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For years now, we keep hearing the D blaming "communication" or guys not in their "gap". For X's and O's guys on here, WTF does that really mean? We here it all the time. Can they truly be that bad with communication year in and year out? And, how about the gaps? They way they play, especially with 2 DL so often, you can drive a bus through the D and get to the 2nd level or beyond before even being touched. So many times we move the 2 DL to one side or toward the outside of the OL. Then they push the OLB's further out than that. There are gaping holes to run through and good running teams exploit it.

I have been saying for years that we need a true NT and 3 big uglies on the field to counter the 5 big uglies on the O. What am I missing? It seems pretty simple overall yet the Steelers can't stop the run at all.

And, now that they are running more man with JPJ, etc., good passing teams are picking us apart there. I know we cut way back on blitzing but if we can't cover in man, then don't do it. The pundits had been talking earlier about how we frustrate and stop Lamar using types of zone yet the last 2 losses, we were playing man and they passed at will. Burrows and the other good QB's do as well.

How do we fix all of this? I obviously have been saying we need to solidify the DL first and work out from there. The same on the O side. I see no way this gets fixed any time soon as Tomlin will keep running the same D. We need an entire new D philosophy. What Tomlin has been running hasn't worked in almost a decade especially in the playoffs against the best teams.

I know I am blabbering but help a man out here. Thoughts from our football Guru's?
 
I'll say this, if you walk into a room full of 2nd graders and say on this side you have 5 guys that weigh around 300lbs, they are going against 2 guys that weigh around 300lbs who is going to win, and they'll know the answer.
 
For years now, we keep hearing the D blaming "communication" or guys not in their "gap". For X's and O's guys on here, WTF does that really mean? We here it all the time. Can they truly be that bad with communication year in and year out? And, how about the gaps? They way they play, especially with 2 DL so often, you can drive a bus through the D and get to the 2nd level or beyond before even being touched. So many times we move the 2 DL to one side or toward the outside of the OL. Then they push the OLB's further out than that. There are gaping holes to run through and good running teams exploit it.

I have been saying for years that we need a true NT and 3 big uglies on the field to counter the 5 big uglies on the O. What am I missing? It seems pretty simple overall yet the Steelers can't stop the run at all.

And, now that they are running more man with JPJ, etc., good passing teams are picking us apart there. I know we cut way back on blitzing but if we can't cover in man, then don't do it. The pundits had been talking earlier about how we frustrate and stop Lamar using types of zone yet the last 2 losses, we were playing man and they passed at will. Burrows and the other good QB's do as well.

How do we fix all of this? I obviously have been saying we need to solidify the DL first and work out from there. The same on the O side. I see no way this gets fixed any time soon as Tomlin will keep running the same D. We need an entire new D philosophy. What Tomlin has been running hasn't worked in almost a decade especially in the playoffs against the best teams.

I know I am blabbering but help a man out here. Thoughts from our football Guru's?

The gap issue is a scheme thing more than anything, but the communication thing you can see on the field. A good example of it is during the Chiefs game.

Kelce goes in motion to the right side of the formation. Queen is following him, meaning man coverage. Sutton is on Deandre, and Jackson is on JuJu. The motion creates a bunch formation of sorts. On the snap, JuJu cuts under Deandre Queen goes with him. Kelce cuts under both. Jackson goes with Deandre, and Sutton stands there almost in a zone look watching Mahomes as Kelce walks right by him and is WIDE OPEN in the EZ. Fitz had slid over top to help on Deandre, but Sutton was covering no one. That's communication, both in on field during the play, and pre snap when calling the coverage.
 
It's Tomlins fault. He doesn't know where he's supposed to be on D. He sucks at man coverage. He's not communicating with his teammates. And he pats Henry on the shoulder as Henry runs by him for a 50 yard TD.

Fire Tomlin.
 
The 2 DL is equivalent to boxing with your hands at your sides. You're going to get knocked the **** out every time.

Dumbest ******* defense ever. And our dumbass HC will ride that **** for eternity.
 
It's Tomlins fault. He doesn't know where he's supposed to be on D. He sucks at man coverage. He's not communicating with his teammates. And he pats Henry on the shoulder as Henry runs by him for a 50 yard TD.

