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MAF a second tier goalie?

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SEATTLE — It’s not quite mene, mene, teckel, upharsin yet, but the writing appears to be on the wall regarding the long-term future of Marc-André Fleury with the Penguins.

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With the 22-year-old Matt Murray having just helped the franchise capture its fourth Stanley Cup and Fleury, 31, still due $5.75 million in each of the next three seasons, it seems more likely than not that the younger of the two will have the crease to himself at some point soon.

As Jim Rutherford told our Josh Yohe and others at the NHL Draft, his “preference” is to keep Fleury around for the start of the 2016-17 season. There’s no doubt that having two very capable goalies is better than having one, although additional space under the salary cap would also help the Penguins optimize their upcoming title defense.

For argument’s sake, what would the Penguins be missing if Fleury were sent away from the only NHL team he’s ever known? Over his decade-plus in Pittsburgh, the popular perception of Fleury has fluctuated from raw talent … to champion on the rise … to unacceptably erratic … to surprisingly resurgent.


That last stage has played out over the past three seasons, when Fleury has recorded save percentages of .915, .921 and .920 while starting 76 percent of his team’s games. His performance since 2013-14, when Mike Bales took over as goaltending coach, has provide both volume and quality, as the league’s mean save percentage has stabilized at about .915.

But how has Fleury’s play matched up with those in his peer group? Or, to say it another way, where has he ranked against goalies who received similar workloads over the past three years?

Using data culled by Corsica Hockey, let’s first look at Fleury’s performance in even-strength situations, where the sample size is larger and isn’t privy to the fluctuations of special teams play.

Among the 24 goalies who’ve played 6,000 minutes or more since the fall of 2013, Fleury ranks 14th with a .926 save percentage. That positions him just behind Ben Bishop and Semyon Varlamov and just ahead of Sergei Bobrovsky and Pekka Rinne.

If we narrow down to just the past two years, Fleury has been even better at even strength, ranking eighth of 23 goalies with 4,000 minutes or more. His .930 save rate is level with 2015-16 Vezina Trophy winner Braden Holtby and one percentage point better than Tuukka Rask, who was voted the NHL’s top netminder in 2013-14.

How about shorthanded performance? We all know that hoary hockey cliché: Your goalie has to be your best penalty killer.

There have been 21 goalies who have absorbed at least 750 shorthanded minutes over the past three seasons. It’s in these situations that Fleury has truly shined, posting a .905 save percentage that trails only Varlamov’s .906. The ranking is almost identical if we focus in on the past two seasons, as well.

Thinking about shorthanded save percentage reminds that high-quality saves are the difference-makers more often than not. That’s where an interesting new stat called Expected Goals (xG) comes into play.

Using the xG model designed by Emmanuel Perry, which assigns a goal probability to each shot based on a variety of factors, Fleury should have allowed 464 goals in all situations over the past three seasons, when in actuality he has conceded 428. That’s about an 8 percent difference to the positive.

Of the 23 goalies who have played 8,000 all-situation minutes since the fall of 2013, Fleury ranks 10th in this area. Carey Price has the largest positive spread between xG allowed and actual goals allowed, at 23 percent, with Henrik Lundqvist ranking second at 16 percent.

So, while Fleury probably isn’t one of the five most valuable goalies in the league since the end of the lockout-shortened 2013 season, he’s firmly in that second tier that is reliably above average and — until this spring — remarkably durable. Only Jonathan Quick and Rask have been on the ice more often for their teams than Fleury during the span we looked at today.

Murray is one of the most highly-regarded goalie prospects in the NHL, but that’s still a high standard to live up to. The Penguins proved this spring that they don’t require otherworldly netminding to win, so it might not matter as much to them compared to teams like the Rangers or Canadiens, both of which lean on their masked men more than most.

However, we shouldn’t assume goalies like Fleury are easily replicated. As the numbers demonstrate, there have been few better in recent years.
 
Just spit it out already

Fleury has been world class during the regular season, no doubt


But Murray was a winner in the run to The Stanley Cup.....


The Scales say.....
 
It will be interesting to see how Murray preforms midway next season once teams have plenty of film on him. He definitely has his weak areas and may have benefited from the guys blocking every puck they could as they tend to in the playoffs.

Saying that. I like Matt Murray. He is young and has barely played any regular season games in the NHL. Will he have to improve some things? Yea. But Fleury has his weaknesses too.

Fleury has never really been a top tier goalie in my opinion. He has worked his way up there on occasion but then slips back down.

