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This is the reason you do not tie up a HUGE PERCENTAGE of cap space with 2-3 players. When they play, and are on their game, great. when they have aged or are injured, you do not have the money to pay quality backups. I like Watt as much as the next guy, and believe he deserves all the money he can get. Unfortunately I think this contract will kill the team in years to come.
 
This is the reason you do not tie up a HUGE PERCENTAGE of cap space with 2-3 players. When they play, and are on their game, great. when they have aged or are injured, you do not have the money to pay quality backups. I like Watt as much as the next guy, and believe he deserves all the money he can get. Unfortunately I think this contract will kill the team in years to come.
Soooo....what's the alternative? To turn the Steelers into a middling major league baseball team and trade away any and all stars and potential stars, as soon as its gets close to the time when their contracts are up, and they'll expect a big payday?? Become a farm team for the rest of the league?

This is the NFL. If you want to have even a sniff of a chance of winning games, you need difference makers. If you want difference makers, you will have to pay them, handsomely
 
You pay gamebreakers like gamebreakers…. Next year the cap is expected to be around 208 million
The year after it will jump another 20 million and should jump about twenty million the next few years after…. Watts contract will be meh on a couple seasons
 
Matthew Stanford, Aaron Donald, J Ramsey, ……Rams looking good.
 
Did you notice how the Steelers didn't get a sack because a certain someone wasn't on the other side? He's getting paid based on impact and I'm sure the Bungles were relieved he wasn't there.
 
Name one great team that doesn't have at least 2 or 3 (and probably more) players being paid in the top 10 at their position. It is very, very rare. Most teams will pay their top rookies when their rookie contracts come up. I have no problem with the Watt signing. Coming up, I would have an issue pay Minkah at the top. He just isn't there in my eyes. Maybe pay him at the back end of the top 10 safeties but he is not the best and I don't think top 5. So, we really have no one else on the team to pay top dollar to. Bush isn't there yet. Maybe in 2 years he will be but right now, I'll take Schobert. We have no QB to pay. Najee will get top money in 4 years. I'd keep JuJu as I think he is our most dependable WR. He isn't a true No. 1 but I'd offer him a respectable contract to stay. He just gets open and makes firsts downs and blocks just like Hines did. Claypool and Diontae have a way to go before I pay them top dollar but I'd put Claypool ahead of Diontae. But we still have a couple years on both to decide. Heyward got 2 huge contracts from us on D. That is unusual, especially for the Steelers. I can see Watt getting the same if he is still playing at a high level at the end of this contract. He's the best OLB in the league.
 
Okay, so don’t pay Watt and have your defense generate zero pressure against one of the worst offensive lines in the league. That game was an example of exactly why you pay great players.
 
Watt makes everyone else on the defense look better. It's night and day when he's not in there.

I'd like to chastise the guy for not fully participating in the preseason and ending up with a groin injury, but it seems like half of his defensive teammates have had a similar issue, for some reason.
 
Unfortunately I think this contract will kill the team in years to come.
Nope, Ben retiring after this season will do that, and unless the FO seriously address the issues of the O-line, or they suddenly gel, the team is dead anyway. Haskins or Rudolph are not the answer, no QB in the '22 draft seems to be the answer, and I'm not sure even bringing in Jimmy G or Rogers would make much of a difference. However, you don't let the arguably best defensive player in the league walk. Addition by subtraction is never the answer.
 
This team will need a starting QB and at least one added starting OL. I think the others will improve enough that the OL with one addition and Banner back will be solid. The starting QB will be our biggest issue. I think we can win some games with Rudolph or maybe Haskins but not enough to be anywhere near contenders. I just hope it doesn't take as long to get our next franchise QB as it did the last time. If Colbert can pull that one off in the next couple of years, he should just retire and take his seat in the HOF.
 
Don’t get me wrong, I never said to NOT pay Watt, just that the ramifications of said contract NORMALLY reduces the possibility of having quality BU’s in a salary cap league.

Some have said we won’t have Ben’s Franchise QB contract, but we also won’t have a franchise QB without that cap hit. The best option is to catch lightning in a bottle during the Draft, but with the exception of Ben, they haven’t done that in decades, and I for one don’t hold out hope they will do it going forward. That means signing a proven Vet QB, and they demand Ben’s money too. So the argument of signing a mid tier QB but not a LB makes no sense.

Others talk of the cap increase each year, as a reason to spend big on a single player. That can be done, but EVERY new contract will need a portion of that space each year. That will just limit options.

