More Global Warming Fraud

[Ron Burgundy]

Or cooling. Or climate change. Whatever.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/19/more-countries-caught-manipulating-their-climate-data/

This is why less people are believing their crock of ****. They keep saying it's getting warmer but even casual observers, in other words people who have to scrape their cars and shovel their sidewalks every day, see that it's getting colder.

 

[ark steel]

see that it's getting colder.

Proof that change is happening!!!

OMG!! a coming Ice Age, we MUST do something before it is too late. Of course, by "something", I mean, increase taxes and give more power to the government. Really, it is the only way. Trust me.

 

[Badcat]

because purchasing carbon offsets to alleviate the guilt from elites is in no way a sign that climate change is all about money, right? Incite fear and panic in the weak minds of the populous, sell propaganda, damn business is good for Mr. Gore eh?

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

"Tipper...Daddy needs a new diesel truck to haul my fat ******* *** to the pool...how many carbon offsets do we need to purchase to ease the burden on the environment?" maniacle laugh...maniacle laugh.

 

[ark steel]

"Tipper...Daddy needs a new diesel truck to haul my fat ******* *** to the pool...how many carbon offsets do we need to purchase to ease the burden on the environment?" maniacle laugh...maniacle laugh.

I think it is "Tipper...Daddy needs a new diesel truck to haul my fat ******* *** to the pool...how many carbon offsets do we need to purchase FROM OUR COMPANY to ease the burden on the environment?" maniacle laugh...maniacle laugh.

 

[21STEELERS21]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150120151221.htm

Climate in different countries matters little in regard to global warming. It's the temperature of the ocean and the ice sheets
that end up melting that's the easy proof. If you take aerial pictures of ice sheets and its obvious they are dwindling over time,
it doesn't take a scientist to know what's happening. I would think 1st graders could reach intelligent conclusions.

And if you don't want to believe in global warming you should still want to reduce greenhouse gases to stop pollution.
Pollution causes cancer and China's cancer rates are drastically rising. Do you think the deteriorating air quality in China,
isn't man made?

 

[ark steel]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150120151221.htm

Climate in different countries matters little in regard to global warming. It's the temperature of the ocean and the ice sheets
that end up melting that's the easy proof. If you take aerial pictures of ice sheets and its obvious they are dwindling over time,
it doesn't take a scientist to know what's happening. I would think 1st graders could reach intelligent conclusions.

And if you don't want to believe in global warming you should still want to reduce greenhouse gases to stop pollution.
Pollution causes cancer and China's cancer rates are drastically rising. Do you think the deteriorating air quality in China,
isn't man made?

Do you, seriously, believe CO2 is causing cancer in China? Really?

On another note, you'd be hard pressed to find any of us that don't want to reduce pollution. I'm not going to buy that CO2 is pollution and cancer causing, though.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150120151221.htm

Climate in different countries matters little in regard to global warming. It's the temperature of the ocean and the ice sheets
that end up melting that's the easy proof. If you take aerial pictures of ice sheets and its obvious they are dwindling over time,
it doesn't take a scientist to know what's happening. I would think 1st graders could reach intelligent conclusions.

And if you don't want to believe in global warming you should still want to reduce greenhouse gases to stop pollution.
Pollution causes cancer and China's cancer rates are drastically rising. Do you think the deteriorating air quality in China,
isn't man made?

Ice sheets are getting bigger. Most of China smokes two packs a day, besides their population is too high anyway.

 

[Steeltime]

And if you don't want to believe in global warming you should still want to reduce greenhouse gases to stop pollution.
Pollution causes cancer and China's cancer rates are drastically rising. Do you think the deteriorating air quality in China, isn't man made?

CO2 is not a pollutant. Merriam-Webster defines a "pollutant" as "a substance that makes land, water, air, etc., dirty and not safe or suitable to use : something that causes pollution."

CO2 is a naturally-occurring element that is the product of life. Every creature that respirates generates CO2. Respiration, decomposing plants and the ocean generate vastly more CO2 than does petroleum use:

Further, the deteriorating air quality in China has NOTHING - not one goddam thing - to do with CO2 emissions and global-warming-err-cooling-ehhh-climate-change.

Health experts say that the current smog levels are not necessarily due to an increase in pollutant particles, more a lack of wind in dispersing the haze. The China Daily said there are also not enough 'green areas' in the city 'to help soak up the fumes discharged by vehicles and industries'. There has also been rapid industrialization in China and a heavy reliance on coal power, which have both contributed to the problem.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/beijing-air-pollution--causes-of-smog-in-china-125026173.html#zkOIVyB

The air pollution from coal power does NOT result from CO2, but instead from something called "particulate matter."

