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Pickett vs Predecessors

Good read and refresh and quite sobering to realize KP has been far less dangerous than Kordell, ouch

Thanks again Ben for erasing decades of memories of absolute scrub QBs and now I’m feeling super warm and fuzzy realizing KP is equivalent/compares to most of those bad QBs
 
We were spoiled with Ben. Guys at that time didn’t come out and succeed like he did. It was a different time. You couldn’t use the middle of the field like you can now. There was no QB protection. Just a different time. That’s why guys like Tua and Bryce young get drafted high. 20 years ago they never would have stood up to the pounding.
 
See I figured Pickett was going to be a better and more mobile version of ODonnell when we drafted him… his late game heroics are a pleasant surprise.. that I didn’t expect from him and is encouraging for his actual upside…
… unfortunately that upside might not be found here if we keep running this absurd O system…
 
madinsomniac said:
See I figured Pickett was going to be a better and more mobile version of ODonnell when we drafted him… his late game heroics are a pleasant surprise.. that I didn’t expect from him and is encouraging for his actual upside…
… unfortunately that upside might not be found here if we keep running this absurd O system…
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That’s the thing, it’s hard to compare anyone who is playing in this ****-hole offense. O’Canada is going backwards, because if you aren’t moving forward, there is no other direction than backwards.

BEN ROETHLISBERGER was a winner and Hard-Nose player. Having coach cool shades waste several years of his career just plain out sucked. Cowher would have gotten three more SBs with and for BR7, possibly 4.


Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
That’s the thing, it’s hard to compare anyone who is playing in this ****-hole offense. O’Canada is going backwards, because if you aren’t moving forward, there is no other direction than backwards.

BEN ROETHLISBERGER was a winner and Hard-Nose player. Having coach cool shades waste several years of his career just plain out sucked. Cowher would have gotten three more SBs with and for BR7, possibly 4.


Salute the nation
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Funny I thought of Canada the second I saw the article. That is how bad he is. I immediately thought of how they would have performed with Canada as their OC.

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Yeah, that was a good read and sets a more reasonable light on young Kenny. No matter who follows Ben, nobody approaches that rookie record. And I doubt but a very few will ever eclipse Ben overall. Without overt cheating.. As time passes Ben will look even better in hindsight. Tough act to follow.

An ESPN commentary on the woes of Bryce Young noted the inauspicious starts of some household names.... "Troy Aikman started 0-11 for the Dallas Cowboys, Jared Goff 0-7 for the Los Angeles Rams, Eli Manning 0-6 for the New York Giants, Tim Couch 0-6 for the Cleveland Browns, Alex Smith 0-5 for San Francisco 49ers, Trevor Lawrence 0-5 for the Jacksonville Jaguars and Vinny Testaverde 0-5 for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers."

Kenny was what, 10-5 in his rookie campaign and showed signs of becoming a serviceable QB - far eclipsing the aforementioned household names.

He has skills. He has a decent supporting cast. They rose up last year and showed they can play despite the tools that manage them. He's a hard enough worker that he could develop, again, despite the tools. Let him develop.

Another bit of perspective - In 76, Kruczek went 6-0 filling in for Bradshaw. That happened during the best sting of games ever registered by a defense. 9 wins in 9 games. Yeah, others have done that including the 04 Steelers. But in those 9 games in 76, the opposition scored 28 points. And 5 were shutouts including a 3 in a row and a 2 in a row. That is the story of Kruczek's 6-0 start.

And another bit of perspective - the 2000 rats' D was good - very good. 3 shutouts over 20 games good. Nobody was the 76 Steelers. And nobody ever will be.
 
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Can’t wait til we’re blaming some new offensive coordinator next year for why Kenny still looks so damn pedestrian-and I’d be remiss if I didn’t say “yes, we all know Canada sucks” but he’s just one part of this mediocrity equation

New scapegoat goat in place and all the KP nut huggers can proclaim how tough he is, and has it, learning a new system…these narratives almost write themselves.

It’ll be great watching him and Tomlin go 8-8-1 or 9-8 again!!! Two mediocre dudes being mediocre together. It’s a freakin mediocre Oreo cookie-that’s right no creamy middle on that bad boy.

And with Mitch looked in as a 2, nobody to even challenge for the job as the mediocrity just finds a new year/chapter to roll into
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Can’t wait til we’re blaming some new offensive coordinator next year for why Kenny still looks so damn pedestrian-and I’d be remiss if I didn’t say “yes, we all know Canada sucks” but he’s just one part of this mediocrity equation

New scapegoat goat in place and all the KP nut huggers can proclaim how tough he is, and has it, learning a new system…these narratives almost write themselves.

