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Chris Matthews doesn't like the term"pro abortion", prefers "pro abortion rights".

If you are going to use lefty talking points you need to get them correct. And there is no better place than MSNBC to orient one the right way......oh......er.....the left way.
 
Its funny how Neo-Socialists frame things as rights when they want to ensure a practice. Its odd that we grant women the right to opt out of parental responsibility by infanticide but won't allow a man to to opt out of parental responsibility via family law. A woman kills a child because she doesn't want kids prior to birth is cool. A man opting out of responsibility and liability on paper(and financial slavery to the state and a woman) before the child is born is an outrage. I find abortion personally repugnant and morally reprehensible. I will not prohibit you from doing it though and I want to be left out of funding it through the taxes I pay. Have all the abortions you want ladies but pay for them your selves.
 
Yeah, abortion is just fine and dandy but no one wants to say they're in favor of it. Peculiar isn't it?
 
Why not just call it what it is....scraping of the mothers uterus and slicing the unborn fetus apart in pieces via curette?
 
It amazes me that people that constantly ***** that government had way too much control over people's lives can be perfectly fine with the idea that the government should be able to tell a woman what she can and cannot do as it pertains to things that are occurring inside of her own body. Government can't really get any bigger or more intrusive than when it's making decisions about other people's internal physiology. You all seem to equate taxation as legalized thievery on the part of the government, yet find it completely acceptable for that same government to tell a woman she has to allow something that is growing inside of her to continue to grow inside of her whether she wants it to or not. I completely understand anyone that thinks abortion is immoral, but why should your sense of what is immoral have any bearing on what a woman wants to do with her own body.
 
RollRed said:
It amazes me that people that constantly ***** that government had way too much control over people's lives can be perfectly fine with the idea that the government should be able to tell a woman what she can and cannot do as it pertains to things that are occurring inside of her own body.
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It is because you think of that 'thing' as her body, when we think of it as a life that is being extinguished.

The same people that think it is ok to extinguish this life because it is just a lump of tissue and it is the woman's body are the same ones that won't let people designate that their organ donations be sold to the highest bidders. A real lump of tissue and their body, but they can't do as they please. Hmmm.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
I would stop right there and dig in to what exactly he finds wrong with the term "pro abortion". That would get interesting quickly.
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It's pretty simple, is it not? Nobody is pro-abortion. Nobody wants to have an abortion. Just like nobody is pro-war.
 
DBS1970 said:
Its funny how Neo-Socialists frame things as rights when they want to ensure a practice. Its odd that we grant women the right to opt out of parental responsibility by infanticide but won't allow a man to to opt out of parental responsibility via family law. A woman kills a child because she doesn't want kids prior to birth is cool. A man opting out of responsibility and liability on paper(and financial slavery to the state and a woman) before the child is born is an outrage. I find abortion personally repugnant and morally reprehensible. I will not prohibit you from doing it though and I want to be left out of funding it through the taxes I pay. Have all the abortions you want ladies but pay for them your selves.
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Oh, there's a double standard, no doubt.

Do you know that if a man thinks he is the father of a child and agrees to pay child support and then later finds out he is not the father and wants to end the support, the courts will say "Tough ****! Keep paying or hope the real dad comes forward."
 
Troglodyte said:
It's pretty simple, is it not? Nobody is pro-abortion. Nobody wants to have an abortion. Just like nobody is pro-war.
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Sure, but the interesting part would be the answer to the follow up question - what's so bad about abortion?
 
I kind of agree.

I do not personally believe in using abortion as a means of birth control, but it is not MY right to dictate to someone else about their body. I am Pro-Life, but will ALWAYS vote Pro-Choice.
 
Max Power said:
Well that depends upon your religious background for the most part.
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While I don't know anyone who opposes abortion that isn't a Christian (or somewhat religious), I wouldn't say that is required. To me, the only thing required is this question: "Do you believe the fetus is a human life and/or at what point would you consider it so?"

Once that 'lump of tissue' is considered a human life, I consider it murder to kill it.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
OK, what would the answer be from an atheist? What's so bad about abortions?
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I consider it a bad choice for Birth Control. You want to lobby for the Pro-Abortion group, there are openings.

I'm not for or against. It's normally not my business. Color me Pro-Choice.
 
Max Power said:
Well that depends upon your religious background for the most part.
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Or your opinion as to when life is sacred.

Abortion = murder

But the mother was raped.

Oh, then it's just an abortion.

OK then!
 
CharlesDavenport said:
Sure, but the interesting part would be the answer to the follow up question - what's so bad about abortion?
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Not much, considering that a lot more Democrats get abortions than Republicans, thus leaving less future Democrats. One reason why Bomma wants more immigrants to level the playing field.
 
Troglodyte said:
Or your opinion as to when life is sacred.

Abortion = murder

But the mother was raped.

Oh, then it's just an abortion.

OK then!
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Definitely, a moral dilemma. There are lots of people who are against the idea of abortion in cases of rape or incest, too. I don't know what percentage of "anti-abortion" people these are, but I'd bet a significant minority.

I'm not one of those and I can recognize the dilemma.
 
Troglodyte said:
Or your opinion as to when life is sacred.

Abortion = murder

But the mother was raped.

Oh, then it's just an abortion.

OK then!
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There atheists who are pro-life, any moral person recognizes the wrong in destroying a human life. The whole rape and incest argument is a red herring. If abortions were limited to cases of medical need, rape or incest there would be very few abortions performed. The fact is 99% of abortion is nothing more than post conception birth control.
 
So what if it's post-conception birth control?

Again, I'm not here spouting the entire liberal agenda on this. I'd like to see some greater restrictions to 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions.

But there is no evidence there is any "fetal pain or suffering" when terminating a 1st trimester pregnancy. It is not a "miniature baby" that's crying while being aborted. It's a bunch of cells the size of a walnut.

So what if it's terminated as birth control? That's exactly what it is.

The hypocritical thing that no republican wants to talk about is when abortion was illegal in this country, they were still happening by the millions. It was just segregated into two subsets: 1) Those with money had access to safe abortions and 2) Those without money had access to unsafe abortions

The rich and powerful never had a hard time finding an abortion when they needed it. And so-called right-wing religious people never prosecuted them. Back then it was "family business" you didn't talk about in good company.

But God forbid a poor person tries to get an abortion when it's against the law. Then you persecute them and use them as some righteous poster example of the moral decay of America. It's hypocritical and the right-wing knows it, which is why anti-abortion is a non-issue to most of America. It shouldn't even be on a political platform anymore and thank God it's been so little of the talk this primary season.
 
I'm just as MT-Forged said: pro-life, but pro-choice
I also agree with what DBS said.

as for "it" being a clump of cells, it's a clump of cells with a nervous system after the 16th day.
http://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-brain-nervous-system/

which means this walnut can feel when it's appendages are being cut away from it, the walnut can feel when it's being sucked out of the womb, the walnut can't understand what is going on, but can feel it.

to me, that sounds pretty goddamn awful.
 
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