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Studs Watt/Heyward/Mink
Second tier Pickett,Pickens,the right side of the Oline and maybe C. Muth, Wallace, Kaz, Edmunds, Sutton.Highsmith. On STs Boz is a stud, and the LS is second tier along with Sims. Najee is second tier as is the rookie RB. Larry O and maybe the rookie is second tier.
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No busts?
What we mostly are missing are positional anchor pieces… we have Watt, heyward and Mincah at D, and have a lot of solid pieces around them, but we are missing a true shutdown corner and a defensive qb Ilb.. though maybe year 2 Miles Jack will become that…
On O we dont have a true #1wr yet… Pickens can be that, but he ain’t there yet
We really need a real stud Olineman to build around.. we have guys who can function around an anchor, but we don’t have tge guy to build the blocking scheme around…
No idea what Pickett is yet… we better not draft anymore high qbs until we have that line fixed, that is for certain… let him ride it out..
On O we dont have a true #1wr yet… Pickens can be that, but he ain’t there yet
We really need a real stud Olineman to build around.. we have guys who can function around an anchor, but we don’t have tge guy to build the blocking scheme around…
No idea what Pickett is yet… we better not draft anymore high qbs until we have that line fixed, that is for certain… let him ride it out..
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Coolie is a bust
Bush, DJ for his skillset, Moore, Spillane and Maulet in pass coverage. The team is missing one WR, one LT, one consistent LG, a true number 1 corner. An ILBer and a pass rusher relief pitcher.
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I'm going purely on production from my POV. I'm also going to add a "solid" tier which is between stud and 2nd tier.
QB
Pickett - scrub
Trubisky - scrub
RB
Warren - 2nd tier
Watt - 2nd tier
Harris - scrub (trending toward 2nd tier)
WR
Pickens - solid
Johnson - 2nd tier
Sims - scrub
Olszewski - scrub
Boykin - bust
TE
Freiermuth - solid
Gentry - scrub
Heyward - scrub
OL
Daniels - solid
Cole - 2nd tier
Okorafor - 2nd tier (trending toward scrub)
Dotson - scrub (between scrub and 2nd tier)
Moore - scrub
DL
Heyward - stud
Ogunjobi - solid
Wormley - 2nd tier
Leal - 2nd tier
Adams - 2nd tier
Alualu - bust
LB
Watt - stud
Highsmith - solid (between solid and second tier)
Jack - 2nd tier
Bush - scrub (trending toward 2nd tier)
Spillane - scrub
Reed - bust
DB
Fitzpatrick - stud
Sutton - solid
Edmunds - solid
Wallace - 2nd tier
Maulet - scrub
WItherspoon - bust
Norwood - bust
Jackson - bust
QB
Pickett - scrub
Trubisky - scrub
RB
Warren - 2nd tier
Watt - 2nd tier
Harris - scrub (trending toward 2nd tier)
WR
Pickens - solid
Johnson - 2nd tier
Sims - scrub
Olszewski - scrub
Boykin - bust
TE
Freiermuth - solid
Gentry - scrub
Heyward - scrub
OL
Daniels - solid
Cole - 2nd tier
Okorafor - 2nd tier (trending toward scrub)
Dotson - scrub (between scrub and 2nd tier)
Moore - scrub
DL
Heyward - stud
Ogunjobi - solid
Wormley - 2nd tier
Leal - 2nd tier
Adams - 2nd tier
Alualu - bust
LB
Watt - stud
Highsmith - solid (between solid and second tier)
Jack - 2nd tier
Bush - scrub (trending toward 2nd tier)
Spillane - scrub
Reed - bust
DB
Fitzpatrick - stud
Sutton - solid
Edmunds - solid
Wallace - 2nd tier
Maulet - scrub
WItherspoon - bust
Norwood - bust
Jackson - bust
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The question shows the problem... we have very few studs and a whole bunch of scrubs.
Watt, Minkah, Heyward are clearly the studs on this team. Najee, I think, has the potential to be a stud, but the o-line is all scrubs and busts. Pickens has the potential to be a stud, but at this point, his QB is kind of a scrub.
We have no true starting corners on the team, just a bunch of scrubs, but, to their credit, they show a lot of heart... but they all still get burnt over and over. Sad how Burrow kept hitting open receivers quickly when he had no time to throw. If we had anyone who could cover (or maybe just a coach who could scheme)....
Highsmith is ok. Jack is ok. Spillane is clearly second tier, but usually ok. Kind of a Jerry Olsavsky type. Bush is a total bust, but recently on rare occasion makes a play.
