NFL question, as the NHL proved it can be done.

[Coach]

Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Penguins and their fans.

I read the Penguins switched their head coach during the season, firing Johnston and giving the job to Sullivan.

It appears the new coach got them to potential and picked the right player at a key position ( goaltender ) for the biggest playoff games.

Now they are Champions!

And they say this can't be done in the NFL? Has it ever?

 

[antdrewjosh]

Alot longer season. Coaching changes in the NFL usually take place late in the year.

 

[Coach]

Alot longer season. Coaching changes in the NFL usually take place late in the year.

Change can either be good or bad.

I actually think it's easier to gain or lose momentum for a coach in the NFL. The NHL season is a grind. Sometimes a coaching switch before the season results in putting a team over the top. See Gruden in Tampa. He put them over the top and did it with a mediocre game managing type quarterback.

Has an NFL team ever fired a head coach during the season, only to see his replacement coach in a super bowl?

 

[AggieSteel]

I think it's much more difficult to install a new philosophy/system/playbook/etc halfway through a season in the NFL than it is in hockey.

 

[Coach]

I think it's much more difficult to install a new philosophy/system/playbook/etc halfway through a season in the NFL than it is in hockey.

Most head coaches do not call the plays on gameday. The coordinators do that, but the game plan is approved by the head coach.

The head coach is in charge of timeouts, replay challenges and the critical 3rd and 4th down calls on when to kick and when to go for it. The head coach picks who starts and who dresses for games. He's also the leader of the team, and responsible very important but hard to quantify stuff ( For fans ) like moral, and leadership

I have noticed some of the very bad teams that replace the coach often get a minor spike upwards after making an in-season move. This suggests a small impact can be made on a bad team. What about a. 500 or above team?

 

[POP]

I think it's much more difficult to install a new philosophy/system/playbook/etc halfway through a season in the NFL than it is in hockey.

The Ravens did switch out their offense and coach midway through their last Super Bowl season, but not the head coach.

I don't think it's realistic to switch out a head coach midstream and think you're gonna win a title.

For one, a head coach likes choosing his own staff, and you can't do that mid-season. It's impossible.

The only time owners switch out a head coach during the year is when the current coach is a hot mess (like Miami last year), but I doubt they actually think they have a hope at winning a SB when they do it.

The Rooneys would be the LAST owners to ever consider doing it. They wear coaching tenure like a medal of honor worn on their chest. They believe length of coach tenure is proof of superiority.

They constantly brag about it.

 

[Coach]

The Ravens did switch out their offense and coach midway through their last Super Bowl season, but not the head coach.

I don't think it's realistic to switch out a head coach midstream and think you're gonna win a title.

For one, a head coach likes choosing his own staff, and you can't do that mid-season. It's impossible.

The only time owners switch out a head coach during the year is when the current coach is a hot mess (like Miami last year), but I doubt they actually think they have a hope at winning a SB when they do it.

The Rooneys would be the LAST owners to ever consider doing it. They wear coaching tenure like a medal of honor worn on their chest. They believe length of coach tenure is proof of superiority.

They constantly brag about it.

I think the Raiders have replaced their head coach during the season and received mild results for the better. When the coach is fired, players wake up and play for their jobs. So it works on bad teams.

But what about the good teams that aren't being inspired, lead, or have the right players starting?

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

No. Coach. Just, no.

If you want to rev up the 'Fire Tomlin!' engines- just come out and say it. Dont hide behind the Stanley Cup.

 

[MTC]

Hockey is a completely different stratagy than football. In hockey Sullivan brought up speed to compliment the vets puck distribution. The Pens before Sullivan had one positive and that was passing. So when a new guy comes in mid season its easy to call up a few younger, speedier guys who can turn that passing into scoring opportunities.

In football you need week long prep, players excel in certain schemes than others etc. So sometimes change isnt always good in football. Football is a sport of consistency. If you notice a lot of "hype" teams have 1-3 good seasons then eventually flame out. While your traditional power houses always stay in contention and then all of a sudden have their championship season

 

[ark steel]

Hockey is a completely different stratagy than football. In hockey Sullivan brought up speed to compliment the vets puck distribution. The Pens before Sullivan had one positive and that was passing. So when a new guy comes in mid season its easy to call up a few younger, speedier guys who can turn that passing into scoring opportunities.

