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Regarding the "Oh, the Steelers should not draft a CB because prior selections " theme - what about QB's?

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I have read four or five SN members say they don't want the Steelers to draft a CB at 20 because, "Look at their terrible history of drafting CB's." Okay, one 1st round pick in 23 years, whatever. So where are the same comments about drafting a QB under Mike Tomlin? Let's take a look, shall we?

2008: Dennis Dixon. Yeah, no.
2013: Landry Jones. Pass ... AND IT'S INTERCEPTED!
2017: Joshua Dobbs. Uhhh ... sure.
2018: Mason Rudolph. Dude is why the Steelers are desperate to draft a QB today.

Given that draft history, who thinks this current group of talent evaluators is to be trusted on evaluating QB talent? Four selections, one involving a trade to move up in the 3rd round, and four absolute duds.
 
Dixon was far and away the most talented of that quartet.
but he wasnt going to play. everyone knew that. even Dixon's mom.

that said, seeing as how the team has beefed up at almost every position (and could still add Honey Badger) ... if a QB is who the FO decides we need and the QB they decide is in the first round, while I'll be shocked that they pass on numerous other talented players, i'll hope that this is the next franchise QB.

that said, I'd believe Corral is the cream of this crop.

Though, between the four top QBs (Corral, Willis, Pickett and Ridder), there's not a clear cut favorite. I don't believe any of the four are "that guy".
 
Depends on how you look at it. The current group of talent evaluators also includes the Director of Football Operations/GM who was part of bringing Ben Roethlisberger to the Steelers. That turned out pretty well. Of course, he was a first-round pick and franchise QB; which meant none of those other guys would be. So, if you look at them as picks for developmental guys to be backups to Ben ... They still suck. But not as much when you don't expect 3rd and 4th round guys to perform like Franchise QBs.
 
Superman said:
Dixon was far and away the most talented of that quartet.
but he wasnt going to play. everyone knew that. even Dixon's mom.

that said, seeing as how the team has beefed up at almost every position (and could still add Honey Badger) ... if a QB is who the FO decides we need and the QB they decide is in the first round, while I'll be shocked that they pass on numerous other talented players, i'll hope that this is the next franchise QB.

that said, I'd believe Corral is the cream of this crop.

Though, between the four top QBs (Corral, Willis, Pickett and Ridder), there's not a clear cut favorite. I don't believe any of the four are "that guy".
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What do you like about Corral that stands out from the other guys? Chris Simms has him as the top QB as well. He has some good traits, I just didn't see anything special watching Ole Miss this year and I'm a bit concerned with his thin build.
 
Superman said:
Dixon was far and away the most talented of that quartet.
but he wasnt going to play. everyone knew that. even Dixon's mom.

that said, seeing as how the team has beefed up at almost every position (and could still add Honey Badger) ... if a QB is who the FO decides we need and the QB they decide is in the first round, while I'll be shocked that they pass on numerous other talented players, i'll hope that this is the next franchise QB.

that said, I'd believe Corral is the cream of this crop.

Though, between the four top QBs (Corral, Willis, Pickett and Ridder), there's not a clear cut favorite. I don't believe any of the four are "that guy".
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Corral has a quick release and is accurate and tough. Some things to like. Ridder has size and scrambling ability. A developmental type that could eventually flourish.

I prefer round 2 if they go that route. But the Steelers might have other ideas.
 
Steeltime said:
I have read four or five SN members say they don't want the Steelers to draft a CB at 20 because, "Look at their terrible history of drafting CB's." Okay, one 1st round pick in 23 years, whatever. So where are the same comments about drafting a QB under Mike Tomlin? Let's take a look, shall we?

2008: Dennis Dixon. Yeah, no.
2013: Landry Jones. Pass ... AND IT'S INTERCEPTED!
2017: Joshua Dobbs. Uhhh ... sure.
2018: Mason Rudolph. Dude is why the Steelers are desperate to draft a QB today.

