as the player is released, so is the salary and any bonuses after the date of release. The Dead Money is still the Dead Money. You can't sweep $21M off the cap, it doesn't work that way.

It's either $21M this year, or $7M this year and $14M next year. Unless AB wants to give back some of his 'young money'...
 
Bouchette is muddying the waters:



He's trying to subtract salary and bonus money from the cap to get to the $6M value. It doesn't work that way. As soon as the player is released, so is the salary and any bonuses after the date of release. The Dead Money is still the Dead Money. You can't sweep $21M off the cap, it doesn't work that way.

It's either $21M this year, or $7M this year and $14M next year. Unless AB wants to give back some of his 'young money'...

Dead money and Cap Hit are not the same term. The Cap hit is 6m, the dead money is 21m. The cap hit value is what drives the trade market, not the dead money.
 
can't we just say AB voided his contract by skipping mandatory practices, appointments, and meetings, without communication.
 
can't we just say AB voided his contract by skipping mandatory practices, appointments, and meetings, without communication.

You'd think there would be something in the contract to that effect. If not I bet there will be going forward.
 
You'd think there would be something in the contract to that effect. If not I bet there will be going forward.

Yup....
 
can't we just say AB voided his contract by skipping mandatory practices, appointments, and meetings, without communication.

Sure...But he would walk compensation free....
 
Bouchette is muddying the waters:



He's trying to subtract salary and bonus money from the cap to get to the $6M value. It doesn't work that way. As soon as the player is released, so is the salary and any bonuses after the date of release. The Dead Money is still the Dead Money. You can't sweep $21M off the cap, it doesn't work that way.

It's either $21M this year, or $7M this year and $14M next year. Unless AB wants to give back some of his 'young money'...

Yeah i dont know why he's trying to combine actual cash savings with salary cap figures. Sure they're taking a negative 21M vs the cap and not paying 15M to him, but it's not only 6m dead cap.

I dunno maybe he is saying that the trade could theoretically open that cash to be spent on other players(and amortized some way). Any way it's confusing and he's conflating concepts.

If the trade is good enough I make it, especially to an NFC team.
 
Dead money and Cap Hit are not the same term. The Cap hit is 6m, the dead money is 21m. The cap hit value is what drives the trade market, not the dead money.

Wouldn't a team absorbing his contract be taking his full salary and roster bonus this year? That's 15m, not 6M.
 
Dead money and Cap Hit are not the same term. The Cap hit is 6m, the dead money is 21m. The cap hit value is what drives the trade market, not the dead money.

Dead money must be subtracted from the salary cap. That is the the rule for money your team is allowed to spend. When the dead money is this large, it negatively affects the team's ability to make trades, and bring in new players. Because your team would be in 'cap hell' ala the Redskins when Snyder first took over.

Bouchette is subtracting potential money from the dead money. That does not affect the Steeler's cap at all.
 
So if I follow then if Antonio Brown plays for the Steelers next year the team will pay a salary of $12,625,000 plus a roster bonus of $2,500,000 and a prorated portion of the signing bonus of $7,040,000. If Antonio Brown plays we pay $22,165,000 against the cap. This is already calculated against next year's cap. If Antonio is released pre-June 1st, he has a cap hit of $21,120,000 against next year's cap. So the cap space for the $21 million is already tied up no matter what we do. Do we want to pay $22 million for the best receiver in football (already in the cap) or do we want to get draft picks for this year and pay $21 million dead money(cap hit if released)? The argument of $21 million dead money killing our cap assumes that we would still have Brown's current cap hit on our books. We would not. The cap he is already calculated to have in 2019 would go away and be replaced by $21 million. If that is indeed $22,165,000 already for next year then we'd actually save $1,045,000 on the cap by releasing him before his roster bonus. We could take the whole hit this year and have a slightly lower cap hit than keeping him.

I don't follow the $6 million on Ed's article but I do follow replacing current cap on the books ($22,165,000) with traded cap to be on the books ($21,120,000) being pretty much a wash. If that is true then trading him becomes a definite possibility.
 
Newport - you are combining apples and oranges. One is money to be paid, the other is dead money against the cap that has already been paid.

Re-read the above original explanation, for the dead money info. Yes they would save money by not paying the contract, but dead money is a direct hit for all remaining portions of carried forward cap hits.

