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So, I've been away from here for a bit.

1) Seems that Trog has had the upper hand in deflecting this thread. His purpose is to change the narrative to another futile progressive trope.


He is attempting to lessen the evil that has been done to the people of the world by their own governments and public health officials.

2) Steelersreign, fedderone, SIL, OFTB, Dino, DJfan, et al: the conversations on God and the nature of man are great to read, think on, and debate. This clearly should have its own thread, and would be a wonderful place to have inputs and dialogs, quick wisdom and long thoughts, debates and comparisons, and things of that nature, whilst our world walks away from the firm peace of the recent past and onto the crumbling ledge of global conflict/war.

The many who lurk and just read would be better off from reading your discourse on humanity and God's world, if you could be so generous.

3) Why isn't Fauci in jail NOW?

Go Steelers!
Con - WELCOME BACK!
Would LOVE a thread of its own to continue speaking about the word of God. It does deserve its own thread so we can focus solely on that and not have COVID, politics, and Trog Waffles doing his best leapfrog impersonation sidetracking us.
 
It’s not undeniably wrong. You’ve come to the conclusion that it wasn’t the teen dressing room simply because he didn’t specify.



You literally wanted security guards outside of women’s restrooms to keep men out and now it’s no big deal when Dear Leader brags about it? You’re in a cult, Tim.
so i clicked on your link and scrolled to...


Trump backstage activity in ‘97 exaggerated, says former Miss Teen NM​

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by Andy LymanOctober 13, 2016

Republican Presidential Nominee Donald Trump reportedly showed up backstage before a teen beauty pageant in 1997, while at least some contestants were still getting dressed.

A former Miss Teen New Mexico contestant that year confirmed that Trump made his way backstage at the Miss Teen USA pageant, but told NM Political Report that some reports of his actions have been exaggerated.

Victoria Hughes, Miss Teen New Mexico in 1997, said she remembers chaperones “saying that we had a visitor and to get covered up,” but stopped short of accusing Trump of inappropriate behavior.

“While I do not support Donald Trump, stories about him barging in on teenage girls is not correct,” Hughes wrote in an email to NM Political Report. “Our chaperones would never have allowed that to happen, and no one, not even Donald, deserves to be lied about in this way.”


Other contestants from the same pageant told Buzzfeed they remember Trump going backstage before they were fully dressed. One contestant reportedly recalled his presence backstage as “creepy” and “shocking.”

Trump owned both the Miss USA and Miss Teen USA pageants at the time. He sold the pageants last year after a backlash to remarks he made about Mexicans when he launched his campaign.

In her email, Hughes said she was the oldest contestant that year in South Padre Island, Texas and remembers being in the back of the dressing room when “the black curtains opened and in walks Mr. Trump smiling.”

She admitted that she was surprised to see him at that specific moment.

“As teenagers, it no doubt caught us off guard, as the timing of the introduction could’ve been better and less awkward for us all,” Hughes wrote.

Hughes now runs her own pageant, Mrs. US Universal, and said as a business owner “integrity and character is everything.”

“I’m not going to stand by and let somebody else say these things,” Hughes told NM Political Report in a brief phone interview.

NM Political Report reached out to the New Mexico Trump campaign through a spokesman for the Republican Party of New Mexico for a comment. We will update this post if they respond.

Trump’s campaign took a hit in the past week after leaked audio from 2005 showed him boasting to then-Access Hollywood host Billy Bush about how he “just start kissing” women.

“And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything,” Trump said in the audio. “Grab them by the *****. You can do anything.”

CNN also recently released audio from an interview with Howard Stern where Trump talked about going backstage at pageants he owned.

“Well, I’ll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump told Stern.

Miss Washington from 2013 said earlier this year that Trump groped her during that year’s competition.

Hughes wouldn’t weigh-in on other allegations, but stood by her memory of 1997.

“I cannot account for his actions during other times and places, but I can assure you that it did not happen at Miss Teen USA 1997,” Hughes wrote (emphasis hers).


this was the first link of somewhat legit repute. the other links were wikipedia, "history of trump allegations", some videos, imdb and The Guardian.

so... do tell... what is the take from this? i tried to highlight the part of relevance, but I'm sure you'll miss it.
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And there it is.
Your delusions and false equivalence again while ignoring the glaring reason for the unwavering support for Trump.

You have yet to prove Trump is a pedo.
You literally just said you don’t care if he is one.
When has Trump ever accused of sexual misconduct while serving in office?
So as long as he doesn’t do it anymore what’s your point? His victims should get over his past assaults?
Bill Clinton was, so was Biden. While serving the American people.
On my time. On your time…. you simpleton liberal - redundant I know.
What misconduct are you referring to and what could possibly be your point?
 
