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What I see is there’s some really good depth at positions of need. QB only has one elite guy but there is 6 other guys who could develop into solid starters that should get drafted in the first two days. I have noticed Seth Henigan isn’t high on many boards. Not sure why. Maybe he’s this years Brock Purdy. Lots of depth at RB. Guys will fall to day 3 that should not be there. RJ Harvey is down on peoples boards. I have noticed clue why. He runs hard between the tackles, has speed to go outside, and is a receiving threat. DL has both NT and DE’s. I really like Sai’vion Jones. Think he played out of position. Same with Elijah Roberts.
 
madinsomniac said:
I really like the idea of a 3rd round RB this year... one of those guys are gonna end up to be as good as a first rounder... maybe more than one...

I still think it should be
1st DT
3rd RB
4th QB
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Rooney thought Najee was the next Henry...wrong O Buck O. He should have taken his no show at the 40 time more seriously. Najee was a mid-round (3rd-5th round) pick. He should have never been taken in the 1st.
 
vols fan - before last season, some of us were wondering why James Pearce was being listed as the #1 player in the draft. We'd barely heard of the dude. After watching last season, he has a lot of promise, but I cannot recall when he ever took a game over. I'd not be a bit disappointed if we drafted him, but I don't believe he's a first round prospect based on performance. Promise, yes.
 
Lloyd said:
Rooney thought Najee was the next Henry...wrong O Buck O. He should have taken his no show at the 40 time more seriously. Najee was a mid-round (3rd-5th round) pick. He should have never been taken in the 1st.
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Virtually no RB should go in the first unless
A.) they have the ankles of Barry Sanders
B.) they team doesnt have any other holes except RB


Take a look at super bowl winners over the past 20 years... the teams that won with a first round pick at RB that was their own were:
The Colts with Joeseph Addai
The Pats with Sony Michal and Laurence Maroney
The Chiefs with Clyde Edwards-Helaire...

All of those teams drafted those guys with a contending team in place and all of those guys were average to bust level RBs

-Sony Michals won a Super bowl on the Pats and Rams, but he only spent Three years with the Pats, was traded forca 5th and Sixth, played a season for the rams, bounced around practice squads and then retired with 3243 yards rushing in his career

-Laurance Maroney played 4 injury marred years for the Pats, was traded to the Broncos for a year, then was out of the league... his career high rushing in a season was only 835 yards... he retired with 2504 rushing yards total.

-Clyde Edwards-Helaire played 4 years for the Chiefs... he lost his starting job after year 2. He was on the roster in 3 super Bowls... they lost his first, he was inactive for his second that they won. He was a bench player in his 3rd that they won

His fifth year option was declined... he is currently on the saints... his current career rushing total is 1891 yards.

-Joeseph Addai was the best of the Bunch, but he still only played 6 seasons, all with Indy... he finished with 4453 rushing yards abd another 1448 receiving yards... he only (barely) topped 1000 yards his first two seasons though...

Now teams have traded for or signed in free agency star type first round picks and won with them.. like Barkley last year, and Lynch back with Seattle, but those teams werent spending their first round picks on those players...

There just isnt a correlation to winning super bowls through spending first rounders on RBs.. all of the ones who did it the past 20 seasons probably could have found the same production from a lesser pick or even udfa.. none were special... and truly special backs havent been able to carry teams to super bowls in this era.

There is some data validating trading for a established great back that has fallen out of favor with his drafting team before the end of his first contract though... abd that takes far less of an asset commitment...
 
madinsomniac said:
Virtually no RB should go in the first unless
A.) they have the ankles of Barry Sanders
B.) they team doesnt have any other holes except RB


Take a look at super bowl winners over the past 20 years... the teams that won with a first round pick at RB that was their own were:
The Colts with Joeseph Addai
The Pats with Sony Michal and Laurence Maroney
The Chiefs with Clyde Edwards-Helaire...