Watt is a generational player at his position, and as such will command a top salary, as it should. While I do NOT want to see him go, I can’t help think that massive improvements could be made across the board with the trade results and money saved. I have always believed that having 3-4 top 15-20 players will yield better results than #1 and 2-3 30-50 players.
 
However, you don't let the arguably best defensive player in the league walk. Addition by subtraction is never the answer.
99 times out of 100, I would completely agree with you. Then I look back to the Herschel Walker trade.
 
Okay, so don’t pay Watt and have your defense generate zero pressure against one of the worst offensive lines in the league. That game was an example of exactly why you pay great players.
That is ASSUMING that any trade results and player acquisitions from the money saved are worthless.
 
You had to pay TJ, he's basically the only play maker on defense.

Call me crazy, but I'm very hesitant to give Minkah $20mil a year. He's just not a big difference maker on defense.
 
Watt makes everyone else on the defense look better. It's night and day when he's not in there.

I'd like to chastise the guy for not fully participating in the preseason and ending up with a groin injury, but it seems like half of his defensive teammates have had a similar issue, for some reason.
It’s probably the way they are conditioning throughout the week
 
They have better coaching




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No they don't. McVay was hot, then he sucked for a few years, now they got better talent and he is good again.

Talent makes coaches look good. The Steelers don't have enough of it. It's that simple. This is not a defense of Tomlin. Talent overcomes coaching I think more than we realize.
 
They have $11M of unused cap space currently. This isn't about 1 player. This is about a FO that wasn't prepared to lose DeCastro along with Pouncey and Villanueva, and of course piss poor coaching.
 
No they don't. McVay was hot, then he sucked for a few years, now they got better talent and he is good again.

Talent makes coaches look good. The Steelers don't have enough of it. It's that simple. This is not a defense of Tomlin. Talent overcomes coaching I think more than we realize.


Although I don't argue what you are saying because talent overcomes coaching in many ways, BEN vs Coach Tomlin is a great example What I was saying we have some very talented players as well and our coaching is doing nothing to help the less talentesd

Thus

They have better coaching trhan we.





Salute the nation
 
Although I don't argue what you are saying because talent overcomes coaching in many ways, BEN vs Coach Tomlin is a great example What I was saying we have some very talented players as well and our coaching is doing nothing to help the less talentesd

Thus

They have better coaching trhan we.





Salute the nation
We'll see. It's early. I am not a fan of McVay. Again, don't confuse this as a defense of the Steelers clown show.

I think one of the problems with the Steelers right now is their less talented players just don't seem to have the tough mentality the less talented players in the past did. To me, the Steelers need to reevaluate what they are looking for out of the "others" who will flesh out the roster.
 
1 guy can make a bunch of mediocre guys look much better than they would be without that 1 guy (Watt). So you don't want to pay the guy who deserves the money he's making?
Look how Horrible the defense looks without Watt

Look at how ****** the O-line and the run game looked after they didn't pay Bell?

1 guy can make everyone around them appear better.

While we are on the subject of keeping the talent happy
I'd take Antonio Brown over any of the WR on this team.

The right guy makes all the difference in the world, as we witnessed sunday.

Glad they didn't make that same mistake on Defense with the Watt contract

STARS don't come around very often, when you have them you pay them.

Or you get cheap like the Rooneys and suffer the consequences like Steeler fans have for the past few years
 
1 guy can make a bunch of mediocre guys look much better than they would be without that 1 guy (Watt). So you don't want to pay the guy who deserves the money he's making?
Look how Horrible the defense looks without Watt

Look at how ****** the O-line and the run game looked after they didn't pay Bell?

1 guy can make everyone around them appear better.

While we are on the subject of keeping the talent happy
I'd take Antonio Brown over any of the WR on this team.

The right guy makes all the difference in the world, as we witnessed sunday.

Glad they didn't make that same mistake on Defense with the Watt contract

STARS don't come around very often, when you have them you pay them.

Or you get cheap like the Rooneys and suffer the consequences like Steeler fans have for the past few years
A reminder the Steelers were going to pay Bell very well and he would've made a lot more staying in Pittsburgh than he did in New York. He's also been terrible since leaving the Steelers.

While talking about AB, it's a good reminder of how teams should be built and it starts in the trenches. Build a strong offensive line OR do whatever it takes to get a potential franchise QB. Once these two areas are in place, then bring in a star receiver whether it is a UFA or a top pick in the draft. The premium players in this league are QB, OT, EDGE, CB, and WR has joined this group.
 
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