I'm glad we had both of them. Fleury led us into the post season and Murray led us to our 4th Championship.
 
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Trade Fleury to the Bolts for Bishop and Palat.

He is a Hall of Famer afterall
 
Trade Fleury to the Bolts for Bishop and Palat.

He is a Hall of Famer afterall

If it was that easy Spike lol.



I will say that MAF is a hall of famer. He played lights out during the regular season. I dont know how much of a factor he would've been in the playoffs if he didn't get hurt. The Pens skaters helped their goalie a bit in the playoffs. So maybe the same results. The difference between MAF and Murray is Murray is mentally stronger. I don't care what his performance numbers were. The guy responded well after a loss. I liked seeing Murray unphased by it all
 
I think it's smart to keep both goaltenders until you can see what Murray can do throughout the grind of the regular season.
 
Yes Fleury is a second tier goaltender. When was the last time he played for Team Canada?

Murray was greatly helped by a Pens team that knew he had little pro experience, and has some holes in his game. The team stepped up the team defence, and he was the beneficiary.
The problem is, the team knows that Fleury is the better goalie now, and two months ago, but that knowledge lets them be mentally sloppy when he plays. They are far more afraid of Murray, so they play much better defence. This happens with second string and backup goalies all the time.
 
Trade Fleury to the Bolts for Bishop and Palat.

He is a Hall of Famer afterall

a week or so I ago, I saw an article about shopping Bishop around....bleh
 
Yes Fleury is a second tier goaltender. When was the last time he played for Team Canada?

You better start sweeping the floors, the Cup is coming back to Canada



@reporterchris
Phil Kessel has officially chosen to host his day with the Stanley Cup in Toronto next month. The city remains his second home.


Kessel should eat hot dogs out of it all day long

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His days are numbered

Bishop reportedly wanted a 7 year contract extension with an average salary of $7 million a year.


Vasilevskiy signs 3-year contract extension with the Tampa Bay Lightning on Friday worth $3.5 million annually

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hock...y-signs-three-year-contract-extension/2283937

I'm afraid you are right. Guldvekis (sp?) that played down in Syracuse is pretty good, too. Wilcox was good college goalie and they just took one in the first round.
 
I'm afraid you are right.


Or maybe the Bolts are gonna sit on both goalies for awhile, like us...see if the young phenom can handle a full year of hockey


@TBTimes_JSmith
Vasilevskiy's agent, Rolly Hedges, said there were no guarantees given by TB about expansion draft. Doesn't have a no-move clause.
 
Or maybe the Bolts are gonna sit on both goalies for awhile, like us...see if the young phenom can handle a full year of hockey


@TBTimes_JSmith
Vasilevskiy's agent, Rolly Hedges, said there were no guarantees given by TB about expansion draft. Doesn't have a no-move clause.


That's what I think too
 
You better start sweeping the floors, the Cup is coming back to Canada



@reporterchris
Phil Kessel has officially chosen to host his day with the Stanley Cup in Toronto next month. The city remains his second home.


Kessel should eat hot dogs out of it all day long

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Everyone else takes it home, does things with the people who are important to them, communities, etc.

And one ***** is taking it elsewhere to be a douchenozzle?
 
Everyone else takes it home, does things with the people who are important to them, communities, etc.

And one ***** is taking it elsewhere to be a douchenozzle?


It's an honor for Toronto to be even near The Cup


Phil Kessel bringing the cup home to Toronto


As Phil mentioned after the Penguins won the Stanley Cup about the possibility of doing so, Chris Johnston from Sportsnet has confirmed that yes, Phil will host his day with the cup here in Toronto.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/t.../phil-kessel-bringing-the-cup-home-to-toronto

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It's the least Phyllis can do to thank those that made it possible for him to play for a SC contender.
 
It's the least Phyllis can do to thank those that made it possible for him to play for a SC contender.

What if he has friends and fans over in Toronto? I see nothing wrong with this. I think the media is trying to run a "slap in the face" story
 
What if he has friends and fans over in Toronto? I see nothing wrong with this. I think the media is trying to run a "slap in the face" story

He is reviled as a quitter in Toronto. Because he did. You could look it up.
 
ha ha - it never gets old

Thank You Toronto!

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He is reviled as a quitter in Toronto. Because he did. You could look it up.

I read that he is a quitter in Toronto and I think it was ESPN that said Toronto ran him out of town. So idk. He was far from a head case in his first season with Pittsburgh. I'm not complaining
 
Canadians know nothing about hockey, they couldn't even place a team in the playoffs!

USA owns hockey!
 
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