Airborne particulate matter represents a complex mixture of organic and inorganic substances. Mass and composition in urban environments tend to be divided into two principal groups: coarse particles and fine particles. ... The smaller particles contain the secondarily formed aerosols (gas-to-particle conversion), combustion particles and recondensed organic and metal vapours. The larger particles usually contain earth crust materials and fugitive dust from roads and industries. The fine fraction contains most of the acidity (hydrogen ion) and mutagenic activity of particulate matter, although in fog some coarse acid droplets are also present. Whereas most of the mass is usually in the fine mode (particles between 100 nm and 2.5 µm), the largest number of particles is found in the very small sizes, less than 100 nm. As anticipated from the relationship of particle volume with mass, these so-called ultrafine particles often contribute only a few % to the mass, at the same time contributing to over 90% of the numbers. Particulate air pollution is a mixture of solid, liquid or solid and liquid particles suspended in the air. These suspended particles vary in size, composition and origin.

http://www.greenfacts.org/en/particulate-matter-pm/level-3/01-presentation.htm#0p0

Particulate matter is not related to CO2 emissions or global warming. In fact, London in the 16th century suffered significant air pollution, though global warming was nothing more than a grant-dependent scientist's wet dream:

We have data for air pollution in London since 1585, estimated from coal imports till 1935 and adjusted to measured pollution from the 1920s till today. This shows how levels of smoke and sulphur pollution increased dramatically over the 300 years from 1585, reaching a maximum in the late 19th century, only to have dropped even faster ever since, such that the levels of the 1980s and1990s were below the levels of the late 16th century. And despite increasing traffic, particulate emissions in the UK are expected to decrease over the next 10 years by 30%. Smoke and particles are probably by far the most dangerous pollutant, and London's air has not been so free of them since the middle ages.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2001/aug/15/physicalsciences.globalwarming

Oh, and your suggestion that fighting air pollution in China will help reduce global-warming-uhhm-cooling-ehh-climate-change? Not so fast:

China's efforts to improve urban air quality are often viewed as a helper for fighting climate change, but a new joint China-U.S. study says otherwise.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-air-pollution-may-cause-more-global-warming/

 

[Vader]

Maybe I need to go back to my science class but best I remember C02 is not the same thing as C0 which is carbon monoxide. C0 is the bi-product of burning petroleum based products. Maybe cars put out C02 as well but the pollution is from C0 not C02.

 

[Spike]

White House: Climate change causes allergies, asthma, downpours, poverty, terrorism

 

[Spike]

If you take aerial pictures of ice sheets and its obvious they are dwindling over time,

ha ha

Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now

 

[hamster]

21 really needs to read what he is going to cut and paste.

 

[Spike]

ha ha - The polar caps are melting, as evidenced by record high ice levels!


Record Antarctic sea ice a logistic problem for scientists

SYDNEY: Growing sea ice surrounding Antarctica could prompt scientists to consider relocating research stations on the continent, according to the operations manager of the Australian Antarctic Division.

Rob Wooding said that resupplying Australia's Mawson Station -- the longest continuously operated outpost in Antarctica -- relied on access to a bay, a task increasingly complicated by sea ice blocking the way.

"We are noticing that the sea ice situation is becoming more difficult," Wooding told a media briefing on Monday ahead of two days of meetings between top Antarctic science and logistics experts in Hobart, the capital of Tasmania.

Wooding said that at Mawson, the ice typically only breaks up for one or two months of the summer, but in the last four to six years this has not happened every year, and some years only partially.

"In the 2013-4 season we couldn't get anywhere near Mawson due to the sea ice and we had to get fuel in there by helicopter which is inadequate for the long-term sustainability of the station," he said, adding that the French and Japanese had similar problems.

http://articles.economictimes.india...82704_1_sea-ice-national-snow-ice-data-center

 

[21STEELERS21]

http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-and-you/affect/air-emissions.html

Burning coal and oil produces sulfur dioxides, nitrogen oxides, carbon dioxide, methane, mercury

Most of Chinas pollution is from coal plants. Chinas smoking habits have not changed in the last couple decades.
What's changed is their economy and needing more energy, and thus in the process changing the atmosphere and the air they
breathe.

If nobody lived in China the air would be clear

 

[ark steel]

http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-and-you/affect/air-emissions.html

Burning coal and oil produces sulfur dioxides, nitrogen oxides, carbon dioxide, methane, mercury

Most of Chinas pollution is from coal plants. Chinas smoking habits have not changed in the last couple decades.
What's changed is their economy and needing more energy, and thus in the process changing the atmosphere and the air they
breathe.

If nobody lived in China the air would be clear

are you advocating killing all of the Chinese?