It’ll be great watching him and Tomlin go 8-8-1 or 9-8 again!!! Two mediocre dudes being mediocre together. It’s a freakin mediocre Oreo cookie-that’s right no creamy middle on that bad boy.

And with Mitch looked in as a 2, nobody to even challenge for the job as the mediocrity just finds a new year/chapter to roll into
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I think there is very few pro Kenny fans. You have a group that has given up on him (group A), a group that is waiting and seeing how he develops, but knows he needs to improve. They know he is part of the problem right now but also knows he is just starting out of the gates. (Group B)

I think that group A is impatient for group B to join them.

No reason for group B to be premature on their final decision. Kenny will be given an opportunity to improve beyond this season.
 
slashsteel said:
I think there is very few pro Kenny fans. You have a group that has given up on him (group A), a group that is waiting and seeing how he develops, but knows he needs to improve. They know he is part of the problem right now but also knows he is just starting out of the gates. (Group B)

I think that group A is impatient for group B to join them.

No reason for group B to be premature on their final decision. Kenny will be given an opportunity to improve beyond this season.
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Kenny will get every opportunity possible
That we know

Hell how long did they keep throwing Jarvis out there?


I guess I’m group C haha
Haven’t given up on Kenny but no dang way I’m holding my breath on him getting good either…the Complacemt group
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Kenny will get every opportunity possible
That we know

Hell how long did they keep throwing Jarvis out there?


I guess I’m group C haha
Haven’t given up on Kenny but no dang way I’m holding my breath on him getting good either…the Complacent group
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Ok got your written down for group C. I hear that comes with an inflatable Canada garden ornament.😉
 
I'm group B and fully understanding Canaduh is the biggest hindrance to KP reaching his full potential. If he isn't gone after this season and we don't get a real OC and entire new O staff in here next year, KP very well may never reach his potential here or anywhere else. Canaduh very well may have his first NFL QB kill under his belt.
 
I read that article yesterday and thought it to put things more into perspective.
It’s no secret I’m a big Kenny supporter (avatar) and I’m trying hard here to not sound bias.
Kenny’s 17 game body of work with this horrible OC and bad schemes and not so good OL really is not that bad.
Of course compared to Ben it pails in comparison and not to take anything away from a young Ben, but he was put into a far superior situation that Kenny. Again, Ben was a special talent no doubt but I think Kenny has to deal with so much more than Ben had to.
I think it starts with the OL and this team first needs a stud center not a backup. The guards I think are fine, the LT rookie Broderick Jones will be a stud but he’s going to grow into it. The RT Chuks stinks. Is Dan Moore the answer, idk.
All this has Kenny not stepping up and trusting his protection.
The running game just not good enough but Ray Fittapaldi spelling had a good suggestion.Start Warren early in the games since he would most likely help the passing game. Get a lead and bring Najee in second half to pound the ball and wear the defense down. Makes good sense!
The OC is NOT getting changed this year so Kenny is stuck with him. Canada MUST get the TEs involved in the passing game and stop ignoring Muuuth and Washington.
Now that DJ is back should free up Pickens. STOP bunching the receivers up and spread these guys out. Guess what Canada, Cal Austin can do more than run deep. Try some slants, WR screens, and let him get his YAC.
Kenny can succeed if he’s not set up to fail. Give him opportunities to succeed.
One last note: The two so called superstars Purdy and Hurts imo are system QBs. You put those two here I don’t think they are so special. Hurts more athletic but he wouldn’t light it up with his passing, not in this offense. Purdy would get killed in this offense.
 