Given that draft history, who thinks this current group of talent evaluators is to be trusted on evaluating QB talent? Four selections, one involving a trade to move up in the 3rd round, and four absolute duds.
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All of those guys were at least capable of playing in the nfl and only Rudolph was as high as a 3rd… the CB and S situation is far worse on both drafting guys that had no business being in the league at all, and high draft picks that were nothing but average guys…
 
To be fair Landry Jones was the most raw qb prospect I’ve ever seen… so i guess you have a point there

Dixon had the tools but wasn’t developed at all.. he bounced around practice squads for years after we moved on from him….

Dobbs actually is a good backup model, but we didn’t want him

Also most of is dont want them to take a qb this year at all… im not really sure if tgey can develop one really… but DB i know they are deficient at
 
I don’t care for the comparison for the simple fact that none of those QBs were drafted to be “The Guy”. Quite honestly, how do we know any one of those couldn’t have blossomed in a situation where they were the starter in a system that catered to their strengths. Yeah, yeah, probably not, but you never know.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
But not as much when you don't expect 3rd and 4th round guys to perform like Franchise DBs.
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FTFY.

That's my point. One first round CB selected in the past 23 drafts, most of the CB failures are 3rd round or lower, and we are surprised?
 
Steeltime said:
I have read four or five SN members say they don't want the Steelers to draft a CB at 20 because, "Look at their terrible history of drafting CB's." Okay, one 1st round pick in 23 years, whatever. So where are the same comments about drafting a QB under Mike Tomlin? Let's take a look, shall we?

2008: Dennis Dixon. Yeah, no.
2013: Landry Jones. Pass ... AND IT'S INTERCEPTED!
2017: Joshua Dobbs. Uhhh ... sure.
2018: Mason Rudolph. Dude is why the Steelers are desperate to draft a QB today.

Given that draft history, who thinks this current group of talent evaluators is to be trusted on evaluating QB talent? Four selections, one involving a trade to move up in the 3rd round, and four absolute duds.
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None of those were first round picks that were busts. They were all gambles and Ben kept playing. Now if we start cycling through first round QB busts we have drafted you will have a point.
 
Steeltime said:
I have read four or five SN members say they don't want the Steelers to draft a CB at 20 because, "Look at their terrible history of drafting CB's." Okay, one 1st round pick in 23 years, whatever. So where are the same comments about drafting a QB under Mike Tomlin? Let's take a look, shall we?

2008: Dennis Dixon. Yeah, no.
2013: Landry Jones. Pass ... AND IT'S INTERCEPTED!
2017: Joshua Dobbs. Uhhh ... sure.
2018: Mason Rudolph. Dude is why the Steelers are desperate to draft a QB today.

Given that draft history, who thinks this current group of talent evaluators is to be trusted on evaluating QB talent? Four selections, one involving a trade to move up in the 3rd round, and four absolute duds.
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Steeltime said:
FTFY.

That's my point. One first round CB selected in the past 23 drafts, most of the CB failures are 3rd round or lower, and we are surprised?
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My bad. I thought we were discussing QBs.
I agree with your second statement. If you don't invest serious "draft capital" in a position, you can't be surprised when your investments don't pay off.
 
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Huge difference. We have wasted 1st round picks on DBs under Tomlin and they have all failed. We have never drafted a QB #1 under Tomlin so it is apples to oranges. All the QBs drafted under Tomlin were backup quality the day they were drafted .
 
Huge difference. We have wasted 1st round picks on DBs under Tomlin and they have all failed. We have never drafted a QB #1 under Tomlin so it is apples to oranges. All the QBs drafted under Tomlin were backup quality the day they were drafted
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
Drafted 2 DB's . One a bust, the other is mediocre.
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Yep 2>O. We have whiffed on every DB we have taken regardless of round under Tomlin. I never wanna see him take a DB we do better trading for them .
 
Steeltime said:
FTFY.

That's my point. One first round CB selected in the past 23 drafts, most of the CB failures are 3rd round or lower, and we are surprised?
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The only All Pro DBs we’ve gotten in Colbert era have been through trades - Fitzpatrick & Polamalu

Always thought we needed to be more aggressive to get DBs , especially in current era
 
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