This is why I am not a big fan of rolling salaries into bonuses. It does help in the short term, but bites you in the *** if a player does not play out their contract.
 
Cope, thanks for the plain and simple English explaination of this "CAP" infraction of trading smarty pants off. One side of me says GET RID OF HIM, the other says hard to replace this level of talent. My commen cents part say wait and see what is offered or potential trade. VS value received. Also talk to Larry Fitz. And see what he has going on and maybe a Peterson / Fitzgerald for BROWN deal might get made???




Salute the nation
 
Here’s a closer look at Antonio Brown’s contract


Here’s a look at specific aspects of Brown’s most recent contract that should be considered by the Steelers, by Brown, and by anyone trying to figure out what will happen next.

1. The structure.

Two years ago, the Steelers signed Brown to a four-year, $68 million extension. Consistent with the team’s refusal to guarantee money beyond the first year, the contract contained only $19 million in fully-guaranteed money, paid out in the form of a signing bonus.

By not including fully-guaranteed payments beyond the first year, the Steelers sacrificed any leverage that would go along with having the ability to void future guarantees. Instead, the Steelers can recover only the unearned portion of Brown’s signing bonus ($11.4 million at this point), for limited circumstances such as retirement.

2. The restructuring.

The Steelers routinely convert large base salaries into guaranteed payments as a cap-management device. Entering the second year of Brown’s contract, the Steelers switched $12.96 million of Brown’s $13.875 million base salary into a guaranteed payment, spreading $3.24 million over each of the remaining four years.

The Steelers can’t get any of that money back, but they’ll have to account for the remaining $9.72 million under the cap, whether he’s on the team or not.

3. The roster bonus.

Brown’s 2019 compensation package consists of a $12.625 million base salary and a roster bonus of $2.5 million. The roster bonus comes due on March 17. As a practical matter, that’s the deadline for making a decision on Brown for the coming season — unless they want to pay him $2.5 million for the privilege of making a decision later.

4. The remaining value.

If the Steelers choose to trade Brown, the contract is attractive. Beyond the $15.125 million he’s due to earn in 2019, Brown has a base salary of $11.3 million in 2020 and $12.5 million in 2021.

That’s a total of $38.925 million for three years, an average of $12.975 million per year. And that’s a good deal for whoever gets Brown — so good that he may want a raise from his next team, if a trade happens.

5. The cap hit.

Due to the $19 million signing bonus paid in 2017 and $12.96 million restructuring bonus paid in 2018, Brown has $21.12 million in paid but not allocated money. Which means that, if Brown is cut or traded before June 1, the Steelers will carry a $21.12 million cap charge for Brown in 2019.

He also can be cut before June 1 with a post-June 1 designation. This would keep his salary on the books until June 1, at which time the cap hit would fall to $7.04 million this year, with the remaining $14.08 million hitting the cap in 2020. The same thing would happen if Brown is traded after June 1; however, the Steelers will have paid him $2.5 million, which would be added to his cap burden for 2019.

6. The net cap gain (in theory).

Some have shrugged at the potential cap consequences for cutting or trading Brown before June 1 because, if he’s on the team, his cap charge will be $22.165 million. In other words, moving him before June 1 actually results in a lower cap charge for 2019. Of course, the Steelers wouldn’t have him on the roster, which means they’d have to replace him within the confines of a total cap reduced by $21.12 million.

Also, the “it will be cheaper under the cap to cut him” argument ignores the reality that the Steelers could have converted a large piece of the $12.625 million base salary to a guaranteed payment, easily carving millions off this year’s cap number, if he’s on the team. In other words, the cap number likely would have ended up being much lower than $22.165 million under normal circumstances.

7. The team’s leverage.

If the Steelers decide to keep Brown but Brown wants out, the Steelers will have a tough decision to make. Keeping him against his wishes could result in Brown holding out or, quite possibly, holding in.

In other words, he could show up for all mandatory activities and do the bare minimum, with the least amount of engagement and enthusiasm possible, avoiding a fine or a suspension for conduct detrimental to the team.

Of course, the Steelers could play hardball, ending years of apathy regarding Brown’s antics by pushing him hard, coaching him aggressively, and punishing him whenever he crosses the line. That could set him off, culminating in a T.O.-style four-game suspension and then, if the behavior continues, another one.

