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South China Sea - Time to start calling bluffs

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Speaking to a small group of reporters in Beijing on Thursday, a high-ranking Chinese official made his warning clear: The United States should not provoke China in the South China Sea without expecting retaliation.

"The Chinese people do not want to have war, so we will be opposed to [the] U.S. if it stirs up any conflict," said Liu Zhenmin, vice minister of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. "Of course, if the Korean War or Vietnam War are replayed, then we will have to defend ourselves."

The so-called "nine-dash line" that China has drawn over most of the South China Sea — a gargantuan territorial claim that stretches about 1,200 miles from its shores — would give Beijing control over a zone that's estimated to handle about half of global merchant shipping, a third of the planet's oil shipping, two-thirds of global liquid natural gas shipments, and more than a 10th of Earth's fish catch. The Obama administration, backed by several Asian governments and entities such as the Brookings Institution, argues that such massive ocean claims at great distance from land are "inconsistent with international law."

China has a growing military presence in the region, including the wholesale raising of islands and construction of airfields on what were once atolls. The U.S. Navy operates there as well, increasingly in concert with regional powers such as the Philippines. Two Chinese fighter jets on Tuesday intercepted and passed within 50 feet of a U.S. military reconnaissance plane.

more at - http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/19/chin...stirs-up-any-conflict-in-south-china-sea.html

Yes, I am saying it is time to engage. We give a public warning that if this happens again, we will shoot them down. And then if it happens again, we shoot them down. We flood the area and prepare for war. See who backs down.

Of course, we need a President with some balls, maybe a little unpredictable, to make this work.
 
China is expanding their military, but they really have bigger problems than engineering new islands and claiming those in dispute with the Phillips and Vietnam.

Their economy is a huge mess. Unlike the USA, most of the investors are private, not commercial based. Their average person lost much of their net worth. Their market has crashed a few times leading the government to freeze trading on some days.

Air pollution remains an issue. People have to wear masks at times. They have what's called blue sky days, which are days when the sky is Blue.

But back to their sea, the Chinese Navy is green, and who cares if they have a few bases near their coastline. It would be better to focus on space. Obama has pulled back the reigns, and China is passing us in this department.
 
Everything you need to know about the South China Sea conflict

1. Whose South China Sea is it, anyway?

China’s claim to the South China Sea is based in history, dating back to records from the Xia and Han dynasties. China delineates its claims via the nine-dash line, which Chiang Kai Shek advanced in 1947. During China’s republican era, China surveyed, mapped and named 291 islands and reefs in the region.

2. Why does China want to control the South China Sea?

Control of the South China Sea would allow China to dominate a major trade route through which most of its imported oil flows. It would also allow China to disrupt, or threaten to disrupt, trade shipments to all countries in East and Southeast Asia — as well as deny access to foreign military forces, particularly the United States.

The floor of the South China Sea may contain massive oil and natural gas reserves. Sovereignty over the region could give China a level of energy security and independence far beyond what it currently possesses.

3. Who has built what?

Island building in the South China Sea, and construction on existing islands, has been going on for decades, primarily by Vietnam and the Philippines, which have claimed 21 and eight islands, respectively. Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines have all stationed military forces on at least some of their islands, but Vietnam, in accordance with UNCLOS regulation, has not put troops on what it calls “floating islands” — those constructed on submerged sandbars, reefs and other land masses.

China has come late to the island building game, but its efforts have been on a scale never before seen in the region. In the last 18 months, China has reportedly constructed more new island surface than all other nations have constructed throughout history.

4. What is the U.S. response to the dispute?

The United States had virtually no response to previous building by Southeast Asian countries in the South China Sea, but has vigorously opposed China’s efforts. The U.S. Navy has operated continuously in the region since World War Two and, according to Defense Secretary Ash Carter, has every intention of continuing to do so.

5. What should the world expect next?

The dispute between the United States and China is likely to escalate to some degree. U.S. Pacific Command planners are preparing to sail and fly within 12 nautical miles of areas that China claims as sovereign territory. The USS Fort Worth and a P-8 surveillance aircraft have already operated close by, and while China objected, it did not take hostile action.

However, China has stated that it will defend what it considers its territorial limit. If the Chinese government blinks, it could suffer domestically due to the loss of face for the Communist Party. If the United States wavers, it will risk perpetuating the impression, among U.S. partners and allies, that it lacks resolve in light of its policy in the Middle East, Iraq and Ukraine.

The stakes are high for both sides, as is the risk of a miscalculation. The United States is marshaling major allies in the region to take a role, in the hope that the combined weight of U.S., Japanese and Australian forces will give China pause.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...uth-china-sea-conflict-in-under-five-minutes/

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WWIII


Just what Hillary wants, endless war for her military industrial complex corporate masters.
 