Fire Tomlin.
You do understand that he creates the gameplan, and if he can't get the players to buy into said gameplan, its destined to fail...therefore the blame is on the HEAD COACH. THE MAN IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING.
 
You do understand that he creates the gameplan, and if he can't get the players to buy into said gameplan, its destined to fail...therefore the blame is on the HEAD COACH. THE MAN IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING.
What I DO understand is you'll come up with any number of flawed premises to support your flawed argument ... And if one doesn't work you'll just switch it up

You have your conclusion and you'll change your supporting "facts" to fit that conclusion


You're hustlin backwards
 
What I DO understand is you'll come up with any number of flawed premises to support your flawed argument ... And if one doesn't work you'll just switch it up

You have your conclusion and you'll change your supporting "facts" to fit that conclusion


You're hustlin backwards
Flawed arguement??? LOL. How about Tomlin is 2nd all time in 1 and done in the playoffs, one behind MartyBall, and Marty coached 22 seasons. How about no Coach has ever given up 40+points in 3 straight playoff games, until Tomlin. No team has given up as many points in consecutive playoff losses as Tomlin has in this losing streak. He's second to only Marvin Lewis for most years without winning a playoff game. Those aren't made up or flawed.
 
What I DO understand is you'll come up with any number of flawed premises to support your flawed argument ... And if one doesn't work you'll just switch it up

You have your conclusion and you'll change your supporting "facts" to fit that conclusion


You're hustlin backwards

I'm not changing anything. When did we start this 2 DL nonsense? When DLB was forced out, has it changed as the DC has changed? No.
Who called Wilson immediately after getting released? Tomlin, the man he wanted, the man he forced into action regardless of how anyone was playing, the man he stuck with even when he shouldn't have.
What has changed offensively even thru 3 different OC's? Nothing, still a run, run, pass offensive scheme.
What has been the common denominator throughout the last 8 years of playoff failure, late season collapses? Tomlin!

Now it's your turn to hit me with some facts...
 
The gap issue is a scheme thing more than anything, but the communication thing you can see on the field. A good example of it is during the Chiefs game.

Kelce goes in motion to the right side of the formation. Queen is following him, meaning man coverage. Sutton is on Deandre, and Jackson is on JuJu. The motion creates a bunch formation of sorts. On the snap, JuJu cuts under Deandre Queen goes with him. Kelce cuts under both. Jackson goes with Deandre, and Sutton stands there almost in a zone look watching Mahomes as Kelce walks right by him and is WIDE OPEN in the EZ. Fitz had slid over top to help on Deandre, but Sutton was covering no one. That's communication, both in on field during the play, and pre snap when calling the coverage.
But it's not rocket science. It shouldn't be that hard and we shouldn't hear the same excuse year after year after year.
 
For years now, we keep hearing the D blaming "communication" or guys not in their "gap". For X's and O's guys on here, WTF does that really mean? We here it all the time. Can they truly be that bad with communication year in and year out? And, how about the gaps? They way they play, especially with 2 DL so often, you can drive a bus through the D and get to the 2nd level or beyond before even being touched. So many times we move the 2 DL to one side or toward the outside of the OL. Then they push the OLB's further out than that. There are gaping holes to run through and good running teams exploit it.

I have been saying for years that we need a true NT and 3 big uglies on the field to counter the 5 big uglies on the O. What am I missing? It seems pretty simple overall yet the Steelers can't stop the run at all.

And, now that they are running more man with JPJ, etc., good passing teams are picking us apart there. I know we cut way back on blitzing but if we can't cover in man, then don't do it. The pundits had been talking earlier about how we frustrate and stop Lamar using types of zone yet the last 2 losses, we were playing man and they passed at will. Burrows and the other good QB's do as well.

How do we fix all of this? I obviously have been saying we need to solidify the DL first and work out from there. The same on the O side. I see no way this gets fixed any time soon as Tomlin will keep running the same D. We need an entire new D philosophy. What Tomlin has been running hasn't worked in almost a decade especially in the playoffs against the best teams.

I know I am blabbering but help a man out here. Thoughts from our football Guru's?