Of note - even though we all are already aware - Flog doesn’t give a damn that Clinton and Biden groped, felt up or raped kids.
 
Of note - even though we all are already aware - Flog doesn’t give a damn that Clinton and Biden groped, felt up or raped kids.
Amazing, isn’t it?
If they have a D behind their name. identify as liberal, and/or hate Trump, too, it’s just right wing conspiracy lies about them.
 
Con - WELCOME BACK!
Would LOVE a thread of its own to continue speaking about the word of God. It does deserve its own thread so we can focus solely on that and not have COVID, politics, and Trog Waffles doing his best leapfrog impersonation sidetracking us.
Absolutely, thousands of years of things to talk about.
Would one thread be enough?
 
Absolutely, thousands of years of things to talk about.
Would one thread be enough?
Should be.
It’s best to just let the Lord work through us simply conversing about Him and let the conversation free flow. No reason to limit the conversation to one specific topic. We’ll all have different perspectives and will come at topics from various angles.
 
Of note - even though we all are already aware - Flog doesn’t give a damn that Clinton and Biden groped, felt up or raped kids.
It is hilarious to me that there are actual pics of Clinton with young girls, he got blowjobs from a very young intern IN the Oval Office and liberals are all “Well yuk yuk that’s just Bill, his private life is none of our business…but TRUMP IS A PEDO!!!!’”
 
You literally just said you don’t care if he is one.
Ask me if I care when you prove he is one.
So as long as he doesn’t do it anymore what’s your point? His victims should get over his past assaults?
Everyone else understood. Maybe someone else can help you.

What misconduct are you referring to and what could possibly be your point?

You are that clueless aren’t you.
Who says “come on man”?

In a March 25, 2020, interview with Katie Halper, Reade alleged that Biden pushed her against a wall, kissed her, put his hand under her skirt, penetrated her with his fingers, and asked, "Do you want to go somewhere else?"
"His hands went underneath my clothing and he was touching me in my private areas and without my consent."
Reade told The Intercept her impression was that Biden believed he had consent and was surprised when she rejected him.Reade told The New York Times for an April 12 article that when she pulled away from Biden, he looked puzzled and said, "Come on, man, I heard you liked me."

Clinton



In 1994, Paula Jones initiated a sexual harassment lawsuit against Bill Clinton, claiming he had made unwanted advances towards her in 1991; Clinton denied the allegations.

In 1998, Kathleen Willey alleged that Clinton had groped her in a hallway in 1993.

The Lewinsky scandal has had an enduring impact on Clinton's legacy, beyond his impeachment.


In a 1999 episode of Dateline NBC, former Bill Clinton campaign volunteer Juanita Broaddrick alleged that, in the late 1970s, Clinton raped her in her hotel room. According to Broaddrick, she agreed to meet with Clinton for coffee in the lobby of her hotel, but Clinton asked if they could go to her room to avoid a crowd of reporters; she agreed.

In October 2016, Leslie Millwee accused Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting her three times in 1980. Millwee was then an employee at a now-defunct Arkansas-based television station, and Clinton was then governor of Arkansas. Millwee told Breitbart News that on each of the three occasions, Clinton came up behind her and fondled her breasts, and on the second occasion, he rubbed his crotch against her and came to orgasm.

In April 1998, Inside Edition reported that Cristy Zercher, a former flight attendant, had accused Clinton of groping and fondling her on a 1992 campaign flight while his wife Hillary was sleeping nearby.

In 1999, Eileen Wellstone reiterated to reporters that she had accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1969, when they were students at Oxford.

A campaign staffer, Sandra Allen James, accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in his hotel room in 1991. She claimed that he exposed himself to her and forced her to conduct oral sex on him while they were sitting on the couch.

A former professor from the University of Arkansas claimed Clinton had groped a female student and tried to trap her in his office when he was a professor. This would later be backed up by a piece written by Daniel Harris and Teresa Hampton, which alleged that students at the university confirmed that Clinton had tried to force himself on them when he was a professor


Karen Hinton, who served in the Clinton administration under the HUD SecretaryAndrew Cuomo, told journalist Michael Isikoff that Clinton had harassed her at a fundraiser in 1984.

Bill Clinton developed a relationship with financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epsteinthat began in the early 1990s and continued into the early 2000s. During Clinton’s presidency, Epstein made multiple visits to the White House and maintained ties with Clinton’s associates; after Clinton left office, he traveled on Epstein’s private jet on several occasions for charitable trips.
 