If the United States wavers, it will risk perpetuating the impression, among U.S. partners and allies, that it lacks resolve in light of its policy in the Middle East, Iraq and Ukraine.

that's bullshit. Bomma said so.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...obama-–-prepared-delivery-state-union-address
TheBigO said:
I told you earlier all the talk of America’s economic decline is political hot air. Well, so is all the rhetoric you hear about our enemies getting stronger and America getting weaker. Let me tell you something. The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. (Applause.) Period. It’s not even close. It's not even close. (Applause.) It's not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined. Our troops are the finest fighting force in the history of the world. (Applause.) No nation attacks us directly, or our allies, because they know that’s the path to ruin. Surveys show our standing around the world is higher than when I was elected to this office, and when it comes to every important international issue, people of the world do not look to Beijing or Moscow to lead -- they call us. (Applause.)
 
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Let China have the South China Sea - I don't care. Let them rape all of Japan and Asia, I don't care.

We should be teaming up with Russia and China and rule the world!

**** all those little countries that don't do **** for us.
 
nobody cares what the sissy thinks anymore, the world is laughing at him


Obama Is Too Weak to Confront the Islamic State Group | US News

A Weak Leader and a Deadly Threat

Defeating the Islamic State group will take leadership of courage, something Obama doesn’t have.

http://www.usnews.com/news/the-repo...-too-weak-to-confront-the-islamic-state-group

Bomma doesn't really give a crap. His job was to bring Socialized medicine and move Socialism in general to the U.S. and kick any other problems down the road for the next President to deal with.
 
I remember when another Tin-Horn Dictator tried to claim more than the recognized 12 mile international limit. They got their ***** handed to them. But we had a leader that would not stand for that **** at the time.
 
China is the problem? Hardly. Who are they invading and occupying? Who are they threatening to do so? The US is akin to Germany circa 1941. We invade sovereign nations on a bed of lies to steal natural resources, including poppies to ensure the heroin trade is going gangbusters on the streets of the US. China is making deals with agreements, not bullets and bombs. Our military budget dwarfs theirs. China may not be a basket of kittens, but they sure as **** ain't the ones starts wars all over the globe - America is. What a bunch of total bull ****.
 
China is the problem? Hardly. Who are they invading and occupying? Who are they threatening to do so? The US is akin to Germany circa 1941. We invade sovereign nations on a bed of lies to steal natural resources, including poppies to ensure the heroin trade is going gangbusters on the streets of the US. China is making deals with agreements, not bullets and bombs. Our military budget dwarfs theirs. China may not be a basket of kittens, but they sure as **** ain't the ones starts wars all over the globe - America is. What a bunch of total bull ****.

Somebody didn't read the article and doesn't know the importance of freedom of navigation and commerce, China claiming half the shipping lanes in the world is a problem totally unrelated to the problem of going off half cocked over terrorism.
 
I remember when another Tin-Horn Dictator tried to claim more than the recognized 12 mile international limit. They got their ***** handed to them. But we had a leader that would not stand for that **** at the time.

as soon as Moose is done peeing in NC, Bomma will tighten his skirt, pick up his pen and phone and deal with the Chinese.
 
Somebody didn't read the article and doesn't know the importance of freedom of navigation and commerce, China claiming half the shipping lanes in the world is a problem totally unrelated to the problem of going off half cocked over terrorism.

None of the recent wars were truly about terrorism; that was just the lies they fed us. I got best friends who toured in Iraq, and, even though they didn't know at the time they were over there, they now know all the reasons given for the invasion are 100% bull ****. My one buddy runs a VA office and he tells me 90% of those who were in Iraq feel we were lied to on why we invaded. Same with Afg. My point is some are fretting over China claiming shipping lanes, while our country is slaughtering, bombing, invading and occupying sovereign nations that has nothing to do with making the US safer, other than making the bankers, energy companies and industrial military complex profits safer. What China is doing pales in comparison to the evil the US is spreading.
 
oh good. POP is here to tell DBS all about the Mid-East.

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oh good. POP is here to tell DBS all about the Mid-East.

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Exciting enough to make me unblock that shitheel? I mean, the other shitheel. You made me read the last post full of bullshit, why would I want to read more?
 
dude, DBS knows where you live. we talk about him via text. not on the board. now stop sending me private messages.
oh.
 
None of the recent wars were truly about terrorism; that was just the lies they fed us. I got best friends who toured in Iraq, and, even though they didn't know at the time they were over there, they now know all the reasons given for the invasion are 100% bull ****. My one buddy runs a VA office and he tells me 90% of those who were in Iraq feel we were lied to on why we invaded. Same with Afg. My point is some are fretting over China claiming shipping lanes, while our country is slaughtering, bombing, invading and occupying sovereign nations that has nothing to do with making the US safer, other than making the bankers, energy companies and industrial military complex profits safer. What China is doing pales in comparison to the evil the US is spreading.

Iraq was a mistake. Afghanistan not so much. But that isn't the issue here. The issue is China claiming a swath of navigable waters that most of the commerce in the world passes through. They are currently attempting to upgrade their navy and soon they will get to the point where they will be demanding tribute from their neighbors and all shipping that transits those waters.
 
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