In football you need week long prep, players excel in certain schemes than others etc. So sometimes change isnt always good in football. Football is a sport of consistency. If you notice a lot of "hype" teams have 1-3 good seasons then eventually flame out. While your traditional power houses always stay in contention and then all of a sudden have their championship season

And, in the cases of the Lightning, anyway, the people brought up are being brought in from a farm club that plays the same basic style of offense. In the NFL, you can't just call someone up or send someone down to the farm club to make changes. You are stuck with what the other guy put in for players unless you get lucky that some guy sitting on a couch somewhere can still play a few games. In the NHL, the guys you call up, have been playing all year, just at a different level.

In a nutshell, trying to compare the two ain't too bright.

 

[swal75]

The Cavs fired their coach midway thru the season and are not going to win a title.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Didn't the colts change coaches midway due to the head coach being sick???? I think they went on to do pretty well. With the NFL 16 game schedule it would be just to much to over come. NO I'm pretty sure NO TEAM has made an in season head coaching change and then went on to win super bowl.




Salute the nation

 

[ark steel]

Didn't the colts change coaches midway due to the head coach being sick???? I think they went on to do pretty well. With the NFL 16 game schedule it would be just to much to over come. NO I'm pretty sure NO TEAM has made an in season head coaching change and then went on to win super bowl.




Salute the nation

They didn't change anything, really, just had Arians as their interim or substitute head coach. He was already the OC so nothing, actually, changed.

When the Ravens fired their OC, I don't think anything, much, changed there as I think harbaugh had already relieved him of play-calling duties during the game.

 

[Stryker]

They didn't change anything, really, just had Arians as their interim or substitute head coach. He was already the OC so nothing, actually, changed.

When the Ravens fired their OC, I don't think anything, much, changed there as I think harbaugh had already relieved him of play-calling duties during the game.

You can change your avatar Ark. The Pens took care of your team 2 weeks ago.

 

[Coach]

The Cavs fired their coach midway thru the season and are not going to win a title.

They made the finals so the coaching change has to be viewed as a success. And are not out of it. Down 3-2 in a best of seven series.

 

[Coach]

Didn't the colts change coaches midway due to the head coach being sick???? I think they went on to do pretty well. With the NFL 16 game schedule it would be just to much to over come. NO I'm pretty sure NO TEAM has made an in season head coaching change and then went on to win super bowl.




Salute the nation

Yes, Bruce Arians took over and they became a much better team for that year.

 

[ark steel]

Yes, Bruce Arians took over and they became a much better team for that year.

they became the exact same team! Arians was STILL calling the same plays for the same players as HC as he was as OC. they didn't bring any new blood. nothing. What don't you get? The team did not "Change" coaches. one got sick and missed a lot of games. the staff didn't change, the players didn't change, the system didn't change, nothing else changed.

Besides, he was one and done in the playoffs. Around here that is considered a failure, yes?

 

[Coach]

they became the exact same team! Arians was STILL calling the same plays for the same players as HC as he was as OC. they didn't bring any new blood. nothing. What don't you get? The team did not "Change" coaches. one got sick and missed a lot of games. the staff didn't change, the players didn't change, the system didn't change, nothing else changed.

Besides, he was one and done in the playoffs. Around here that is considered a failure, yes?

In 2012 offensive coordinator Bruce Arians was named as the interim head coach indefinitely after Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with leukemia four weeks into the 2012 NFL season.[7] Arians led the Colts to a 9–3 record – the record being credited to Pagano – and made the playoffs. The switch worked big time. Arians is one heck of a coach. Our record with him in the playoffs is good. Without him, poor.

 

[ark steel]

In 2012 offensive coordinator Bruce Arians was named as the interim head coach indefinitely after Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with leukemia four weeks into the 2012 NFL season.[7] Arians led the Colts to a 9–3 record – the record being credited to Pagano – and made the playoffs. The switch worked big time. Arians is one heck of a coach. Our record with him in the playoffs is good. Without him, poor.

Like talking to a wall. You just repeat irrelevant information thinking it matters.

I did have one error. Arians was not on the sideline for the Playoff loss for that season as, apparently, he was out with an ear infection.