steelhurt said:
I read that article yesterday and thought it to put things more into perspective.
It’s no secret I’m a big Kenny supporter (avatar) and I’m trying hard here to not sound bias.
Kenny’s 17 game body of work with this horrible OC and bad schemes and not so good OL really is not that bad.
Of course compared to Ben it pails in comparison and not to take anything away from a young Ben, but he was put into a far superior situation that Kenny. Again, Ben was a special talent no doubt but I think Kenny has to deal with so much more than Ben had to.
I think it starts with the OL and this team first needs a stud center not a backup. The guards I think are fine, the LT rookie Broderick Jones will be a stud but he’s going to grow into it. The RT Chuks stinks. Is Dan Moore the answer, idk.
All this has Kenny not stepping up and trusting his protection.
The running game just not good enough but Ray Fittapaldi spelling had a good suggestion.Start Warren early in the games since he would most likely help the passing game. Get a lead and bring Najee in second half to pound the ball and wear the defense down. Makes good sense!
The OC is NOT getting changed this year so Kenny is stuck with him. Canada MUST get the TEs involved in the passing game and stop ignoring Muuuth and Washington.
Now that DJ is back should free up Pickens. STOP bunching the receivers up and spread these guys out. Guess what Canada, Cal Austin can do more than run deep. Try some slants, WR screens, and let him get his YAC.
Kenny can succeed if he’s not set up to fail. Give him opportunities to succeed.
One last note: The two so called superstars Purdy and Hurts imo are system QBs. You put those two here I don’t think they are so special. Hurts more athletic but he wouldn’t light it up with his passing, not in this offense. Purdy would get killed in this offense.
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I like the Najee-Warren idea. He is the more explosive back makes perfectly good sense. Especially with teams loading the box.
 
slashsteel said:
Ok got your written down for group C. I hear that comes with an inflatable Canada garden ornament.😉
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That’ll scare a brother into group A or B

Watching my dog piss all over Matt May be an uplifting way to start the day, on second thought send that bad boy over 😂
 
I'm in category C
Keep Pat, Pickens and Warren, the only guys who have earned their money on a semi consistent basis. Worked through bad playcalling and bad QB play, Bad line, yet still have shown talent, production and grit. Not the biggest DJ fan but he hasn't looked nearly as bad as most of the rest of the offense either.
Everyone else in the rooms production can be easily upgraded.
 
Vincent said:
Yeah, that was a good read and sets a more reasonable light on young Kenny. No matter who follows Ben, nobody approaches that rookie record. And I doubt but a very few will ever eclipse Ben overall. Without overt cheating.. As time passes Ben will look even better in hindsight. Tough act to follow.

An ESPN commentary on the woes of Bryce Young noted the inauspicious starts of some household names.... "Troy Aikman started 0-11 for the Dallas Cowboys, Jared Goff 0-7 for the Los Angeles Rams, Eli Manning 0-6 for the New York Giants, Tim Couch 0-6 for the Cleveland Browns, Alex Smith 0-5 for San Francisco 49ers, Trevor Lawrence 0-5 for the Jacksonville Jaguars and Vinny Testaverde 0-5 for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers."

Kenny was what, 10-5 in his rookie campaign and showed signs of becoming a serviceable QB - far eclipsing the aforementioned household names.

He has skills. He has a decent supporting cast. They rose up last year and showed they can play despite the tools that manage them. He's a hard enough worker that he could develop, again, despite the tools. Let him develop.

Another bit of perspective - In 76, Kruczek went 6-0 filling in for Bradshaw. That happened during the best sting of games ever registered by a defense. 9 wins in 9 games. Yeah, others have done that including the 04 Steelers. But in those 9 games in 76, the opposition scored 28 points. And 5 were shutouts including a 3 in a row and a 2 in a row. That is the story of Kruczek's 6-0 start.

And another bit of perspective - the 2000 rats' D was good - very good. 3 shutouts over 20 games good. Nobody was the 76 Steelers. And nobody ever will be.
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Ben definitely had big shoes to fill. I think the shoes shrank a little after the elbow injury and his legs went. His rookie season was pretty magical. Like 15 straight wins and 4 GW drives. Hard to ever come in and do something like that again in the NFL.

Kenny was 7-5 and one of those win Mitch game in the game in the 3rd and went 9/12 144 yards and a td after KP was :poop: ing the bed. He did flash a few times and because of those I am holding out hope. He has flashed a little more this year. Still far from a finished product but can't say he is a bust either.

Yeah, '76 Steelers defense has to be the best ever. I am sure I am a little bias but if Bradshaw stays healthy I don't see why they wouldn't have threepeated.
 
FordFairLane said:
Ben definitely had big shoes to fill. I think the shoes shrank a little after the elbow injury and his legs went. His rookie season was pretty magical. Like 15 straight wins and 4 GW drives. Hard to ever come in and do something like that again in the NFL.

Kenny was 7-5 and one of those win Mitch game in the game in the 3rd and went 9/12 144 yards and a td after KP was :poop: ing the bed. He did flash a few times and because of those I am holding out hope. He has flashed a little more this year. Still far from a finished product but can't say he is a bust either.

