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Looks like they finally figured out when Antarctica melts

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People actually publish this nonsense. Sucks that they got the previous dates wrong, but glad they figured it out now.

Antarctica is headed for a climate tipping point by 2060, with catastrophic melting if carbon emissions aren’t cut quickly May 17, 2021 4.12pm EDT

While U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken draws attention to climate change in the Arctic at meetings with other national officials this week in Iceland, an even greater threat looms on the other side of the planet.

New research shows it is Antarctica that may force a reckoning between the choices countries make today about greenhouse gas emissions and the future survival of their coastlines and coastal cities, from New York to Shanghai.

That reckoning may come much sooner than people realize.

The Arctic is losing ice as global temperatures rise, and that is directly affecting lives and triggering feedback loops that fuel more warming. But the big wild card for sea level rise is Antarctica. It holds enough land ice to raise global sea levels by more than 200 feet (60 meters) – roughly 10 times the amount in the Greenland ice sheet – and we’re already seeing signs of trouble.

Scientists have long known that the Antarctic ice sheet has physical tipping points, beyond which ice loss can accelerate out of control. The new study, published in the journal Nature, finds that the Antarctica ice sheet could reach a critical tipping point in a few decades, when today’s elementary school kids are raising their families.

The results mean a common argument for not reducing greenhouse gas emissions now – that future technological advancement can save us later – is likely to fail.

Long lines are formed by the glacier's flow
A satellite image shows the long flow lines as a glacier moves ice into Antarctica’s Ross Ice Shelf, on the right. The red patches mark bedrock. USGS
The new study shows that if emissions continue at their current pace, by about 2060 the Antarctic ice sheet will have crossed a critical threshold and committed the world to sea level rise that is not reversible on human timescales. Pulling carbon dioxide out of the air at that point won’t stop the ice loss, it shows, and by 2100, sea level could be rising more than 10 times faster than today.

The tipping point​

Antarctica has several protective ice shelves that fan out into the ocean ahead of the continent’s constantly flowing glaciers, slowing the land-based glaciers’ flow to the sea. But those shelves can thin and break up as warmer water moves in under them.

As ice shelves break up, that can expose towering ice cliffs that may not be able to stand on their own.

There are two potential instabilities at this point. Parts of the Antarctic ice sheet are grounded below sea level on bedrock that slopes inward toward the center of the continent, so warming ocean water can eat around their lower edges, destabilizing them and causing them to retreat downslope rapidly. Above the water, surface melting and rain can open fractures in the ice.

When the ice cliffs get too tall to support themselves, they can collapse catastrophically, accelerating the rate of ice flow to the ocean.

Illustration shows how warming water can get under glaciers and destabilize them

Warmer circumpolar deep water can get under ice shelves and eat away at the base of glaciers. Scambos et. al. 2017. Global Planetary Change

The study used computer modeling based on the physics of ice sheets and found that above 2 C (3.6 F) of warming, Antarctica will see a sharp jump in ice loss, triggered by the rapid loss of ice through the massive Thwaites Glacier. This glacier drains an area the size of Florida or Britain and is the focus of intense study by U.S. and U.K. scientists.

To put this in context, the planet is on track to exceed 2 C warming under countries’ current policies.

Other projections don’t account for ice cliff instability and generally arrive at lower estimates for the rate of sea level rise. While much of the press coverage that followed the new paper’s release focused on differences between these two approaches, both reach the same fundamental conclusions: The magnitude of sea level rise can be drastically reduced by meeting the Paris Agreement targets, and physical instabilities in the Antarctic ice sheet can lead to rapid acceleration in sea level rise.

The disaster doesn’t stop in 2100​

(I had to cut out a bunch of the exciting article, because it was too long for this site. Darn it.
 
I'll just piggyback Kyle from the TV sitcom "Last Man Standing" when he said "I don't see what's so bad about rising sea levels, just gives the fish more room to swim".
 
People actually publish this nonsense. Sucks that they got the previous dates wrong, but glad they figured it out now.

Antarctica is headed for a climate tipping point by 2060, with catastrophic melting if carbon emissions aren’t cut quickly May 17, 2021 4.12pm EDT

Jesus Christ, will they stop predicting this ****. The following is not hyperbole. EVERYTHING they have predicted regarding doom and gloom climate wise has never happened. They are batting .000.

This same crowd had me scared as a 10 year old that there was a coming ice age and we would all freeze to death.



Not more than a handful of years later, it was global warming, then climate change then....

It's all bullshit. Earth's climate changes cyclically.
 
This world will end. That's an absolute. It will not be by our own hand and the planet will never flood over its entire surface again.


So enjoy the ride. You want to clean up the planet a bunch? Go talk to China&India.

We're pristine and pure by comparison.
 
In your case it's not surprising, but the ignorance is astounding.

I'm curious, what ignorance? Do you believe Antarctica is going to disappear?
Did you believe the polar bears would become extinct?
Did you believe the ice caps would all melt causing oceans to rise?
Did you believe in 1978 a pending ice age would kill us all?

Did you believe any of these?