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Ask me if I care when you prove he is one.

Everyone else understood. Maybe someone else can help you.



You are that clueless aren’t you.
Who says “come on man”?

In a March 25, 2020, interview with Katie Halper, Reade alleged that Biden pushed her against a wall, kissed her, put his hand under her skirt, penetrated her with his fingers, and asked, "Do you want to go somewhere else?"
"His hands went underneath my clothing and he was touching me in my private areas and without my consent."
Reade told The Intercept her impression was that Biden believed he had consent and was surprised when she rejected him.Reade told The New York Times for an April 12 article that when she pulled away from Biden, he looked puzzled and said, "Come on, man, I heard you liked me."

Clinton



In 1994, Paula Jones initiated a sexual harassment lawsuit against Bill Clinton, claiming he had made unwanted advances towards her in 1991; Clinton denied the allegations.

In 1998, Kathleen Willey alleged that Clinton had groped her in a hallway in 1993.

The Lewinsky scandal has had an enduring impact on Clinton's legacy, beyond his impeachment.


In a 1999 episode of Dateline NBC, former Bill Clinton campaign volunteer Juanita Broaddrick alleged that, in the late 1970s, Clinton raped her in her hotel room. According to Broaddrick, she agreed to meet with Clinton for coffee in the lobby of her hotel, but Clinton asked if they could go to her room to avoid a crowd of reporters; she agreed.

In October 2016, Leslie Millwee accused Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting her three times in 1980. Millwee was then an employee at a now-defunct Arkansas-based television station, and Clinton was then governor of Arkansas. Millwee told Breitbart News that on each of the three occasions, Clinton came up behind her and fondled her breasts, and on the second occasion, he rubbed his crotch against her and came to orgasm.

In April 1998, Inside Edition reported that Cristy Zercher, a former flight attendant, had accused Clinton of groping and fondling her on a 1992 campaign flight while his wife Hillary was sleeping nearby.

In 1999, Eileen Wellstone reiterated to reporters that she had accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1969, when they were students at Oxford.

A campaign staffer, Sandra Allen James, accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in his hotel room in 1991. She claimed that he exposed himself to her and forced her to conduct oral sex on him while they were sitting on the couch.

A former professor from the University of Arkansas claimed Clinton had groped a female student and tried to trap her in his office when he was a professor. This would later be backed up by a piece written by Daniel Harris and Teresa Hampton, which alleged that students at the university confirmed that Clinton had tried to force himself on them when he was a professor


Karen Hinton, who served in the Clinton administration under the HUD SecretaryAndrew Cuomo, told journalist Michael Isikoff that Clinton had harassed her at a fundraiser in 1984.

Bill Clinton developed a relationship with financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epsteinthat began in the early 1990s and continued into the early 2000s. During Clinton’s presidency, Epstein made multiple visits to the White House and maintained ties with Clinton’s associates; after Clinton left office, he traveled on Epstein’s private jet on several occasions for charitable trips.
So the allegation came out when they were in office, the alleged misconduct was prior to them being in office. Again, what is your point? Is it somehow more egregious if it comes out while they’re in office, and why?
 
So the allegation came out when they were in office, the alleged misconduct was prior to them being in office. Again, what is your point? Is it somehow more egregious if it comes out while they’re in office, and why?

Why do you find it more egregious your accusations of pedophilia you cannot prove over the incidents I listed?
 
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Crimes whether sexual or otherwise are more egregious if teachers, priests, ministers, the police, and yes when elected officials commit them.
You know the thing…those that are supposed to be held to a higher standard.

Recall the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky saga. It was a big deal because he was the president, making it far more egregious than when your mom gave blow jobs to her boss under his desk.

I’m sure after putting you in your corner once again, you’ll extract another ignorant question for your escape.
But before you do, answer mine.
 
Crimes whether sexual or otherwise are more egregious if teachers, priests, ministers, the police, and yes when elected officials commit them.
You know the thing…those that are supposed to be held to a higher standard.

Recall the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky saga. It was a big deal because he was the president, making it far more egregious than when your mom gave blow jobs to her boss under his desk.

I’m sure after putting you in your corner once again, you’ll extract another ignorant question for your escape.
But before you do, answer mine.
If Trog would actually answer a direct question, I would have much more respect for him.
OK, not much more but I would respect him.
Well, maybe a little respect.
Lets be honest, it won't happen, so my thoughts here are moot.
Expect a response that will disregard the posed question, diverting the subject in an insolent manner.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
On a positive note, only another 49 pages to go.
 