In the 2013 and 2014 seasons the Colts were 11-5. if I recall, Arians went to AZ for the 2013+ seasons.

What, exactly, did Arians change? Did he change who was making the offensive calls? No, he kept making them. Did he change other coaches? No. Did he bring in a lot of players that were key to the success through the Draft or Free Agency? No. Did he change the offensive system? No. HE CHANGED NOTHING!!! The only thing that changed was that Pagano wasn't standing on the sidelines.

For those of you who maintain that Tomlin won with Cowher's players, the Colts in 2012 was the absolute most concrete example of a coach winning with other people's players, yet hang onto that like a life line of competence.

 

[Coach]

Like talking to a wall. You just repeat irrelevant information thinking it matters.

I did have one error. Arians was not on the sideline for the Playoff loss for that season as, apparently, he was out with an ear infection.

In the 2013 and 2014 seasons the Colts were 11-5. if I recall, Arians went to AZ for the 2013+ seasons.

What, exactly, did Arians change? Did he change who was making the offensive calls? No, he kept making them. Did he change other coaches? No. Did he bring in a lot of players that were key to the success through the Draft or Free Agency? No. Did he change the offensive system? No. HE CHANGED NOTHING!!! The only thing that changed was that Pagano wasn't standing on the sidelines.

For those of you who maintain that Tomlin won with Cowher's players, the Colts in 2012 was the absolute most concrete example of a coach winning with other people's players, yet hang onto that like a life line of competence.

The colts were the worst team in football the year before and he had a rookie QB. He made them winners. You can not say he changed NOTHING as you were not there. Arians also made Arizona into winners, with Carson Palmer at quarterback. Cleary he can coach.

I am listing teams that made a head coaching change, and in all cases I see they did slightly better.

PS: Change your avatar please

 

[ark steel]

The colts were the worst team in football the year before and he had a rookie QB. He made them winners. You can not say he changed NOTHING as you were not there. Arians also made Arizona into winners, with Carson Palmer at quarterback. Cleary he can coach.

I am listing teams that made a head coaching change, and in all cases I see they did slightly better.

PS: Change your avatar please

OMG, just stop. They were the worst. So what? Plenty of discussion that they were tanking the season to get Luck, although I don't think it was that intentional.

What did Arians change to make them more better? You don't know what he did, do you? We do know he didn't change coaching personnel. We know he didn't change the players. I suppose he could have given someone else play calling abilities while he was interim HC. Wouldn't seem to back up your claim, so let's go with no. if he didn't change the play calling abilities, the coaches or the players, he would have not changed the system.

So, what, exactly, did he change? Maybe he gave good rah-rah speeches to "win for Pagano". that team had a lot of emotion going for him. Any logical thinking gives you that he changed nothing. Or, at the least, nothing major. The fact that he was winning with another coaches players (LITERALLY!) should make you think it through. If not that, the fact that the team with 11-5 the next two years without him should give you a second thought, at least.

 

[Coach]

OMG, just stop. They were the worst. So what? Plenty of discussion that they were tanking the season to get Luck, although I don't think it was that intentional.

What did Arians change to make them more better? You don't know what he did, do you? We do know he didn't change coaching personnel. We know he didn't change the players. I suppose he could have given someone else play calling abilities while he was interim HC. Wouldn't seem to back up your claim, so let's go with no. if he didn't change the play calling abilities, the coaches or the players, he would have not changed the system.

So, what, exactly, did he change? Maybe he gave good rah-rah speeches to "win for Pagano". that team had a lot of emotion going for him. Any logical thinking gives you that he changed nothing. Or, at the least, nothing major. The fact that he was winning with another coaches players (LITERALLY!) should make you think it through. If not that, the fact that the team with 11-5 the next two years without him should give you a second thought, at least.

No you stop. Arians was named AP Head Coach of the Year in 2012 and 2014. He became the 11th coach to win the award multiple times and the fifth to win it twice in three seasons. His record as the hed coach is 34 wins 14 losses .708 winning percentage. WHO HAD BETTER that coaches for four season or more? NO ONE. Not even hall of fame coaches. Arians can coach and he dit it with a rookie QB and a non-franchise QB that was hit by injuries. To say he can't, it foolish. When he left, the Steelers record in the playoffs was not very good. Ben loved him.