No one stands out on the d-line besides Cam. Ogunjobi and Alualu occasionally are visible, but it's rare.
I feel our coaching staff is complete garbage, and we're not getting the most out of any players. It's way past time to clean house on the staff.
Obviously, the jury is still out on Pickett. He scrambled and threw it away many times today. I wonder if the receivers were quitting on the play. He also missed badly on several throws and threw into coverage too often.
It WAS nice seeing our team compete for a half today, but four straight 3-and-outs to start the 2nd half was brutal.
Watt, Minkah, Heyward are clearly the studs on this team. Najee, I think, has the potential to be a stud, but the o-line is all scrubs and busts. Pickens has the potential to be a stud, but at this point, his QB is kind of a scrub.
We have no true starting corners on the team, just a bunch of scrubs, but, to their credit, they show a lot of heart... but they all still get burnt over and over. Sad how Burrow kept hitting open receivers quickly when he had no time to throw. If we had anyone who could cover (or maybe just a coach who could scheme)....
Highsmith is ok. Jack is ok. Spillane is clearly second tier, but usually ok. Kind of a Jerry Olsavsky type. Bush is a total bust, but recently on rare occasion makes a play.
No one stands out on the d-line besides Cam. Ogunjobi and Alualu occasionally are visible, but it's rare.
I feel our coaching staff is complete garbage, and we're not getting the most out of any players. It's way past time to clean house on the staff.
Obviously, the jury is still out on Pickett. He scrambled and threw it away many times today. I wonder if the receivers were quitting on the play. He also missed badly on several throws and threw into coverage too often.
It WAS nice seeing our team compete for a half today, but four straight 3-and-outs to start the 2nd half was brutal.
It is this. They want to just drill the players and have them execute at a high level. They think that is what will win them games. The HC even mentions it in pressors. We need to execute better. That can win you games when you have Alabama Vs some small scrub school talent. But in the NFL you have to have a good X and O capability. Which it will shine with half time adjustments. That is where games are often won and lost. This team again doesn't have an elite QB masking deficiencies. They aren't smart enough to mask schematic and player deficiencies.
At this point changing coordinators won't even help if the HC refuses to let them guide their squads. Let them make half the adjustments. Don't run the same **** over and over and over and over expecting different results.
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It’s not every play, but DJ’s body language is bad on some plays when he doesn’t get the ball but is also covered well. One instance was when Pickett rolled out, DJ just stood there rather than running toward the sideline where a play could’ve been made. I know they’re probably frustrated for all the missed plays by the QB, but there are missed plays by the WRs as well.
During losing seasons talent is woefully underrated, during winning seasons talent is radically overrated… if anyone thinks this is a talent issue and not a coaching staff issue they simply aren’t watching enough non Steelers football… that dline should be one of the best in the league … Larry O was about to sign a monster contract in the off-season before his lingering injury voided it… Heyward is a beast… you don’t need all stars at every position to excel… they should be able to function with what they have… at olb tgey should be excellent… this is as deep as we have been in a while … Reed is one of the best #3 olbs out there. At safety we are really deep now… ilb sure Bush is inconsistent, but spillane is average and Jack a bit above average.. Edmunds has had a good season, Mincah is a beast and Kazee is a great option as a third S
At CB we surely need a true 1 cb, but Wallace was basically as good as a 2 in Buffalo and Witherspoon is a playmaker when utilized right… Sutton is a solid all purpose guy… many of the other guys are more than sufficient for their roles… the issues are almost certainly the scheme and how we overuse a moldy old cover 2 and cover 3 set…
On offense Tomlin’s teams have more often than not had square pegs in round holes at OL… there would be pass first teams Chucks would fit well on.. Daniels was one of the best young olinemen available … cole is an average center… Dotson is maddeningly inconsistent and Moore is playing LT despite having speed rush issues
Its a hodgepodge.. not really set up for Aggressive drive blocking or finesse zone blocking… i think we definitely need a scheme anchor here, but none of these guys wouldn’t be on an nfl team if we cut them tomorrow…
At RB its hard to say… we suck at teaching fundamentals and rbs are mostly a product of tge offense and oline…
At Te we should be extremely good.. Muuth is extremely talented but still underdeveloped… gentry is a solid number 2…
At WR people still underrate DJ… he is a top 15 wr at worse… pickens may be better, he is a rookie but after that our next three are basically special teams aces… its not ideal…
At qb we have a rookie starter… despite what people think rookies at qb are almost exclusively garbage… only 20 or so in nfl history have played in 8 games or more and had a passer rating above the mid 80’s… most are 50’s or 60’s. Few ever even have a moderate winning percentage.. throw in that we have an offense that hasn’t been working in five years, and its not ideal
