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Steelers have 2 of the most underrated draft picks of 2019 Draft: NFL Insider

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Bobby Bufford said:
DJ dropped 57 catchable balls? Gee whiz, that's a red flag. You can't drop the ball that much in the NFL and keep your job. Ask Sweed.
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are you even capable of reading?

in 2017, when Logan Woodside was throwing him the football, Johnson had the fourth-highest receiving grade in college football. He's a precise route runner and one of the best after-the-catch threats in the draft.
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Bobby Bufford said:
DJ dropped 57 catchable balls? Gee whiz, that's a red flag. You can't drop the ball that much in the NFL and keep your job. Ask Sweed.
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8 drops on 57 catchable balls, not 57 drops. Still, that is 14%. They make a point, in the article to mention the QB who was throwing those balls. Not sure whey they mention the QB, but to note that the QB was crappy. However, if they were "catchable balls", seems like it doesn't matter who threw it.

It was an insider article, so I couldn't read the rest.
 
From Logan to a scrub, I am not concerned about those drops................
 
Original Poster.......... Thanks for posting but not many of us here are subscribed to that site. COULD you post the two STEELERS involved??????? Also, thanks for the effort.





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Bobby Bufford said:
DJ dropped 57 catchable balls? Gee whiz, that's a red flag. You can't drop the ball that much in the NFL and keep your job. Ask Sweed.
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Wow, reading comprehension not your strong suit huh?

Joe
 
If the dude had actually dropped 57 balls over his collegiate career I would venture to say he wouldn't have been drafted at all. By anyone.
 
ark steel said:
8 drops on 57 catchable balls, not 57 drops. Still, that is 14%. They make a point, in the article to mention the QB who was throwing those balls. Not sure whey they mention the QB, but to note that the QB was crappy. However, if they were "catchable balls", seems like it doesn't matter who threw it.
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I just read that he had 12 drops in 2017 with Whiteside as his QB. I'm not sure what the % dropped is but that is concerning. I'm thinking Cope correctly called it when he said he was worried about this kid's hands.
 
12 drops and 74 catches the year before is about 6%. Add in 100 or so returns and have only 2 fumbles for a loss in his career. To me suggests he’s got pretty good hands.
 
CorpusDsteelers said:
12 drops and 74 catches the year before is about 6%. Add in 100 or so returns and have only 2 fumbles for a loss in his career. To me suggests he’s got pretty good hands.
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That is about 14% or close to one drop in every 7 passes... not a very good number and a huge concern. I like the only two fumbles lost number though. Hands can be trained, so I hope he has a great work ethic.
 
ark steel said:
8 drops on 57 catchable balls, not 57 drops. Still, that is 14%. They make a point, in the article to mention the QB who was throwing those balls. Not sure whey they mention the QB, but to note that the QB was crappy. However, if they were "catchable balls", seems like it doesn't matter who threw it.

It was an insider article, so I couldn't read the rest.
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I think that statistics like this can be very subjective. How are they determining catchable balls ? Within the catch radius of the receiver by his size? Does it take into account being crowded by the CB/S on contested balls some people call 50/50 balls ? Weather conditions ?
As far as mentioning the QB, I think that can have a drastic effect on drops. I think I would catch more throws from Drew Brees than I would say from Josh Allen simply because of proficiency of the passer. Brees can consistently hit tight windows, throw a receiver open and put the right amount of touch on the ball for the type of pass he is attempting to complete. Guys that have an NFL strength arm but who only know one way to sling it make it harder to bring in a pass at the outskirts of your catch radius. Do you think that might have been in the back of AB's mind along with the weather conditions and of course, it is Buffalo.
Dontae Johnson impressed enough to get drafted higher than most would have thought he would go. I am going to wait and see how he responds with Ben throwing to him before I start worrying about his hands. Fumbling the ball away once he has it would be a greater concern to me or if he just gives up on throws and doesn't fight to make the catch.
 
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Paul G said:
As far as mentioning the QB, I think that can have a drastic effect on drops. I think I would catch more throws from Drew Brees than I would say from Josh Allen simply because of proficiency of the passer. Brees can consistently hit tight windows, throw a receiver open and put the right amount of touch on the ball for the type of pass he is attempting to complete. Guys that have an NFL strength arm but who only know one way to sling it make it harder to bring in a pass at the outskirts of your catch radius. Do you think that might have been in the back of AB's mind along with the weather conditions and of course, it is Buffalo.
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I suppose the ball could be technically considered "catchable" even if it was a wobbly dud that you'd need stick um to hold on to?
 
Steelworth said:
I just read that he had 12 drops in 2017 with Whiteside as his QB. I'm not sure what the % dropped is but that is concerning. I'm thinking Cope correctly called it when he said he was worried about this kid's hands.
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Lmob0621 said:
That is about 14% or close to one drop in every 7 passes... not a very good number and a huge concern. I like the only two fumbles lost number though. Hands can be trained, so I hope he has a great work ethic.
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Yes, about 14% presuming that all 74 of his actual catches were also determined to be "catchable" or if he made some outstanding play to make some of those catches. otherwise, higher than 14%, which seems inordinately high.
 
ark steel said:
I suppose the ball could be technically considered "catchable" even if it was a wobbly dud that you'd need stick um to hold on to?
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where is Mr Stick um himself , Fred Biletnikoff when you need a ruling on a catchable ball ?
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Apparently no one can read.:nod:
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Apparently, when you click on the article you can see one of them is Diontae Johnsom............ Then the subscriber add blocks the rest...................... So I thought maybe, JUST maybe he could list the two candidates................and while you were posting this, just to be a NICE poster,.......... Maybe you could have posted the two candidates................. Hmmmm................................... Posting "subscriber" articles is great but NOT all here subscribe SO maybe the OP COULD HAVE PUT THE MINIMAL information in his post,.. You know,..... Such as the TWO UNDERATED CANDIDATEs................




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bornafan said:
I don't have ESPN Insider access. Who was the second Steeler referenced and can you post that commentary? Thanks...
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Okay for guys that don't have ESPN Insider...I din't realize not many have it, I am hooked on it....It is mandatory for me @ $4.99 a month. I hate clicking and not seeing a full article. Yeah, they get me each month


Pick No. 66: Diontae Johnson, WR, Pittsburgh Steelers
Johnson was one of the college football's most electric players, leading the nation with a 19.9-yard punt return average his last two seasons. The Toledo product had some drop issues this past season (eight drops on 57 catchable targets), but in 2017, when Logan Woodside was throwing him the football, Johnson had the fourth-highest receiving grade in college football. He's a precise route runner and one of the best after-the-catch threats in the draft.


Pick No. 83: Justin Layne, CB, Pittsburgh Steelers
Layne is long (6-foot-1, with 33-inch arms), explosive (an 11-foot-4 broad jump), productive (12 pass breakups in 2018) and has exceptional zone instincts. Layne's 89.5 coverage grade as a junior this past season was terrific, considering he switched from wide receiver to cornerback midway through his freshman season at Michigan State.
 
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