All of those teams drafted those guys with a contending team in place and all of those guys were average to bust level RBs

-Sony Michals won a Super bowl on the Pats and Rams, but he only spent Three years with the Pats, was traded forca 5th and Sixth, played a season for the rams, bounced around practice squads and then retired with 3243 yards rushing in his career

-Laurance Maroney played 4 injury marred years for the Pats, was traded to the Broncos for a year, then was out of the league... his career high rushing in a season was only 835 yards... he retired with 2504 rushing yards total.

-Clyde Edwards-Helaire played 4 years for the Chiefs... he lost his starting job after year 2. He was on the roster in 3 super Bowls... they lost his first, he was inactive for his second that they won. He was a bench player in his 3rd that they won

His fifth year option was declined... he is currently on the saints... his current career rushing total is 1891 yards.

-Joeseph Addai was the best of the Bunch, but he still only played 6 seasons, all with Indy... he finished with 4453 rushing yards abd another 1448 receiving yards... he only (barely) topped 1000 yards his first two seasons though...

Now teams have traded for or signed in free agency star type first round picks and won with them.. like Barkley last year, and Lynch back with Seattle, but those teams werent spending their first round picks on those players...

There just isnt a correlation to winning super bowls through spending first rounders on RBs.. all of the ones who did it the past 20 seasons probably could have found the same production from a lesser pick or even udfa.. none were special... and truly special backs havent been able to carry teams to super bowls in this era.

There is some data validating trading for a established great back that has fallen out of favor with his drafting team before the end of his first contract though... abd that takes far less of an asset commitment...
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Well, Barkley isn't chopped liver, his team did OK. He's a former 1st rounder. Henry isn't bad either.
 
Lloyd said:
Well, Barkley isn't chopped liver, his team did OK. He's a former 1st rounder. Henry isn't bad either.
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how many super bowls did they win with the teams that drafted them?
 
Superman said:
how many super bowls did they win with the teams that drafted them?
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So in your world there is great significance placed on which team drafted them in the 1st, not on if they were drafted in the 1st? OK.....OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Gotcha. Window dressing.
 
Lloyd said:
So in your world there is great significance placed on which team drafted them in the 1st, not on if they were drafted in the 1st? OK.....OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Gotcha. Window dressing.
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Yes, there is a HUGE difference. Because you didn't use YOUR first round pick to get them, and are only spending the money to sign them...go back up to post #10 and read the damn thing.
 
Lloyd said:
Well, Barkley isn't chopped liver, his team did OK. He's a former 1st rounder. Henry isn't bad either.
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Both of the teams that spent 1st rounders on those two guys won nothing with them and let them both walk away to contending teams... again you dont want to be the team spending a first on a rb...
 
Lloyd said:
Oh I don't know, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton won a few.
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those were not the subject of the question. nor of the situation being described.
 
Superman said:
vols fan - before last season, some of us were wondering why James Pearce was being listed as the #1 player in the draft. We'd barely heard of the dude. After watching last season, he has a lot of promise, but I cannot recall when he ever took a game over. I'd not be a bit disappointed if we drafted him, but I don't believe he's a first round prospect based on performance. Promise, yes.
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His speed and strength jump off the tape. He’s not polished but he has good hands so there’s something to build off of. If he can get a go to move and a counter move he could be Danielle Hunter.
 
Superman said:
vols fan - before last season, some of us were wondering why James Pearce was being listed as the #1 player in the draft. We'd barely heard of the dude. After watching last season, he has a lot of promise, but I cannot recall when he ever took a game over. I'd not be a bit disappointed if we drafted him, but I don't believe he's a first round prospect based on performance. Promise, yes.
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Yep, SN.com is at 1.
 
Superman said:
those were not the subject of the question. nor of the situation being described.
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Tell me,…… are you actually expecting him to follow along…….. in real time message board etiquette ?



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madinsomniac said:
Both of the teams that spent 1st rounders on those two guys won nothing with them and let them both walk away to contending teams... again you dont want to be the team spending a first on a rb...
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Really? Didn't some guy named Emmitt Smith do OK at winning Super Bowls? Which team drafted him?
 
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