Yeah, '76 Steelers defense has to be the best ever. I am sure I am a little bias but if Bradshaw stays healthy I don't see why they wouldn't have threepeated.
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Who’s BIG shoes did BEN have to fill???? We didn’t have decent QB-ing till BEN showed up. Until then it was mediocre at best. Wait, Kordell was relevant and better than most think, but definitely easily filled shoes………


Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
Who’s BIG shoes did BEN have to fill???? We didn’t have decent QB-ing till BEN showed up. Until then it was mediocre at best. Wait, Kordell was relevant and better than most think, but definitely easily filled shoes………


Salute the nation
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I think he skipped from Terry all the way to Ben.🤣
 
FordFairLane said:
Ben definitely had big shoes to fill.

Yeah, '76 Steelers defense has to be the best ever. I am sure I am a little bias but if Bradshaw stays healthy I don't see why they wouldn't have threepeated.
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Ben filled Terry's shoes.

Our heroes made it to the 76 AFCCG sans #32 and #20.. Too much to overcome in Oakland. Which gave us the famous Lambert quip -'ah hell, give us a 6-pack and we'll play em again'. He meant each. They would have. And they might have won. #32 and #20 would have had time to heal and they would have made a mess of the Vikings again.

I lived in SF at the time. Hated raider fans going on preventing a Steeler 3peat. Sans #32 and #20. I hated that team. Loaded with players though.
 
steelhurt said:
I read that article yesterday and thought it to put things more into perspective.
It’s no secret I’m a big Kenny supporter (avatar) and I’m trying hard here to not sound bias.
Kenny’s 17 game body of work with this horrible OC and bad schemes and not so good OL really is not that bad.
Of course compared to Ben it pails in comparison and not to take anything away from a young Ben, but he was put into a far superior situation that Kenny. Again, Ben was a special talent no doubt but I think Kenny has to deal with so much more than Ben had to.
I think it starts with the OL and this team first needs a stud center not a backup. The guards I think are fine, the LT rookie Broderick Jones will be a stud but he’s going to grow into it. The RT Chuks stinks. Is Dan Moore the answer, idk.
All this has Kenny not stepping up and trusting his protection.
The running game just not good enough but Ray Fittapaldi spelling had a good suggestion.Start Warren early in the games since he would most likely help the passing game. Get a lead and bring Najee in second half to pound the ball and wear the defense down. Makes good sense!
The OC is NOT getting changed this year so Kenny is stuck with him. Canada MUST get the TEs involved in the passing game and stop ignoring Muuuth and Washington.
Now that DJ is back should free up Pickens. STOP bunching the receivers up and spread these guys out. Guess what Canada, Cal Austin can do more than run deep. Try some slants, WR screens, and let him get his YAC.
Kenny can succeed if he’s not set up to fail. Give him opportunities to succeed.
One last note: The two so called superstars Purdy and Hurts imo are system QBs. You put those two here I don’t think they are so special. Hurts more athletic but he wouldn’t light it up with his passing, not in this offense. Purdy would get killed in this offense.
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Was this the article? I got a different take on it.
While pundits point to predictable play-calling under the direction of offensive coordinator Matt Canada as the heart of the Steelers' struggles, not all of the quarterback's shortcomings can be laid at the feet of the coordinator.

"Kind of the crazy thing is that -- and I think we saw it last year as a rookie -- he was having a little trouble identifying stuff and kind of getting to the right spot early in the process," Hall of Fame quarterback and NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner told ESPN.
 
Vincent said:
Ben filled Terry's shoes.

Our heroes made it to the 76 AFCCG sans #32 and #20.. Too much to overcome in Oakland. Which gave us the famous Lambert quip -'ah hell, give us a 6-pack and we'll play em again'. He meant each. They would have. And they might have won. #32 and #20 would have had time to heal and they would have made a mess of the Vikings again.

I lived in SF at the time. Hated raider fans going on preventing a Steeler 3peat. Sans #32 and #20. I hated that team. Loaded with players though.
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I don't think we will ever see a QB win super bowls like Bradshaw and Brady did. Mahomes has a shot to be a 4x super bowl winner but as you can see this year they have scraped by a few wins of team like the Jets, Vikings and Donkeys. They might be the team to beat in the AFC but imo they aren't an imposing team to beat at this point. I think once they start playing good teams their armor chinks.
 
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