The easiest part of your question to address is "guys not in their gaps" because that is either a) undicpilined players or b) improperly designed scheme.
Any defensive front scheme assigns specific gaps (between offensive linemen) to a specific player on defense. On a run play, that player should know and move to his assigned gap. Not much more complicated than putting your body into that space to plug the hole. If players are not in their "assigned gaps" then they either do not know where their assigned gap is, or they do not respect their assignment and prefer to freelance on their own. A bigger and more troubling asnwer is that the defense is so poorly schemed that it leaves gaps unassigned. In that case, any competent staff at the NFL level will discover that on film and exploit it.

"Communication" has been a problem with the Steelers defense, expecially the secondary, for quite some time. That probably requires more inside information to understand but it is the easiest to fix. Replace the defensive coaching staff in charge of playcalling, terminology and distribution. If these players don't know the plays, can't understand the plays, don't know their assignments within plays, etc after training camp and a full regular season then you either have the dumbest football players in the history of football or you have a coaching staff that has failed at its job. The OP is correct, we always hear about "communication" issues and the secondary especially leaving guys uncovered. That has to be on the defensive coaching staff at this point. If it's player-related then you teach him up or replace him. Since it keeps happening over and over, with different players, then it has to be coaching.

The defense is run by Mike Tomlin and Teryl Austin. Nobody is trying to hire those two rocket scientists to run anything for anyone else.

Like you guys, I am frustrated, angry, disappointed, everything. But I think this falls on Art II's shoulders completely. The guy was born on 3rd base and seems intent on stealing 2nd.

The Steelers have become a mediocre franchise under his watch. Good enough is good enough. Same old, same old. If I'm giving letter grades, it goes like this:

Steelers Franchise = B-
Head Coach = C/C+

Offensive Coaching Staff = D
Offensive Player Personnel = B- (we have too many high draft pick on the O-Line to be playing as poorly as they are playing)

Defensive Coaching Staff = C-
Defensive Player Personnel = A- (there is a tremendous amount of talent on that defense and at times they play like it, need another corner and some youth on the D-Line but otherwise who would we replace?)

GM = B+/A- (I think Omar has upgraded this roster significantly in a short period of time with what picks and free agents he had available thus far.

Owner = D (Art permits this to continue without making the changes that need to be imposed.)

If Art is going to keep Tomlin which we all know he is then Art or Omar need to override Tomlin and make some staff changes.

First, hire a real DC and take that away from Tomlin. If he wants his job then be a CEO type and oversee the team and the player behavior - there's enough there to keep him busy.

Second, hire a real O-Line Coach because constantly using high draft picks who underperform once they reach Pittsburgh is not working. It cannot be that Pittsburgh has drafted every high round bust of talent. Everybody had these guys rated highly. Daniels and Seamalu have both regressed in Pittsburgh from their prior levels.

None of this will happen. Instead, Art II will cling dearly to that Rule named for his family and will not dare tread upon Mike Tomlin's fallacy standing as a top coach. Tomlin isn't and he isn't going to become one after 18 years.

Until Art II grows a set of his own stones, this is what the Steelers will be, a B- franchise working toward C+ status with Mediocre Mike at the helm.
 
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Facts are Tomlin has run the D going back a year or two while LeBeau was still here.

Even on O. Has the O changed much from Canaduh to Smith? Not much and that's the bigger disappointment. Tomlin holds the team back no matter how you look at it. If you do a root cause analysis, you will come up with him right near the top. Rooney isn't far behind.
 
You do understand that he creates the gameplan, and if he can't get the players to buy into said gameplan, its destined to fail...therefore the blame is on the HEAD COACH. THE MAN IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING.
The more you feed the trolls, the fatter their heads get...🤣
 
Head Coach = C/C+

Until Art II grows a set of his own stones, this is what the Steelers will be, a B- franchise working toward C+ status with Mediocre Mike at the helm.
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I always hear how the Steelers run a simple defense now that once it's figured out is easy to beat, yet we also hear about communication issues. It gets old hearing about these issues. Zero accountability.
 
I'll say this, if you walk into a room full of 2nd graders and say on this side you have 5 guys that weigh around 300lbs, they are going against 2 guys that weigh around 300lbs who is going to win, and they'll know the answer.
This and people not doing or knowing their jobs. On one RPO Lamar gave the ball to Henry then faked to his left like he had the ball. Roberts, Highsmith, and Minkah were all stacked on that C gap letting Henry run wild down the middle of the field through the opposite A gap.. what Roberts as the Mike should have covered. Bad coaching.
 
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