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So we are 1-2, Losing two extremely winnable games… the yinzer panic buttons have all been mashed… lets talk about some of the moves that we absolutely should not make that are being advocated in the yinzerscape

1. Trading our first round pick… unless Kansas City is offering us Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, the first rounder should be 100% off the table. If things go south on the season , the reconfigured front office can show us what it really got by starting off its first draft with a potential top ten pick… we should not for virtually any reason give that up… thats how bad seasons turn into bad eras…

2. Trade for a DT. Fixing the run game is a schematic problem, not a talent problem… this set of DLinemen is as deep as we have had in ages. Leal might end up being a serious playmaker, Loudermilk is buried despite showing serious promise. Adding a premium name wont fix the problem… it would just flush assets down the drain

3. Trade for a Olineman. I advocated for this a couple weeks back, but at this point the oline has shown a little progress and adding new players is just going to push back the gelling process… plus this technique seems to be very difficult to get so unless the player was already up to speed with it, it probably wouldn’t have the effect we’d want

4. Trade for a Cornerback…the knock on Witherspoon was always consistency… and he has had a rough start to the season, but he is a legit playmaker and in his 49rs days had some big time shut down days… giving up on that guy after a few bad plays is just reactionary nonsense. Really good Corners are really pricey… we shouldn’t be moving premium pieces for band aids this season

5. Trading for an Ilb… yeah Bush has been a let down, but his play hasn’t been as awful as some would have you believe… it’s not even just the assets that you’d have to give up to get a good one… its the cap space at this point… its just a better gamble to hope Bush continues to improve and that maybe Robinson is ready sooner rather than later… ideally Bush shows enough to get added to the comp pick equation in the off-season

There are plenty of things we can do to turn the season around without losing future assets.
 
madinsomniac said:
So we are 1-2, Losing two extremely winnable games… the yinzer panic buttons have all been mashed… lets talk about some of the moves that we absolutely should not make that are being advocated in the yinzerscape

1. Trading our first round pick… unless Kansas City is offering us Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, the first rounder should be 100% off the table. If things go south on the season , the reconfigured front office can show us what it really got by starting off its first draft with a potential top ten pick… we should not for virtually any reason give that up… thats how bad seasons turn into bad eras…

2. Trade for a DT. Fixing the run game is a schematic problem, not a talent problem… this set of DLinemen is as deep as we have had in ages. Leal might end up being a serious playmaker, Loudermilk is buried despite showing serious promise. Adding a premium name wont fix the problem… it would just flush assets down the drain

3. Trade for a Olineman. I advocated for this a couple weeks back, but at this point the oline has shown a little progress and adding new players is just going to push back the gelling process… plus this technique seems to be very difficult to get so unless the player was already up to speed with it, it probably wouldn’t have the effect we’d want

4. Trade for a Cornerback…the knock on Witherspoon was always consistency… and he has had a rough start to the season, but he is a legit playmaker and in his 49rs days had some big time shut down days… giving up on that guy after a few bad plays is just reactionary nonsense. Really good Corners are really pricey… we shouldn’t be moving premium pieces for band aids this season

5. Trading for an Ilb… yeah Bush has been a let down, but his play hasn’t been as awful as some would have you believe… it’s not even just the assets that you’d have to give up to get a good one… its the cap space at this point… its just a better gamble to hope Bush continues to improve and that maybe Robinson is ready sooner rather than later… ideally Bush shows enough to get added to the comp pick equation in the off-season

There are plenty of things we can do to turn the season around without losing future assets.
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Only thing I would be on board with is trading for an OLBer. But an upgrade would be pricey and be a hard find. As that club would have to be on board with trading said player. I think the club has the talent to have a better record. So that goes with overall coaching and putting the best players in the right positions to succeed. Saying that not sold on the OLBer pass rushing capabilities outside of Watt and Highsmith.


Here is some things that could change: (not in any specific order)

1. Against running teams bench running deficient players. Players like Worm would be benched except 3rd and long. Rotating to keep players fresh only works if they aren't a liability in an area the opposing team is exceptionally strong in.