1967: ‘Dire famine by 1975.’
1969: ‘Everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989.’
1970: Ice age by 2000
1970: ‘America subject to water rationing by 1974 and food rationing by 1980.’
1971: ‘New Ice Age Coming’

1972: New ice age by 2070
1974: ‘New Ice Age Coming Fast’
1974: ‘Another Ice Age?’
1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life’
1980: ‘Acid Rain Kills Life in Lakes’
1978: ‘No End in Sight’ to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1988: James Hansen forecasts increase regional drought in 1990s
1988: Maldives completely under water in 30 years
1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019
1995 to Present: Climate Model Failure
2000: ‘Children won’t know what snow is.’
2002: Famine in 10 years
2004: Britain to have Siberian climate by 2020
2008: Arctic will be ice-free by 2018
2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013
2009: Prince Charles says only 8 years to save the planet
2009: UK prime minister says 50 days to ‘save the planet from catastrophe’
2013: Arctic ice-free by 2015
2013: Arctic ice-free by 2016
2014: Only 500 days before ‘climate chaos’



Seems the ignorance, all of it, is on the fear-mongering left. Fear is a tool for Left for lots of things. In the case of weather, fear is used to do cute things like redistribute global wealth. So far, it's been nothing more than hoax after hoax for 60 years.
 
I'm curious, what ignorance? Do you believe Antarctica is going to disappear?
Did you believe the polar bears would become extinct?
Did you believe the ice caps would all melt causing oceans to rise?
Did you believe in 1978 a pending ice age would kill us all?

Did you believe any of these?

1967: ‘Dire famine by 1975.’
1969: ‘Everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989.’
1970: Ice age by 2000
1970: ‘America subject to water rationing by 1974 and food rationing by 1980.’
1971: ‘New Ice Age Coming’

1972: New ice age by 2070
1974: ‘New Ice Age Coming Fast’
1974: ‘Another Ice Age?’
1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life’
1980: ‘Acid Rain Kills Life in Lakes’
1978: ‘No End in Sight’ to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1988: James Hansen forecasts increase regional drought in 1990s
1988: Maldives completely under water in 30 years
1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019
1995 to Present: Climate Model Failure
2000: ‘Children won’t know what snow is.’
2002: Famine in 10 years
2004: Britain to have Siberian climate by 2020
2008: Arctic will be ice-free by 2018
2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013
2009: Prince Charles says only 8 years to save the planet
2009: UK prime minister says 50 days to ‘save the planet from catastrophe’
2013: Arctic ice-free by 2015
2013: Arctic ice-free by 2016
2014: Only 500 days before ‘climate chaos’



Seems the ignorance, all of it, is on the fear-mongering left. Fear is a tool for Left for lots of things. In the case of weather, fear is used to do cute things like redistribute global wealth. So far, it's been nothing more than hoax after hoax for 60 years.
Alarmist Assertion #4

“Sea Levels Rising – Warmer temperatures are causing glaciers and polar ice sheets to melt, increasing the amount of water in the world’s seas and oceans.”

The Facts

The pace of sea level rise remained relatively constant throughout the 20th century, even as global temperatures gradually rose. There has similarly been no increase in the pace of sea level rise in recent decades. Utilizing 20th century technologies, humans effectively adapted to global sea level rise. Utilizing 21st century technologies, humans will be even better equipped to adapt to global sea level rise.

Also, the alarmist assertion that polar ice sheets are melting is simply false. Although alarmists frequently point to a modest recent shrinkage in the Arctic ice sheet, that decline has been completely offset by ice sheet expansion in the Antarctic. Cumulatively, polar ice sheets have not declined at all since NASA satellite instruments began precisely measuring them 35 years ago.

A complete list can be found here. Forbes List

Climate Scientists cause fear mongering to keep money pouring in on their bullshit research projects. My favorite story from a buddy of mine, who sells paper and plastic products to businesses. He sat through a presentation for these biodegradable trash bags that fully decompose in a few years. They were like 10 times the price of regular trash bags. Everyone was a buzz at the convention over these trash bags and saving the environment. Excitement abound! Then it was his turn to speak. He took the podium and before presenting his material, he says something to the effect of "...those trash bags are something eh?" (Applause). "...so, correct me if I'm wrong...but...Harrisburg takes all of their trash to an incinerator, right? So why would I spend ten times the price for a trash bag to burn just as fast as a plastic one" Dead silence as reality set in.

It's all about making money.
 
From 1989


U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 30, 1989

UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.

He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.
As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.
Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.

″Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?″ he said.

UNEP estimates it would cost the United States at least $100 billion to protect its east coast alone.

Shifting climate patterns would bring back 1930s Dust Bowl conditions to Canadian and U.S. wheatlands, while the Soviet Union could reap bumper crops if it adapts its agriculture in time, according to a study by UNEP and the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis.

Excess carbon dioxide is pouring into the atmosphere because of humanity’s use of fossil fuels and burning of rain forests, the study says. The atmosphere is retaining more heat than it radiates, much like a greenhouse.

The most conservative scientific estimate that the Earth’s temperature will rise 1 to 7 degrees in the next 30 years, said Brown.

The difference may seem slight, he said, but the planet is only 9 degrees warmer now than during the 8,000-year Ice Age that ended 10,000 years ago.

Brown said if the warming trend continues, ″the question is will we be able to reverse the process in time? We say that within the next 10 years, given the present loads that the atmosphere has to bear, we have an opportunity to start the stabilizing process.″

He said even the most conservative scientists ″already tell us there’s nothing we can do now to stop a ... change″ of about 3 degrees.

″Anything beyond that, and we have to start thinking about the significant rise of the sea levels ... we can expect more ferocious storms, hurricanes, wind shear, dust erosion.″
He said there is time to act, but there is no time to waste.

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If we could get the Left Cost, and the liberal easy cost only, global warming would be worth it.

(Posted to trigger our foreign woke friends)
 
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