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Supreme Court's Presidential immunity ruling

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Welcome to the July 1, 2024 edition of "Legal Studies with Steeltime." Today we focus on the Supreme Court's 6-3 ruling holding that the President of the United States is immune from prosecution for any crimes in the course of his or her official duties. The court's ruling explains that the immunity stems from the separation of powers doctrine and the very long-established rule that the President, the holder of the Executive Branch, must be free to act as he or she feels appropriate in exercising such authority, without fear of civil or criminal prosecution for exercising such Constitutional powers. This review was necessitated by the United States District Court's determination that President Trump had no immunity for any of the actions alleged by the state of Georgia in its indictment of Trump for conspiracy to interfere with the 2020 election.

The Supreme Court explained that the District Court improperly rejected the immunity argument with no actual analysis. The Supreme Court persuasively noted that the process is the punishment for a lot of the allegations against President Trump: "Even if the President were ultimately not found liable for certain official actions, the possibility of an extended proceeding alone may render him “unduly cautious in the discharge of his official duties.” Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U. S., at 752, n. 32. Vulnerability “‘to the burden of a trial and to the inevitable danger of its outcome, would dampen the ardor of all but the most resolute.’” Id., at 752–753, n. 32.

The Supreme Court explained that a President has absolute immunity for any actions that are within the "core functions" of the Executive branch and held that several of the allegations in the Georgia indictment fall under this absolute immunity:

The Framers accordingly vested the President with “supervisory and policy responsibilities of utmost discretion and sensitivity.” Fitzgerald, 457 U. S., at 750. He must make “the most sensitive and far-reaching decisions entrusted to any official under our constitutional system.” Id., at 752. There accordingly “exists the greatest public interest” in providing the President with “‘the maximum ability to deal fearlessly and impartially with’ the duties of his office.” Ibid. (quoting Ferri v. Ackerman, 444 U. S. 193, 203 (1979)). Appreciating the “unique risks to the effective functioning of government” that arise when the President’s energies are diverted by proceedings that might render him “unduly cautious in the discharge of his official duties,” we have recognized Presidential immunities and privileges “rooted in the constitutional tradition of the separation of powers and supported by our history.” Fitzgerald, 457 U. S., at 749, 751, 752, n. 32. In Nixon v. Fitzgerald, for instance, we recognized that as “a functionally mandated incident of [his] unique office,” a former President “is entitled to absolute immunity from damages liability predicated on his official acts.” Id., at 749.

The immunity applies without limit to the President's "conclusive and preclusive authority," including recognizing foreign nations, prosecutions by the Justice Dept., executing wartime powers and decisions as Commander-in-Chief, and hiring-and-firing personnel under the President's authority, including members of the Cabinet. The allegations in the indictment that Trump threatened to fire the head of the DOJ or demanded investigation of voter fraud - two of the purported "illegal activities" identified in the indictment - are therefore subject to absolute immunity.

The disagreement on the particular allegations goes to the extent to which immunity applies for actions that are not per se within the Executive Branch's Constitutional authority but instead involve actions that are Executive in nature but not necessarily solely the province of the President. Such actions include matters where the President and Congress share power (appointment of Federal judges, representing the position of the United States on domestic and foreign matters, demanding action by the Justice Dept. favorable to the President, ordering Executive branch officials to act in a way beneficial to the President, making statements to the public about important issues including those involving contested elections), then the question is whether or not the action falls under the "outer reaches" of Executive function.

The Supreme Court suggested that a number of specific actions identified in the indictment - the demand that Pence intercede in the electoral process, tweets to the public about the protest - are almost certainly immune from prosecution but need to be investigated by the District Court before appellate review. In all likelihood, these allegations are presumptively within the "outer reaches" of Executive function and thereby immune.

The District Court will be tasked with reviewing the allegations under the Supreme Court's directives, keeping in mind that presumptions for immunity weigh in favor of finding immunity to preserve the Executive Branch's ability to do its job without fear of being hunted down and prosecuted later by a political adversary for official actions. The Supreme Court addressed the teeth-gnashing and screams of outrage by the dissent as well:

Like everyone else, the President is subject to prosecution in his unofficial capacity. But unlike anyone else, the President is a branch of government, and the Constitution vests in him sweeping powers and duties. Accounting for that reality—and ensuring that the President may exercise those powers forcefully, as the Framers anticipated he would—does not place him above the law; it preserves the basic structure of the Constitution from which that law derives.

The dissents’ positions in the end boil down to ignoring the Constitution’s separation of powers and the Court’s precedent and instead fear mongering on the basis of extreme hypotheticals about a future where the President “feels empowered to violate federal criminal law.” Post, at 18 (opinion of SOTOMAYOR, J.); see post, at 26, 29–30; post, at 8–9, 10, 12, 16, 20–21 (opinion of JACKSON, J.). The dissents overlook the more likely prospect of an Executive Branch that cannibalizes itself, with each successive President free to prosecute his predecessors, yet unable to boldly and fearlessly carry out his duties for fear that he may be next.