2. Double the opposing teams best WR. I seen times they didn't do that and it cost them.

3. Bench Trubisky. I just think you are looking at a sub 20 point QB more often than not.

4. Fire Canada. Seriously I think if you don't do this soon you are letting the cancer fester and opening the door for disgruntled players. Who will either try to do too much and/or will not be unified to promote winning.
 
slashsteel said:
Only thing I would be on board with is trading for an OLBer. But an upgrade would be pricey and be a hard find. As that club would have to be on board with trading said player. I think the club has the talent to have a better record. So that goes with overall coaching and putting the best players in the right positions to succeed. Saying that not sold on the OLBer pass rushing capabilities outside of Watt and Highsmith.


Here is some things that could change: (not in any specific order)

1. Against running teams bench running deficient players. Players like Worm would be benched except 3rd and long. Rotating to keep players fresh only works if they aren't a liability in an area the opposing team is exceptionally strong in.

2. Double the opposing teams best WR. I seen times they didn't do that and it cost them.

3. Bench Trubisky. I just think you are looking at a sub 20 point QB more often than not.

4. Fire Canada. Seriously I think if you don't do this soon you are letting the cancer fester and opening the door for disgruntled players. Who will either try to do too much and/or will not be unified to promote winning.
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1-4 are all viable options to be explored

Using Adams and a 3 man front in obvious run situations and as you said keeping Wormley out of them would be a start.

I’m also in favor of putting Robinson in on obvious run downs and moving Bush to the dime backer role over Spillane. Slide Robinson in on first downs and 3rd and 2 or less.

Finding a way to have Edmunds in the box more and not in man coverage of any WRs would also be advisable.

Many minor tweaks that could be explored
 
slashsteel said:
Only thing I would be on board with is trading for an OLBer. But an upgrade would be pricey and be a hard find. As that club would have to be on board with trading said player. I think the club has the talent to have a better record. So that goes with overall coaching and putting the best players in the right positions to succeed. Saying that not sold on the OLBer pass rushing capabilities outside of Watt and Highsmith.


Here is some things that could change: (not in any specific order)

1. Against running teams bench running deficient players. Players like Worm would be benched except 3rd and long. Rotating to keep players fresh only works if they aren't a liability in an area the opposing team is exceptionally strong in.

2. Double the opposing teams best WR. I seen times they didn't do that and it cost them.

3. Bench Trubisky. I just think you are looking at a sub 20 point QB more often than not.

4. Fire Canada. Seriously I think if you don't do this soon you are letting the cancer fester and opening the door for disgruntled players. Who will either try to do too much and/or will not be unified to promote winning.
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Great post slash, thanks for all the good you bring.

3) if we keep O'Canada on then this needs to happen on a trial basis pending next man up success, but keeping Matt is just prolonging the inevitable.

4) This seems to be a mandatory need. If he is kept, this team is a wasted season and talent to one year older. Cam, like Roethlisberger, will be one less year to retirement. O'Canada is doubtful he can turn this ***** offense around and I said by week 4-5 we would know. We seem to know now, in full detail what he brings to the table without a hinderence of an old HOF QB at the helm.

5) Coaching philosophy needs re-evaluated / changed. It won't happen but is a factor needing addressed.


Salute the nation
 
Fiji Mariner said:
1-4 are all viable options to be explored

Using Adams and a 3 man front in obvious run situations and as you said keeping Wormley out of them would be a start.

I’m also in favor of putting Robinson in on obvious run downs and moving Bush to the dime backer role over Spillane. Slide Robinson in on first downs and 3rd and 2 or less.

Finding a way to have Edmunds in the box more and not in man coverage of any WRs would also be advisable.

Many minor tweaks that could be explored
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I think Edmunds will be moved closer when Kaz comes back of IR/suspension. Yeah Edmunds loves him some trail.
 
slashsteel said:
Only thing I would be on board with is trading for an OLBer. But an upgrade would be pricey and be a hard find. As that club would have to be on board with trading said player. I think the club has the talent to have a better record. So that goes with overall coaching and putting the best players in the right positions to succeed. Saying that not sold on the OLBer pass rushing capabilities outside of Watt and Highsmith.