Now if you want to retract anything, now's the time. Or you can choose to keep telling me to stop, and get bombared with true and factual replies that won;t make you look good. I hope you choose the former. You're not a bad guy. No offense meant.

-Coach

 

[insaniti]

No you stop. Arians was named AP Head Coach of the Year in 2012 and 2014. He became the 11th coach to win the award multiple times and the fifth to win it twice in three seasons. His record as the hed coach is 34 wins 14 losses .708 winning percentage. WHO HAD BETTER that coaches for four season or more? NO ONE. Not even hall of fame coaches. Arians can coach and he dit it with a rookie QB and a non-franchise QB that was hit by injuries. To say he can't, it foolish. When he left, the Steelers record in the playoffs was not very good. Ben loved him.

Now if you want to retract anything, now's the time. Or you can choose to keep telling me to stop, and get bombared with true and factual replies that won;t make you look good. I hope you choose the former. You're not a bad guy. No offense meant.

-Coach

Are you daft? Where is he saying that Arians can't coach? He's not, but he's right in that Arians didn't CHANGE anything on the Colts team he took over. It can't be considered a coaching change if nothing else was changed. Your point about Sullivan was an actually coaching change. He changed players, changed the strategy, he manipulated his lines. There were lots of changes. Arians didn't change anything, it was the same team that Pagano took back the very next year and had similar results.

You argument that the Colts were the worst team in football the year before is laughable. They didn't have Peyton Manning the entire year, and their backups were atrocious. It was the suck for luck season, not the Browns who turned things around.

 

[ark steel]

No you stop. Arians was named AP Head Coach of the Year in 2012 and 2014. He became the 11th coach to win the award multiple times and the fifth to win it twice in three seasons. His record as the hed coach is 34 wins 14 losses .708 winning percentage. WHO HAD BETTER that coaches for four season or more? NO ONE. Not even hall of fame coaches. Arians can coach and he dit it with a rookie QB and a non-franchise QB that was hit by injuries. To say he can't, it foolish. When he left, the Steelers record in the playoffs was not very good. Ben loved him.

Now if you want to retract anything, now's the time. Or you can choose to keep telling me to stop, and get bombared with true and factual replies that won;t make you look good. I hope you choose the former. You're not a bad guy. No offense meant.

-Coach

Why the **** would I retract anything? Only one thing I said was wrong and it wasn't even much of the main point AND I pointed out the error where no one else did. There are no factual replies you can give that dismisses my point about the "coaching change" for the colts.

As for Coach of the Year, this board tells me over and over again that awards like that don't mean ****. How many AP Coach of the Year awards did Chuck Noll win?

 

[Coach]

No you stop. Arians was named AP Head Coach of the Year in 2012 and 2014. He became the 11th coach to win the award multiple times and the fifth to win it twice in three seasons. His record as the hed coach is 34 wins 14 losses .708 winning percentage. WHO HAD BETTER that coaches for four season or more? NO ONE. Not even hall of fame coaches. Arians can coach and he dit it with a rookie QB and a non-franchise QB that was hit by injuries. To say he can't, it foolish. When he left, the Steelers record in the playoffs was not very good. Ben loved him.

Now if you want to retract anything, now's the time. Or you can choose to keep telling me to stop, and get bombared with true and factual replies that won;t make you look good. I hope you choose the former. You're not a bad guy. No offense meant.

-Coach

Why the **** would I retract anything? Only one thing I said was wrong and it wasn't even much of the main point AND I pointed out the error where no one else did. There are no factual replies you can give that dismisses my point about the "coaching change" for the colts.

As for Coach of the Year, this board tells me over and over again that awards like that don't mean ****. How many AP Coach of the Year awards did Chuck Noll win?

Arians took the head coaching leadership role of the worst team in football with a rookie QB and made them very good. That is impressive. To suggest he didn't help build a culture of winning or change things is foolish

Chuck Noll won coach of the year twice. the AP is not the lone authority.


Maxwell Club NFL Coach of the Year (1989) -Chuck Noll

UPI AFC Coach of the Year (1972) - Chuck Noll

I'm guessing you didn't know that or were only looking at the AP award. Noll was never popular with the press in general.

As you know a loaded team with hall of fame members seldom produces coach of the year which is what Noll had. However, he took a 1 win team and made them into winners.