Here is the complete decision. It is pretty easy to understand - and should give Biden some solace in the fact he cannot be prosecuted for murdering 10 innocent Afghani civilians, including 7 children, in some inane, idiotic effort to divert attention from his criminal misconduct in the Afghanistan withdrawal.

 
So a sitting pres, let’s just say sleepy could have military off Trump. And he good?

Apparently. Bill and Hillary got away with offing people.

But seriously no. That would have nothing to do with the duties of a president.
If the president made a decision related to his executive duties that caused harm, or death then he would not be held liable.
Like if he ordered a hit on a terrorist which resulted in innocents being killed, he would not be held accountable.... like what Obama did.

Hell, they could have gone after Bush when they found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
 
So a sitting pres, let’s just say sleepy could have military off Trump. And he good?
Hmmm bumping off or jailing political opponents. How very communist dictator.


I wonder if that would be enough for people to do more than *****.
 
So a sitting pres, let’s just say sleepy could have military off Trump. And he good?
Predictably, Libs on social media are calling on Biden to assassinate Trump and half the Supreme Court because it's all good now.
And they call us Facists.

 
So a sitting pres, let’s just say sleepy could have military off Trump. And he good?

That is the inane hypothetical posed by Sotomayor in the dissent.

Exactly which "official duty" of the United States President involves murdering citizens without a trial? Other than Obama droning an American citizen, I mean.
 
Apparently. Bill and Hillary got away with offing people.

But seriously no. That would have nothing to do with the duties of a president.

Yep. You pass Legal Logic 101, Stewey.

If the president made a decision related to his executive duties that caused harm, or death then he would not be held liable.
Like if he ordered a hit on a terrorist which resulted in innocents being killed, he would not be held accountable.... like what Obama did.

And Biden when he killed 10 Afghani civilians, including 7 children, based on the phony claim that the guy (and the little kids I guess) were terrorists involved in the Bagram bombing. Of course, the guy and his kids had nothing to do with that bombing, but **** happens, and Biden kills 10 innocent people.

Hell, they could have gone after Bush when they found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

Yep. How many hundreds of thousands died based on that lie? And who exactly was held to account and jailed for the massive fraud?
 
That is the inane hypothetical posed by Sotomayor in the dissent.

Exactly which "official duty" of the United States President involves murdering citizens without a trial? Other than Obama droning an American citizen, I mean.
Actually nothing has changed, it's just been codified and that was because the Dims forced it to court.
 
Yep. You pass Legal Logic 101, Stewey.



And Biden when he killed 10 Afghani civilians, including 7 children, based on the phony claim that the guy (and the little kids I guess) were terrorists involved in the Bagram bombing. Of course, the guy and his kids had nothing to do with that bombing, but **** happens, and Biden kills 10 innocent people.



Yep. How many hundreds of thousands died based on that lie? And who exactly was held to account and jailed for the massive fraud?
Osama Bin Laden.

Maybe. We'll never know for sure since the body was completely destroyed and thrown into the ocean.
 
Osama Bin Laden.

Maybe. We'll never know for sure since the body was completely destroyed and thrown into the ocean.
Yeah no.

Bin Laden was an armed combatant actively engaged in waging war against the USA. His death would be more like when a BN or BDE Commander is killed.
 
Yeah no.

Bin Laden was an armed combatant actively engaged in waging war against the USA. His death would be more like when a BN or BDE Commander is killed.
One of two or three things Bomma did that I agreed with.
 
Osama Bin Laden.

Maybe. We'll never know for sure since the body was completely destroyed and thrown into the ocean.
I don't believe for a second he was killed.
He had succumbed to a kidney disease; He needed hemodialysis machine treatments to keep him alive.

It was reported to Bush that he had died. Bush blew it off. Didn't believe it. He believed it was fake news intended to call off the assassination dogs.

The excuse for not showing his dead body and dumping it into the ocean "out of respect" for Islam was BS. He was a ******* terrorist.
There have been photos shown of a dead Saddam, his sons and other Islamists that have been killed.

Oh but Seal Team 6 did kill somebody, except that multiple news reports out of Pakistan cited citizens stating for a fact that the old man that was killed during the raid at the compound was definitely not Osama Bin Laden.
I wish I still had those articles.
 
I'm saying, if you have IN CUSTODY the man you believe is responsible for thousands of American deaths, you bring him back for a trial and an execution. You don't "shoot him dozens of times and dump his body with zero proof for the American people that you ever had him."

See, I would submit the American government & military cannot prove that Bin Laden was captured and is dead.

They can't prove a thing. At all.
 
I'm saying, if you have IN CUSTODY the man you believe is responsible for thousands of American deaths, you bring him back for a trial and an execution. You don't "shoot him dozens of times and dump his body with zero proof for the American people that you ever had him."

See, I would submit the American government & military cannot prove that Bin Laden was captured and is dead.

They can't prove a thing. At all.
Yet they found a hijacker's passport at Ground Zero. It will never add up in this life.
 
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