Here is some things that could change: (not in any specific order)

1. Against running teams bench running deficient players. Players like Worm would be benched except 3rd and long. Rotating to keep players fresh only works if they aren't a liability in an area the opposing team is exceptionally strong in.

2. Double the opposing teams best WR. I seen times they didn't do that and it cost them.

3. Bench Trubisky. I just think you are looking at a sub 20 point QB more often than not.

4. Fire Canada. Seriously I think if you don't do this soon you are letting the cancer fester and opening the door for disgruntled players. Who will either try to do too much and/or will not be unified to promote winning.
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#4 would fix a multitude of problems on both sides of the ball, as long as he wasn't replaced with someone even less competent.
 
IMO, we need to get creative

put Jack and Bush at CB and allow them to cover the best WRs we face. Bring Sutton, Wallace and Witherspoon inside. Put Norwood at NT.

offensively, start Green. at QB, under center. Then he can see first-hand what happens when there's no blocking. Though, to be fair, he's not doing too badly this season from the sideline (which is closer to the field than he needs to be)

put some cinder blocks on Jumppool's legs so he'll stop trying to make highlight reel catches when the ball is numbers-high

let Najee call the play, but dont force him to tell anyone else what it is

Tomlin needs to get a haircut. make it fun for the guys.
 
Superman said:
IMO, we need to get creative

put Jack and Bush at CB and allow them to cover the best WRs we face. Bring Sutton, Wallace and Witherspoon inside. Put Norwood at NT.

offensively, start Green. at QB, under center. Then he can see first-hand what happens when there's no blocking. Though, to be fair, he's not doing too badly this season from the sideline (which is closer to the field than he needs to be)

put some cinder blocks on Jumppool's legs so he'll stop trying to make highlight reel catches when the ball is numbers-high

let Najee call the play, but dont force him to tell anyone else what it is

Tomlin needs to get a haircut. make it fun for the guys.
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At the very least canada should be relieved of play calling duties. See if its a coordinator problem or qb problem.
Not sure about the running game seems we are getting manhandled. Other than heyward I'm not sure we have the horses. Bush is still a problem, but if the dline gets dominated or outmanned makes it tough on the LBs.
We could use another CB. Witherspoon had a rough game, but his coverage wasn't really that bad it was more or less better plays by the offense
 
The best thing to do is just keep losing and get a top level tackle next year. Of course I'm not hoping we lose but this team is not going anywhere so why throw away draft picks for a year of mediocrity.
 
slashsteel said:
Only thing I would be on board with is trading for an OLBer. But an upgrade would be pricey and be a hard find. As that club would have to be on board with trading said player. I think the club has the talent to have a better record. So that goes with overall coaching and putting the best players in the right positions to succeed. Saying that not sold on the OLBer pass rushing capabilities outside of Watt and Highsmith.


Here is some things that could change: (not in any specific order)

1. Against running teams bench running deficient players. Players like Worm would be benched except 3rd and long. Rotating to keep players fresh only works if they aren't a liability in an area the opposing team is exceptionally strong in.

2. Double the opposing teams best WR. I seen times they didn't do that and it cost them.

3. Bench Trubisky. I just think you are looking at a sub 20 point QB more often than not.

4. Fire Canada. Seriously I think if you don't do this soon you are letting the cancer fester and opening the door for disgruntled players. Who will either try to do too much and/or will not be unified to promote winning.
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I’m with you on this Slash especially #3 and #4.
Curious though, when would you make the change from Trubisket to Kenny? I’m thinking after the by week and against the Saints at home. Tomlin won’t make the change against the Jets and the next four after that are all tough games to start Kenny.
 
mdk2 said:
The best thing to do is just keep losing and get a top level WR next year. Of course I'm not hoping we lose but this team is not going anywhere so why throw away draft picks for a year of mediocrity.
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FIFY
 
I hate to be the guy to take a deuce on all the "fire Canada" talk (see what I did there?). But, Canada's contract isn't up until the end of the season; and we all know that ARll is not going to pay him to be at home. They'll let him stay until after the season and then we'll get the obligatory "contract not renewed" press release.
 