It therefore would be better for the Steelers if Brown just stayed away, but it’s unlikely he’d do it. There’s too much unpaid money to lose and too much unearned money he’d have to pay back if he stopped showing up.

Still, the situation has reached a point at which the team must make a decision as to whether Brown will be a part of it, and it needs to be a decision that takes into account all options and permutations and the consequences, intended and possibly unintended from whatever they do. Brown has decisions to make, too.

Perhaps, in the end, the best move could be for the team to cut the cord, bite the $21.12 million cap bullet, get what they can for Brown, and wash their hands of him for good.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...res-a-closer-look-at-antonio-browns-contract/
 
and wr's dont take the beating they used to, it's a pass happy league with rules to protect the offensive players.

I will say what Rice did is more amazing than what AB has done, Rice did it in the run happy NFL without the rules to protect offenses.

Like the generation before me unanimously says Jim Brown was the greatest RB of all time and no one argues the point with them;
Jerry Rice is the undeniable GOAT WR. No one else. Not Moss, Owens, Brown, AB. Rice was in a league of his own.
 
Like the generation before me unanimously says Jim Brown was the greatest RB of all time and no one argues the point with them;
Jerry Rice is the undeniable GOAT WR. No one else. Not Moss, Owens, Brown, AB. Rice was in a league of his own.

I think AB is narrowing that gap on Rice and he is tough enough to have survived in that era physically.

Mentally is a whole different story, he is struggling in this era with it.
 
So if I follow then if Antonio Brown plays for the Steelers next year the team will pay a salary of $12,625,000 plus a roster bonus of $2,500,000 and a prorated portion of the signing bonus of $7,040,000. If Antonio Brown plays we pay $22,165,000 against the cap. This is already calculated against next year's cap. If Antonio is released pre-June 1st, he has a cap hit of $21,120,000 against next year's cap. So the cap space for the $21 million is already tied up no matter what we do. Do we want to pay $22 million for the best receiver in football (already in the cap) or do we want to get draft picks for this year and pay $21 million dead money(cap hit if released)? The argument of $21 million dead money killing our cap assumes that we would still have Brown's current cap hit on our books. We would not. The cap he is already calculated to have in 2019 would go away and be replaced by $21 million. If that is indeed $22,165,000 already for next year then we'd actually save $1,045,000 on the cap by releasing him before his roster bonus. We could take the whole hit this year and have a slightly lower cap hit than keeping him.

I don't follow the $6 million on Ed's article but I do follow replacing current cap on the books ($22,165,000) with traded cap to be on the books ($21,120,000) being pretty much a wash. If that is true then trading him becomes a definite possibility.

100% right with the numbers for next year.

The only difference in the numbers is what you get for the investment.

Paying $22M you have the best WR in the game, and makes your team a top 3 offense.

Counting $21M against the cap, and you lose your star receiver, you have to find a replacement veteran, and if you get a top one, you're paying an additional $8-$12M. The draft pick(s) you gain, have to offset that cap hit. So now you have the possibility of falling out of the top 10 on offense, removing one player and replacing him with rookies. $29-$33M will be the cap hit to replace AB with Fitz. Fitz can fit this mold, as he's a FA and doesn't have more than 2 years left in him, but could work very well with JuJu.

That's why I'm a 3 1st rounder guy. That's the value. It's a Herschel Walker player we have, lets scuttle a team to move AB, I'm all for it. And Walker was traded for 5 players and 8 draft picks.
 
I'd be very cautious about trading Brown.

He's the No. 1 asset on the team other than,maybe, BR.

Dealing players of that type usually doesn't turn out well...And getting draft picks can be a crap shoot.

If they can get a Khalil Mack type of player, a clear-cut - and young - standout, fine.

But otherwise, I'd try hard to work it out.

Just sayin'.
 
I'd be very cautious about trading Brown.

He's the No. 1 asset on the team other than,maybe, BR.

Dealing players of that type usually doesn't turn out well...And getting draft picks can be a crap shoot.

If they can get a Khalil Mack type of player, a clear-cut - and young - standout, fine.

But otherwise, I'd try hard to work it out.

Just sayin'.

BR is the No. 1 asset and it's not even close. I don't see how they can keep a guy that has pulled this ****, walked out on the team, mocked his coach during his presser. If they bring him back does anyone think he's going to give full effort, especially in low scoring tight games when he's not getting the ball?
 
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