Speculation on the TJ extension contract ???

[stillwright]

I’m going to be the ***-hole that says this. But I’m a big boy. I can take the heat. And this has nothing at all to do with Tomlin.

Payoff games where Watt and the defense did absolutely anything: 0 out of 4.

One of the top paid players in the league has been average at the very best in his playoff appearances.
I say this with TJ being my favorite player on this team.

I would say Watt has been out schemed. A lot of that is on our HC. It just is what it is.

Years of tape of us just doing the same thing over and over. Against weaker teams you can get away with it. Against the best teams.....not so much.

 

[Steelmann]

I would say Watt has been out schemed. A lot of that is on our HC. It just is what it is.

Years of tape of us just doing the same thing over and over. Against weaker teams you can get away with it. Against the best teams.....not so much.

Every superstar pass rusher gets double and triple teamed. Every star running back has the box stacked against him. The excuses made for our players are ridiculous. A superstar rises above. Watt has not risen above anything even close in a playoff game.
And of course schemes matter.
I guess also “ against weaker teams” or players you can get multiple sacks. Against the “best teams” or players…not so much.
And if you think this is in defense of our coaching staff…..nice try.
Our players should be held accountable as well. I mean did you watch our Defense the last 4 playoff games? They were a joke.

 

[stillwright]

Every superstar pass rusher gets double and triple teamed. Every star running back has the box stacked against him. The excuses made for our players are ridiculous. A superstar rises above. Watt has not risen above anything even close in a playoff game.
And of course schemes matter.
I guess also “ against weaker teams” or players you can get multiple sacks. Against the “best teams” or players…not so much.
And if you think this is in defense of our coaching staff…..nice try.
Our players should be held accountable as well. I mean did you watch our Defense the last 4 playoff games? They were a joke.

Scheme and game planning go a long way. Something we are not very good at.

 

[steelhurt]

Watt I believe went missing in action the last six games of the season not registering a sack. Thats alarming for a player going on 31 and entering the last year of his current contract. I like TJ but I’m skeptical about paying him 40 million per season at his age. Parsons and Garrett I believe are three years younger which matters. I just hope he doesn’t hit a wall. If the return value was right I would consider a trade that could really help rebuild here and would like to see him traded to a contender like the Packers or Washington.

 

[Steelr4evr]

If they were smart they would trade him. They aren't..... so they won't.

Our elite players don't give home town discounts when we resign or extend them. We usually make them the top paid player at their position. Watt will probably get that again this time around also.

Playoff games won with Watt: 0
Playoff record with Watt: 0 - 4

Tomlinship's won with Watt: 8

Yes,but the most important no losing season record would have certainly fallen multiple times without TJ.

That's abundantly clear. I'm pretty certain that's the goal this year by chasing after Rodgers, who is just a one year rental if signed.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Scheme and game planning go a long way. Something we are not very good at.

The Achilles heel of this team and why they will continue failing in spectacularly painful fashion.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

It's not how Watt finished 2024 as much as it is how bad the entire DL finished 2024. If you are going to rush only 2 DL and 2 small OLB's, you will get eaten alive. I saw a thing earlier today about the names for D's in NFL history. Of course, the Steelers had The Steel Curtain and then Blitzburgh. If you think about it, Cowher and LeBeau created Blitzburgh and Tomlin destroyed it with his 2 DL approach that has only gotten exposed more as the years go by. I sure hope they don't reach in the 1st for a QB and take one of the top DL that will still be available. Grant, Harmon, or Nolen would be great additions to the DL.

Mike Tomlin and his 2DL base nickel appropriated for any and all occasions from short yardage to 3rd and 15 which gets carved up in both (as well as other yardages in between) is “Swissburgh”

There’s so many holes in his POS defense can’t call it anything else.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I’m going to be the ***-hole that says this. But I’m a big boy. I can take the heat. And this has nothing at all to do with Tomlin.

Payoff games where Watt and the defense did absolutely anything: 0 out of 4.