Superman said:
FIFY
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😂You jest, but when we spend a top ten pick on Addison because he has chemistry with Pickett (and thats what the Bengals did getting chase for joey exotic) then have Gunner lining up as Tackle, you will wish you hadn’t put this thought out into the universe
 
You can fire Canada, which I think would be great but does that fix the starting running back running to darkness on occasion? Of the number 1 receiver dropping a long ball right in the hands? Or the rookie phenom trying to one hand a catch in the endzone he coulda had with 2 hands if he is athletic as they say?

Canada sucks, but what if the players they have, while good, aren't special?
 
steelhurt said:
I’m with you on this Slash especially #3 and #4.
Curious though, when would you make the change from Trubisket to Kenny? I’m thinking after the by week and against the Saints at home. Tomlin won’t make the change against the Jets and the next four after that are all tough games to start Kenny.
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I would have made it after the game so he had some extra time to prepare for the Jets. Seeing that won't happen the bye week is fine by me. I like the idea of him having some extra preparation going into his first start.
 
madinsomniac said:
So we are 1-2, Losing two extremely winnable games… the yinzer panic buttons have all been mashed… lets talk about some of the moves that we absolutely should not make that are being advocated in the yinzerscape

1. Trading our first round pick… unless Kansas City is offering us Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, the first rounder should be 100% off the table. If things go south on the season , the reconfigured front office can show us what it really got by starting off its first draft with a potential top ten pick… we should not for virtually any reason give that up… thats how bad seasons turn into bad eras…

2. Trade for a DT. Fixing the run game is a schematic problem, not a talent problem… this set of DLinemen is as deep as we have had in ages. Leal might end up being a serious playmaker, Loudermilk is buried despite showing serious promise. Adding a premium name wont fix the problem… it would just flush assets down the drain

3. Trade for a Olineman. I advocated for this a couple weeks back, but at this point the oline has shown a little progress and adding new players is just going to push back the gelling process… plus this technique seems to be very difficult to get so unless the player was already up to speed with it, it probably wouldn’t have the effect we’d want

4. Trade for a Cornerback…the knock on Witherspoon was always consistency… and he has had a rough start to the season, but he is a legit playmaker and in his 49rs days had some big time shut down days… giving up on that guy after a few bad plays is just reactionary nonsense. Really good Corners are really pricey… we shouldn’t be moving premium pieces for band aids this season

5. Trading for an Ilb… yeah Bush has been a let down, but his play hasn’t been as awful as some would have you believe… it’s not even just the assets that you’d have to give up to get a good one… its the cap space at this point… its just a better gamble to hope Bush continues to improve and that maybe Robinson is ready sooner rather than later… ideally Bush shows enough to get added to the comp pick equation in the off-season

There are plenty of things we can do to turn the season around without losing future assets.
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Meh. We are who we are. We simply won't be living in our fears.
 
diver said:
You can fire Canada, which I think would be great but does that fix the starting running back running to darkness on occasion? Of the number 1 receiver dropping a long ball right in the hands? Or the rookie phenom trying to one hand a catch in the endzone he coulda had with 2 hands if he is athletic as they say?

Canada sucks, but what if the players they have, while good, aren't special?
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Coaches need to........coach. And then players simply need to make.... plays.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
I hate to be the guy to take a deuce on all the "fire Canada" talk (see what I did there?). But, Canada's contract isn't up until the end of the season; and we all know that ARll is not going to pay him to be at home. They'll let him stay until after the season and then we'll get the obligatory "contract not renewed" press release.
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He won’t get fired
But they sure as hell have stripped responsibility from coordinators before

Take away his game planning and play calling to start and go from there
 
madinsomniac said:
So we are 1-2, Losing two extremely winnable games… the yinzer panic buttons have all been mashed… lets talk about some of the moves that we absolutely should not make that are being advocated in the yinzerscape

1. Trading our first round pick… unless Kansas City is offering us Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, the first rounder should be 100% off the table. If things go south on the season , the reconfigured front office can show us what it really got by starting off its first draft with a potential top ten pick… we should not for virtually any reason give that up… thats how bad seasons turn into bad eras…