If Trog would actually answer a direct question, I would have much more respect for him.
OK, not much more but I would respect him.
Well, maybe a little respect.
Lets be honest, it won't happen, so my thoughts here are moot.
Expect a response that will disregard the posed question, diverting the subject in an insolent manner.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
On a positive note, only another 49 pages to go.
see that lily pad?

no, not that one. the other one. no ... the OTHER one. Over there.
 
Crimes whether sexual or otherwise are more egregious if teachers, priests, ministers, the police, and yes when elected officials commit them.
You know the thing…those that are supposed to be held to a higher standard.

Recall the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky saga. It was a big deal because he was the president, making it far more egregious than when your mom gave blow jobs to her boss under his desk.

I’m sure after putting you in your corner once again, you’ll extract another ignorant question for your escape.
But before you do, answer mine.
I have conflicting feelings with Clinton/Lewinski.
Personally, he's a scumbag because he cheated on his wife and broke his marriage vows.
But it's not for me to judge or be concerned since it's a personal matter.
Is this the best example to set for the country being the president? Absolutely not, but he certainly wasn't the first sitting president to step out on his wife.
See Kennedy, John F. as a major example from decades before Clinton.
Where I take GREAT issue is when he was actually impeached and put on the stand and flat out lied about the affair, and did his best word salading to try and "save his marriage" or whatever reason he chose to lie and try and change the narrative.
Should he even have been in this position? Absolutely not. The republicans hated him from jump and wanted him out at any cost.
It was absolutely ridiculous.
But when he squirmed and lied on the stand, THAT was the impeachable offense that should have got him thrown out of office.
Man up and own it and I'd have zero issue.
He was getting blown by interns because he was constantly working and his wife was out trying to build up her political cred and ignoring her wife/family responsibilities.
Again, none of my business until the sitting leader of our great nation lies under oath about it.
 
Lincoln had a wife by legality only and was known to sleep with a buddy. So, JFK, ******* Billy Blythe, and even Obama are just the top names to come to mind of Presidents deceiving the public with their marriages.
 
Crimes whether sexual or otherwise are more egregious if teachers, priests, ministers, the police, and yes when elected officials commit them.
You know the thing…those that are supposed to be held to a higher standard.

Recall the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky saga. It was a big deal because he was the president, making it far more egregious than when your mom gave blow jobs to her boss under his desk.

I’m sure after putting you in your corner once again, you’ll extract another ignorant question for your escape.
But before you do, answer mine.
Wow. You really don’t care if Trump is a pedophile because it was in the past. That’s ****** up.
 
Wow. You really don’t care if Trump is a pedophile because it was in the past. That’s ****** up.
Oh wow. No deflection question this time.

And you don’t care about the Clinton and Biden accusations, only Trumps.
That’s effed up man.
 
It’s not undeniably wrong. You’ve come to the conclusion that it wasn’t the teen dressing room simply because he didn’t specify.

Until/if it is proven true, it's not true. You simply BELIEVE that it is. Because you're gullible and you've swallowed the internet conspiracy theories that twisted the facts.


And MORE of them have said he never entered. I'll go with the majority until proven otherwise.

You literally wanted security guards outside of women’s restrooms to keep men out and now it’s no big deal when Dear Leader brags about it? You’re in a cult, Tim.

Once again, I ask you to go find any quote where I suggested guards should be put outside restrooms. Good luck. You can't. You're TDS-riddled brain is confusing my statements supporting armed guards in schools with a wholly separate debate.

Now back to point. Can you establish that Trump is a pedophile and have you found those receipts showing where any of us EQUATED trans with pedos? Tick tick tick
 
So the allegation came out when they were in office, the alleged misconduct was prior to them being in office. Again, what is your point? Is it somehow more egregious if it comes out while they’re in office, and why?

It's egregious that you don't give a damn about their crimes, glaringly worse than those you've hurled at Trump.

With each repetitive argument, you only further cement you have TDS, you'll give any (D) a pass for literally anything, and that you absolutely suck at this.
 
Wow. You really don’t care if Trump is a pedophile because it was in the past. That’s ****** up.

You can't prove he is. So there's literally nothing to "care" about. Again, however, the whole board has said if Trump and others are proven to have been involved in the molestation/rape/assault of underage girls, bring ALL of them down.

You can't be bothered to want to see your side's pols even investigated.

Please, keep arguing harder and further cementing this reality.
 
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