One of the top paid players in the league has been average at the very best in his playoff appearances.
I say this with TJ being my favorite player on this team.

Well Big Boy…

Could the D sucking be a product of an idiot coach employing moronic schemes? (that’s a rhetorical question)

We’ve seen the “schemes” and they blow!
The human hurdle to success gets out coached in every playoff game and sets his players up for failure. You can’t fix stupid and he’s a heaping helping of STUPID.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Watt I believe went missing in action the last six games of the season not registering a sack. Thats alarming for a player going on 31 and entering the last year of his current contract. I like TJ but I’m skeptical about paying him 40 million per season at his age. Parsons and Garrett I believe are three years younger which matters. I just hope he doesn’t hit a wall. If the return value was right I would consider a trade that could really help rebuild here and would like to see him traded to a contender like the Packers or Washington.

Simply bad cap management to pay him if you allow the moron HC to deploy him as he does.

He went 3-4 games down that stretch without even a tackle (not a single stat on the stat sheet)

He faces the highest chip rate in the entire league and is always lined up at the same spot… even a slightly stupid coach could figure out what’s going on…it takes a complete bull headed moron to be as oblivious as Tomlin is to the situation.

I swear I feel like we’re being punked by Rooney at this point. Dude can not be serious!

 

[Drink IRON City]

I would say Watt has been out schemed. A lot of that is on our HC. It just is what it is.

Years of tape of us just doing the same thing over and over. Against weaker teams you can get away with it. Against the best teams.....not so much.

Even the weaker teams are becoming able to scheme TJ out of the game. The tape is out, block / chip / delay, is all that’s needed.

I’m curious to see what his extension $$money$$ will be. What will it take monetarily to keep him and for how long.

I do think this will be TJ’s last contract as a STEELERS player. There may be one more more friendly contract similar to the Cam deal.



Salute the nation

 

[Steelr4evr]

Mike Tomlin and his 2DL base nickel appropriated for any and all occasions from short yardage to 3rd and 15 which gets carved up in both (as well as other yardages in between) is “Swissburgh”

There’s so many holes in his POS defense can’t call it anything else.

They'll trot that horseshit out next year as well. And it will fail again as it always does.

 

[Steelmann]

Well Big Boy…

Could the D sucking be a product of an idiot coach employing moronic schemes? (that’s a rhetorical question)

We’ve seen the “schemes” and they blow!
The human hurdle to success gets out coached in every playoff game and sets his players up for failure. You can’t fix stupid and he’s a heaping helping of STUPID.

Well Fiji I’ve said on here a hundred times they’ve been out schemed since January 8 2012. And I would have dumped him the next day. That being said. I also believe in player accountability. Even the popular players.

 

[MT~Forged]

Every superstar pass rusher gets double and triple teamed. Every star running back has the box stacked against him. The excuses made for our players are ridiculous. A superstar rises above. Watt has not risen above anything even close in a playoff game.

I agree with you to an extent. Tomlin’s D “scheme” works more often than not against equally or less skilled teams, but does not work against playoff calibre teams

And of course schemes matter.
I guess also “ against weaker teams” or players you can get multiple sacks. Against the “best teams” or players…not so much.
And if you think this is in defense of our coaching staff…..nice try.
Our players should be held accountable as well. I mean did you watch our Defense the last 4 playoff games? They were a joke.

Players are responsible for their play, but should not be held responsible for failing game plans. Who actually believes that Watt all of a sudden decided to continually tackle a RB all game whether he had the ball or not? Calling that a player “failure” is 100% wrong.

 

[insaniti]

Well Fiji I’ve said on here a hundred times they’ve been out schemed since January 8 2012. And I would have dumped him the next day. That being said. I also believe in player accountability. Even the popular players.

And you can have player accountability, that is fine. But when it comes to certain things, like TJ being in the same spot, and constantly being chipped and doubled...it wears a player down. And scheme can help alleviate a lot of that. Then there's the obvious things like, the playoff game where they had TJ crash down on the RB no matter what. Balt picked up on it early and took advantage of that, and there was no adjustment made...again, scheme.