2. Trade for a DT. Fixing the run game is a schematic problem, not a talent problem… this set of DLinemen is as deep as we have had in ages. Leal might end up being a serious playmaker, Loudermilk is buried despite showing serious promise. Adding a premium name wont fix the problem… it would just flush assets down the drain

3. Trade for a Olineman. I advocated for this a couple weeks back, but at this point the oline has shown a little progress and adding new players is just going to push back the gelling process… plus this technique seems to be very difficult to get so unless the player was already up to speed with it, it probably wouldn’t have the effect we’d want

4. Trade for a Cornerback…the knock on Witherspoon was always consistency… and he has had a rough start to the season, but he is a legit playmaker and in his 49rs days had some big time shut down days… giving up on that guy after a few bad plays is just reactionary nonsense. Really good Corners are really pricey… we shouldn’t be moving premium pieces for band aids this season

5. Trading for an Ilb… yeah Bush has been a let down, but his play hasn’t been as awful as some would have you believe… it’s not even just the assets that you’d have to give up to get a good one… its the cap space at this point… its just a better gamble to hope Bush continues to improve and that maybe Robinson is ready sooner rather than later… ideally Bush shows enough to get added to the comp pick equation in the off-season

There are plenty of things we can do to turn the season around without losing future assets.
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As long as Tomlin is around, it will not matter who they bring in.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
He won’t get fired
But they sure as hell have stripped responsibility from coordinators before

Take away his game planning and play calling to start and go from there
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Canada should definitely be benched. I would start there.
Next switch to a 4-3. Jack would be MLB and could remove Bush from the field. Let Edmunds be the hybrid in certain situations.
 
A lot of good points in this thread. I want to reiterate the comments about the defensive line. This group has a lot of talent, particularly when you have an NFL-quality defender who doesn't dress on game days. There is a lot you can fix with the run defense by changing the scheme. I know they like to get to the quarterback, but the Steelers used to be able to take away the run completely AND get to the quarterback. There is so much value to taking away 50% of an offense.



slashsteel said:
Here is some things that could change: (not in any specific order)

1. Against running teams bench running deficient players. Players like Worm would be benched except 3rd and long. Rotating to keep players fresh only works if they aren't a liability in an area the opposing team is exceptionally strong in.

2. Double the opposing teams best WR. I seen times they didn't do that and it cost them.

3. Bench Trubisky. I just think you are looking at a sub 20 point QB more often than not.

4. Fire Canada. Seriously I think if you don't do this soon you are letting the cancer fester and opening the door for disgruntled players. Who will either try to do too much and/or will not be unified to promote winning.
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They won't do it, but changing OC's would go a long way. They need to ditch this four-year scheme of not trying to score on offense. That's literally the approach every week and it's impossible to argue otherwise. They suck at scoring touchdowns now and do nothing to change what they've done since Ben went on the IR several years ago. Canada is not an NFL OC, but this has been a Tomlin issue and they need a bright offensive mind to get things rolling again.

I'm not sure I'm ready to bench Trubisky quite yet, but if they go 1-3 and only score one TD against the Jets, it's going to be hard to not make a change...even if it's for Rudolph. The Steelers appear too cheap to fire coaches now so I don't anticipate a change until Canada's contract runs out and if they do let him go, this was a wasted season keeping him. Just a real mess hiring him in the first place.

Since first-round picks were mentioned, the Steelers just haven't spent enough premium picks on premium positions:

Since 2010, only 10 of 25 first- or second-round picks are still on the roster. Of those selections, they simply have not invested enough on premium positions in the first round (Pickett-2022, Watt-2017, Burns-2016, Dupree-2015, Jones-2013). Since 2017, they've invested first round picks in Edmunds, Bush, Fitzpatrick, and Harris. If you aren't getting a QB, LT, WR, EDGE, or CB, you better be getting an elite player like Fitzpatrick. Edmunds, Bush, and Harris haven't been good enough to justify early picks at less important positions.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
He won’t get fired
But they sure as hell have stripped responsibility from coordinators before

Take away his game planning and play calling to start and go from there
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But what if it's already tomlins game plan?
 
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