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Great Article on how Ben has been basically neutered by Canada and Tomlin

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I believe we are allowed to post PG articles. If not, please delete it.

This is a great one and I certainly believe it to be true. Ben certainly isn't the Ben of a few years ago before his elbow injury but we all know Ben can still bring us back in games if allowed to. He did it many times last year and he did it against the Bills this year.

I'll go even further. In I believe all 3 of our recent losses, we were down by 2 or 3 scores late in the game and we had less than 10 yards to go on 4th down and Tomlin just punts the ball. We weren't deep in our own zone either. He's just giving up on games. Canada can run the offense (even though so far, he sucks at it) but your QB needs to be able to audible and we absolutely need to be able to go no-huddle. That is this teams strength and has been since Ben got here almost 2 decades ago. Ben even talked about it today in his press conference but he still took the blame and wouldn't throw anyone under the bus.

www.post-gazette.com

Gerry Dulac: Is Ben Roethlisberger being hamstrung by Matt Canada’s game plan?

Ben Roethlisberger could he hampered by a hip injury that he said is affecting his throwing mechanics when the Steelers play the Denver Broncos on Sunday....
www.post-gazette.com www.post-gazette.com
 
I do not know how much they're holding Ben back, given some of the missed throws we've seen, but Tomlin punting the ball in some of these situations is just ridiculous.

He did the same in the playoff game against the Browns.
 
I don't think Ben is playing his best ball right now, for whatever reason. I don't want to just take the easy route and blame coaching and play calling. Ben is clearly struggling regardless of the calls. But if it's true that he's not allowed to audible, particularly on critical plays.

That's just ******* stupid.
 
The part about Max Starks explaining the difference between the 2-minute offense and the no-huddle coupled with the fact they don't have any no-huddle (or hurry up) offense is very telling how bad Canada is and Tomlin is supporting it. Those who said Ben was not adhering to Canada's new offense can suck it. Ben has missed a few throws. There have been a ton of drops and a ton of guys going the wrong direction and a bunch of penalties at the wrong time. We get that. But, to not have something in place to come back in games (especially when it is the strength of the offense) and even to mix things up (meaning having no no-huddle offense whatsoever) is ludicrous. That shows how far underwater Canada is and how much of a dumbass Tomlin is for allowing it (and I have mostly been a Tomlin supporter - better than 50-50 anyhow).
 
Ben has missed on quite a few throws this year, but if he is truly being neutered in this fashion, Tomlin and Canada both need their heads examined.
 
Steeler Pride said:
Ben has missed on quite a few throws this year, but if he is truly being neutered in this fashion, Tomlin and Canada both need their heads examined.
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by which he means opened with a bone saw to see if there are any brains inside
 
Qwicksand, but only for the Coaches.



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Plays like that redzone 4th down in the article are what this team should thrive on. I said this back when they drafted Muuth. You have Claypool, Muuth, and Ebron that are super tall and strong. You run Harris like you did to clear some things out and you send probably JuJu in motion and across the middle to the goal line. The tall guys are going to the endzone. Ben takes a couple of steps back and lofts it up for one of the big guys to go up and get it. If you don't trust Ebron, Gentry is ******* 6'-8". Put him in there. That play has a hell of a lot better chance of working than what they did which basically had no chance. Why haven't we seen this play yet? It's just as quick as the throw they did.

Now, this is where Ben needs to be at practice every day for at least a couple weeks. I'd take at least one full day just practicing that and then do it a handful of times every week.
 
wig said:
I don't think Ben is playing his best ball right now, for whatever reason. I don't want to just take the easy route and blame coaching and play calling. Ben is clearly struggling regardless of the calls. But if it's true that he's not allowed to audible, particularly on critical plays.

That's just ******* stupid.
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It might be ******* stupid but for Tomlin ******* stupid isn't surprising.
 