So, if TJ was out there loafing, because he knew he wasn't going to get thru the chip and double, that's one thing. But he never quit, and was always out there giving everything he had. At the end of the season, it just wasn't that much. It's like Tomlin forgot what a stunt was.

And I know he went several games without a stat recorded, but he had a few that didn't count due to penalty as well, and he drew a couple holding penalties. It's not like he wasn't impacting the game at all. It just didn't show on the stat sheet. The one thing about TJ is he is RARELY out of position on his own merit. But when TJ is getting ALL of this attention, that's when I question what Highsmith, Heyward, and Herbig are doing on the other side. All that attention leads to one on one situations for the other guys, where were they?

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Well Fiji I’ve said on here a hundred times they’ve been out schemed since January 8 2012. And I would have dumped him the next day. That being said. I also believe in player accountability. Even the popular players.

Agreed

Plenty of blame to go around from Owner (keeping Tomlin) to the HC (for still not learning 18 years in) to the players (don’t even know assignments as simple as they are) to fans (for still spending the $$$-all Art Nutting cares about)

Ope- I forgot the blame that goes down to that dang oblong ball itself (for not bouncing the right way)

 

[Drink IRON City]

I agree 100% that ALL players need to be held accountable.

Buying into and executing the scheme is the accountability. That “scheme” is where the hinderance is the source of contention. That scheme is what puts many players in a position to lose, opposite of what scheming should do.

Many talk about a chess match where Coach Tomlin is playing checkers, that is the base of reality. That example of TJ tackling the RB, empty or not, with no adjustments through the entire game. You could see it in TJ’s eyes and body language that he understood the gravity of stupidity of that whole scheme.

Holding a player accountable to effort / conditioning / media handling / team privacy item / etc. are all worthy accountability, BUT not the make up of the scheme as that is not the player’s doing.

Big question is “will any of that scheme change this upcoming season”

Two letter answer “NO”.



Salute the nation

 

[Badcat]

I agree 100% that ALL players need to be held accountable.

Buying into and executing the scheme is the accountability. That “scheme” is where the hinderance is the source of contention. That scheme is what puts many players in a position to lose, opposite of what scheming should do.

Many talk about a chess match where Coach Tomlin is playing checkers, that is the base of reality. That example of TJ tackling the RB, empty or not, with no adjustments through the entire game. You could see it in TJ’s eyes and body language that he understood the gravity of stupidity of that whole scheme.

Holding a player accountable to effort / conditioning / media handling / team privacy item / etc. are all worthy accountability, BUT not the make up of the scheme as that is not the player’s doing.

Big question is “will any of that scheme change this upcoming season”

Two letter answer “NO”.



Salute the nation

Even the Browns move Garrett around. Yeah, THE BROWNS coaching staff is better scheming on defense than the Steelers IMO.

 

[steel dino]

If TJ and the team finished strong or even competitive with the big dogs, I would agree to a long term deal ..

But those things obviously did not happen, especially in regards to TJs performance..I know double and triple teams..whatever,?I watched him get handled many times one on one last year..

Time to cut bait with him and others..
All the Steelers need to do is look no further than across town at PPG arena as to what can happen when you mire in mediocrity year after year with aging highly paid personnel..

 

[Coryea]

Alot of it is scheme, and not all guys are chipped and doubled like Watt, James Harrison was never chipped, then doubled constantly, it happens to him because we allow it to happen. Same with Minkah, we trade for him, allow him to play close to the box, and the guy is a great playmaker, now Tomlin puts him at centerfield and look at his numbers, hard to blame Minkah.
Now Watt gets all the attention from the other team, and we do 0 to help him, no blitzing to force teams to not dedicate so much help to Watt, no moving him around, just same thing every time. Look at the last playoff game, Tomlin told Watt to just go after Henry every play no matter what. I can't even begin to think of what Watt's number's would look like in LeBeau's defense.
Watch his highlights this season, first half teams didn't double him nearly as much and he killed them.