 

[21STEELERS21]

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...pse-city-almost-uninhabitable-pollution-china

Is China pollution man made or is it a hoax? Can pollution deplete the ozone or not?
Are conservatives smarter than 5th graders? Is Santa Claus fact or fiction?
Puzzling questions for the confusing times we live in.

 

[ark steel]

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...pse-city-almost-uninhabitable-pollution-china

Is China pollution man made or is it a hoax? Can pollution deplete the ozone or not?
Are conservatives smarter than 5th graders? Is Santa Claus fact or fiction?
Puzzling questions for the confusing times we live in.

Do you know anyone that says pollution is not man-made? No, you don't. Only when you liberals want to start throwing in all kinds of stupid **** into the definition of 'pollutant' do you get any flack.

But, hey, the Kyoto Treaty which was gonna save the world excluded China. THAT is your proof that it was nothing more than a money grab other than an actual solution to a problem that may or may not exist.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

But, hey, the Kyoto Treaty which was gonna save the world excluded China. THAT is your proof that it was nothing more than a money grab other than an actual solution to a problem that may or may not exist.

And India too. Heck, all of the Third World even though because they are the Third World they emit more pollution per capita since they're a notch above stone age. In China they still build brand new 1935 American steam locomotives because we sold them the tooling decades ago. They don't have a lot of oil but they have a lot of coal and a lot of people to go dig it.

This is just ONE steam locomotive on an excursion trip through my town. I shot this personally with my cell phone. Me and my bud had an "Oh ****" moment when we realized we were going to get covered with smoke.

 

[Spike]

"Air quality in the U.S. is better than ever – nitrous dioxide, sulfur dioxide, carbon monoxide and lead have all decreased between 46% and 92% between 1980 and 2008"

http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/index.html

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Global Warming Alert!

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

12 December 2007/
Science reporter, BBC News, San Francisco

Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm

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bawk

 

[Confluence]

for those who remember the way back, this all started as the Greenhouse Effect.

I remember dismantling fucktards like Elfie and 21 by simply asking what the most prevalent GH gas was.....then the social narrative evolved into Global Warming and ManBearPig set up his company to sell carbon offsets.

 

[Confluence]

http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-and-you/affect/air-emissions.html

Burning coal and oil produces sulfur dioxides, nitrogen oxides, carbon dioxide, methane, mercury

Most of Chinas pollution is from coal plants. Chinas smoking habits have not changed in the last couple decades.
What's changed is their economy and needing more energy, and thus in the process changing the atmosphere and the air they
breathe.

If nobody lived in China the air would be clear

the air is clear you racist dipshit

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Is China pollution man made or is it a hoax?

It's man made but they don't give a crap, which is kind of the point, that you missed.

 

[Steeltime]

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...pse-city-almost-uninhabitable-pollution-china

Is China pollution man made or is it a hoax? Can pollution deplete the ozone or not?
Are conservatives smarter than 5th graders? Is Santa Claus fact or fiction?
Puzzling questions for the confusing times we live in.

Communicating with you is very frustrating at times, since you appear to lack basic logic and reasoning skills. Specifically:

• Nothing anybody has written in this thread - NOTHING - suggests that genuine pollution is not man-made.
• Nothing that anybody has written in this thread - again, NOTHING - suggests that China's air pollution is a "hoax."
• Further, depletion of the ozone actually REDUCES global warming. Didn't know that, did you?
• Finally, your point - the one I refuted - tried to link global warming to air pollution. I correctly noted that the purported cause of AGW is CO2, which is NOT a pollutant. Here is what you wrote that started the debate:

And if you don't want to believe in global warming you should still want to reduce greenhouse gases to stop pollution.

Greenhouse gas = CO2 ǂ pollution.

Get it??

P.S. Regarding the ozone layer and supposed AGW:

The hole in the ozone layer in the earth’s upper atmosphere (stratosphere) reduces the greenhouse effect because ozone is a greenhouse gas.

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=84&t=11

For example, the CFCs that destroy ozone are also potent greenhouse gases, though they are present in such small concentrations in the atmosphere (several hundred parts per trillion, compared to several hundred parts per million for carbon dioxide) that they are considered a minor player in greenhouse warming. CFCs account for about 13% of the total energy absorbed by human-produced greenhouse gases.

The ozone hole itself has a minor cooling effect (about 2 percent of the warming effect of greenhouses gases) because ozone in the stratosphere absorbs heat radiated to space by gases in a lower layer of Earth’s atmosphere (the upper troposphere). The loss of ozone means slightly more heat can escape into space from that region.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/are-the-ozone-hole-and-global-warming-related/

 

[SteelChip]

This just in, California is saved from extinction by our dear leader......

 

[ark steel]

Hiatus? We don't see no stinking hiatus!

http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/4/8727459/global-warming-hiatus-never-happened-study

There ya go, problem solved. Onward to more grant money!!