CoolieMan said:
Ben obviously isn't at his best but if he can not audible out of **** plays when he reads the defense at the LOS then Canada and Mike need to be ***** slapped.
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He is an 18 year vet. I can't believe he wouldn't audible out of a **** play even if he was commanded not to
 
TDX27 said:
Plays like that redzone 4th down in the article are what this team should thrive on. I said this back when they drafted Muuth. You have Claypool, Muuth, and Ebron that are super tall and strong. You run Harris like you did to clear some things out and you send probably JuJu in motion and across the middle to the goal line. The tall guys are going to the endzone. Ben takes a couple of steps back and lofts it up for one of the big guys to go up and get it. If you don't trust Ebron, Gentry is ******* 6'-8". Put him in there. That play has a hell of a lot better chance of working than what they did which basically had no chance. Why haven't we seen this play yet? It's just as quick as the throw they did.

Now, this is where Ben needs to be at practice every day for at least a couple weeks. I'd take at least one full day just practicing that and then do it a handful of times every week.
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Good point about practicing every day to get this worked out. Does Brady practice on Wednesday? How many QBs -especially in struggling offenses- take off every week? If Brady does, then ok. If he doesn't, then that tells us something too.
 
Didn't Canada state he was building his offense around his players strengths? Isn't that one of Ben's biggest strengths as 19 year vet? Always like Batch. Glad he said something that actually supportive of Ben.
 
Maybe he can't audible because the young players on the O-line struggle with it or maybe the young WR's struggle with it. It might be a matter of young players not understanding protections or route changes.
 
Sarge said:
Maybe he can't audible because the young players on the O-line struggle with it or maybe the young WR's struggle with it. It might be a matter of young players not understanding protections or route changes.
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That was implied by Ben and Tomlin. The verbiage of the calls is a bit different and it sounded like not all the players are clear on what to do on an audible. That's just **** coaching, however. There should be some streamlined, "Do This When" systems in place that can be used when audibling.
 
Sarge said:
Maybe he can't audible because the young players on the O-line struggle with it or maybe the young WR's struggle with it. It might be a matter of young players not understanding protections or route changes.
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Is that Ben's fault ? Where are the coaches and why are they not staying after practice (WRs).



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wig said:
That was implied by Ben and Tomlin. The verbiage of the calls is a bit different and it sounded like not all the players are clear on what to do on an audible. That's just **** coaching, however. There should be some streamlined, "Do This When" systems in place that can be used when audibling.
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Audibles are the simplest plays as for blocking and route running. You don't go all complicated for an audible. Something is fishey and I smell coaching fail.




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Again, in fairness, neither Tomlin nor Ben said it wasn't BEN that had trouble with the audible verbiage... But then again, it's only the linemen that wouldn't know the OLD verbiage for previous years audibles and no-huddle.

So one would assume the bony finger of blame is pointing at the rook O-linemen.
 
If you don't know the playbook by this point, you shouldn't be playing until you do. Give them daily quizzes if you have to. All they are memorizing is the number of the play. It's not rocket science.
 
Both player and coach hold that responsibility. Easy to point fingers at one side or the other but reality is BOTH have responsibility in knowing and checking they know. How ******* hard can it be ?

I think it's more an order of OC & HC trying to move to this new offense. For criminey sakes they are 1/4 of the way in and now they are saying OL doesn't know verbage ? WTF, where have the coaching been when the audible plays were practiced?

Hard to believe that an audible is so complicated that they can't run them to the extent of your QB can't call them. What is an audible, it's an alternate play that already exists.

IF our audibles are that ******* complicated then we deserve to be where we are, clueless and idiotic coaching. I think it's a power struggle, only thing possible.


common sense




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6Lombardis said:
Good point about practicing every day to get this worked out. Does Brady practice on Wednesday? How many QBs -especially in struggling offenses- take off every week? If Brady does, then ok. If he doesn't, then that tells us something too.
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**** Brady!!!
 
Once more Ben takes the heat.. Canada has shown nothing as far as new offense and seems same calls over and over. Just every so often having full house shift does zero moving the ball. Ben will never get better then more times than not he is rushed to get rid of ball, no play action and really a defense that has not stood up either. Way to many times seems receivers are not in correct position, yes this past week they finally did get open a few times and yes Ben did miss some passes. But that percentage is nothing going into game five and we still have the same problems. If players don't know the play book how do you continue to look at Ben, practice or not one day. Some of these receivers should know the play book they are not new to the game.
 
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