At CB we surely need a true 1 cb, but Wallace was basically as good as a 2 in Buffalo and Witherspoon is a playmaker when utilized right… Sutton is a solid all purpose guy… many of the other guys are more than sufficient for their roles… the issues are almost certainly the scheme and how we overuse a moldy old cover 2 and cover 3 set…
On offense Tomlin’s teams have more often than not had square pegs in round holes at OL… there would be pass first teams Chucks would fit well on.. Daniels was one of the best young olinemen available … cole is an average center… Dotson is maddeningly inconsistent and Moore is playing LT despite having speed rush issues
Its a hodgepodge.. not really set up for Aggressive drive blocking or finesse zone blocking… i think we definitely need a scheme anchor here, but none of these guys wouldn’t be on an nfl team if we cut them tomorrow…
At RB its hard to say… we suck at teaching fundamentals and rbs are mostly a product of tge offense and oline…
At Te we should be extremely good.. Muuth is extremely talented but still underdeveloped… gentry is a solid number 2…
At WR people still underrate DJ… he is a top 15 wr at worse… pickens may be better, he is a rookie but after that our next three are basically special teams aces… its not ideal…
At qb we have a rookie starter… despite what people think rookies at qb are almost exclusively garbage… only 20 or so in nfl history have played in 8 games or more and had a passer rating above the mid 80’s… most are 50’s or 60’s. Few ever even have a moderate winning percentage.. throw in that we have an offense that hasn’t been working in five years, and its not ideal
Their philosophy roadblocks them even before they hit the field. They don't feel they need to build in the trenches. They think a bunch of ok corners will suffice with a good pass rush. They think to out execute over out scheme. When you are dumb on the football field it won't put the players in position to win in the late stages of a game. Hard for me to evaluate talent when it is getting roadblocked each and every game. In the meantime sure we can point out a players deficiencies in the process. But when you limit their strengths you are left with mixed signals due to outcomes. When you can't adjust your plays and put the best plays out there your box becomes limited. Limiting success in the process.
Yes… this is very much a philosophy issue bleeding throughout the team
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After a while, the players have to be done hoping. I can't imagine that they don't see the issues. I bet that they feel stuck in stupid.
Some probably realize it. Others buy into the execution preachings. Just execute better on D you didn't execute causing that long drive not limiting points. On O you didn't execute and score on short fields.
Just execute better this will get us more wins honest. Honest engine choo ******* choo.
I remember Bill Parcells years ago questioning whether to draft corners real high unless they were a sure thing. The thought being with the rules, is there really such a thing as a true shutdown anymore? IDK, I just remember that.
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It's hard to see on TV, but I wonder if when Kenny is running for his life, are WR's breaking off their routes to get him a target? Are they even allowed to under Canada? Doesn't seem like it, but as I said, sometimes it's hard to see on TV.
True hard to find a true shut down corner. Very hard position to eval in general. I think you have to keep looking though. Just like QBs you can't draft living off of fears. I can understand this teams reluctance to draft one high with their failures.
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As seen with mid season departures by Blount, Deebo and Ingram.
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Meh its Dan Bylsma and the Pens all over again… guy had a system and philosophy that jived really great with the talented but overly repressed team Theirrien had constructed… he won a quick stanley cup with them.. but as he fleshed out his system, it really didn’t work … he had no real answers outside of preaching better execution… his famous catchphrase was “ we have to get to our game” never anything like “we have to adapt to achieve”… nope… the mindset was just play better and everything would be fine.. he had some magnificently talented teams stuck in neutral before the Pens finally fired him… then he went to Buffalo and burned out quickly because they recognized that he didn’t really have a clue… he was just retreading old strategies he learned as a player that didn’t work in the modern game
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The entire offense outside of Pickens is trash. Frieermuth is solid, Dionte is way overpaid, Warren has looked great but is hurt.
Between Pickett, Harris and Johnson the numbers are historically bad.
Joe Burrow threw 2x as many TD's than Pickett has for the entire season at acrisure, in 1 game, and that is without his #1 reciever. LOL
Has there ever been a team in the NFL where the QB, RB and #1 WR on the team were all outplayed by the #2 guys??
Making History here folks
Between Pickett, Harris and Johnson the numbers are historically bad.
Joe Burrow threw 2x as many TD's than Pickett has for the entire season at acrisure, in 1 game, and that is without his #1 reciever. LOL
Has there ever been a team in the NFL where the QB, RB and #1 WR on the team were all outplayed by the #2 guys??
Making History here folks