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This is just PITIFUL

Geez, given the defensive formation and the way the defense started to break outside, if Pickens instead of running a hitch breaks inside to the seam, it's probably a freaking touchdown
 
But of course, A) Kenny never looks at Pickins and B) If he does, the defensive end is left to come completely free. And is in position to block the passing lane.
 
I can continue... if Pickett was able or willing to wait a second or two to let those three outside receivers clear some defenders, maybe Warren has a chance to pick up a yard or two, but since there's no delay and Pickett dumps the ball almost instantly, he basically runs Warren into four defenders.
 
I can continue... if Pickett was able or willing to wait a second or two to let those three outside receivers clear some defenders, maybe Warren has a chance to pick up a yard or two, but since there's no delay and Pickett dumps the ball almost instantly, he basically runs Warren into four defenders.
if he looks downfield for a couple of seconds instead of directly at warren, it might of had a shot a being a positive play
 
Yep. But it's such a jail-break rush that he doesn't have any time unless he rolls left. And that would likely take away the Pickins slant and probably make it harder for him to make an accurate throw.

Just a crap play from the word go.
 
That play was so ****. I almost turned the game off at that point. Unreal.
 
did kenny turn to quick to Warren? were the wideouts supposed to block? it was obvious from the snap where kenny was going and all the defenders knew it

this play alone should get canada fired





This is what I'm trying to say when I use the words high school offense. There is nothing after the snap so the play either works or is doomed. And frankly they put that on film about 8 times including what was a fumble last week on the backwards throw vs. GB.
 
The response by DJ and Pickens leads me to believe that it was not pre-determined by play call that the ball had to be thrown to Warren
 
did kenny turn to quick to Warren? were the wideouts supposed to block? it was obvious from the snap where kenny was going and all the defenders knew it

this play alone should get canada fired





I'll give my take on this play, relying on my memory of playing the position 38+ years ago. lol

First, I have to assume this was not intended as a version of a Bubble Screen. All 3 receivers to the top of the screen immediately began to run a pattern. Not one of them even attempted to block. It's always possible that a single receiver missed an assignment on any pass play but for all 3 to miss their assignments, and all 3 on the same side of a formation, well that is beyond unlikely. If they all missed it, then this team has bigger problems that we can even see.

It would appear that Warren was the check-down receiver, and should have been looked at after KP made his primary read or even a secondary read. Instead, it appears that KP predetermined where he was going with the ball and did so too quickly, meaning he didn't even sell the possibility of throwing to one of the receivers to the top of the formation (top of screen). Had he actually held the ball and read the defenders to that side of the formation, he would have seen how they all immediately broke toward the line of scrimmage in the direction of Warren. KP could/should have had his choice of throwing to one or any of those 3 receivers on that side of the formation.

But the original commentary seems accurate to me. The play looks to be designed to force one-on-one coverage to the bottom of the screen (Pickens) which one would think the Steelers want as often as possible. However, KP never looks to that side of the formation.

I see a QB who predetermines his target, is maybe reading the defense pre-snap but making no effort to read the defense at or after the snap, and just going with a one target mentality. This play gave KP multiple good, if not great, options immediately after the snap of the ball. Unfortunately, he isn't seeing them and isn't acting on what the defense is presenting him. I see a QB who is not mentally processing what is in front of him. I don't think it's a failure to recognize pre-snap coverage because no QB or coach would anticipate all 3 defensive backs (to top of screen) to leave their assigned receiver and break toward Warren. That is evidence that Cleveland knew where KP was going immediately based on KP's own body language. If a QB is processing in real time, that can and should be easily expoited.

KP looks lost to me. He looks to have no confidence in his ability, or the system, or the execution, or all of the above. He is not seeing the field and does not currently show the ability to react to what he is seeing. I hate it, but he is far from the QB we witnessed during the second half of last season. He's taken several steps backwards. The reason? Well, that's a whole different discussion.

I could be wrong. Maybe this was a Bubble Screen and all 3 receivers to the left of the formation did not understand the play call or their assignments. If that's the case at midseason, then this offense has failed all steps of the process from training camp through weekly practices.
 
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That play has been run at least 6 times and went to Warren. The whole offense is pretty much pre determined.

Every game the other team is gloating about knowing the plays… every team runs tge same plays, but most try to disguise them a bit… or add wrinkles…
Team analysts see who we run out there, check the down and distance and tell the d to key on a couple plays… they see one presnap tell, and then pin their ears back and blow it up…

This is not the motion heavy disguised chessmatch I envisioned when they said they were moving on from Fitchner… its not even tge O he ran in college…

And pickett ran a run heavy pro style offense in college… you shouldn’t need to revert to whatever this is

It reeks of micromanaging egotistical jackassery from the Offensive hierarchy… seriously most of our passes are predetermined at the call… its absurd…
 
I think just 11 people don't know what play the offense is running. Unfortunately, they are all wearing Steelers road jerseys ...
 
Every game the other team is gloating about knowing the plays… every team runs the same plays, but most try to disguise them a bit… or add wrinkles…
Team analysts see who we run out there, check the down and distance and tell the d to key on a couple plays… they see one presnap tell, and then pin their ears back and blow it up…

This is not the motion heavy disguised chess match I envisioned when they said they were moving on from Fitchner… its not even the O he ran in college…

And pickett ran a run heavy pro style offense in college… you shouldn’t need to revert to whatever this is

It reeks of micromanaging egotistical jackassery from the Offensive hierarchy… seriously most of our passes are predetermined at the call… its absurd…

Yep predetermined. Why isn't Kenny going with option C. He looks at option A as directed. Then it doesn't develop or he tried to squeeze it in and execute the play. Option C is open. He is pressured or is looking at option B or is inaccurate.

A lot going on there. But the game plan and route concepts blow chunks. Not to be outdone Sunday Kenny blew chunks too.
 
I'll give my take on this play, relying on my memory of playing the position 38+ years ago. lol

First, I have to assume this was not intended as a version of a Bubble Screen. All 3 receivers to the top of the screen immediately began to run a pattern. Not one of them even attempted to block. It's always possible that a single receiver missed an assignment on any pass play but for all 3 to miss their assignments, and all 3 o nthe same side of a formation, well that is beyond unlikely. If they all missed it, then this team has bigger problems that we can even see.

It would appear that Warren was the check-down receiver, and should have been looked at after KP made his primary read or even a secondary read. Instead, it appears that KP predetermined where he was going with the ball and did so too quickly, meaning he didn't even sell the possibility of throwing to one of the receivers to the top of the formation (top of screen). Had he actually held the ball and read the defenders to that side of the formation, he would have seen how they all immediately broke toward the line of scrimmage in the direction of Warren. KP could/should have had his choice of throwing to one or any of those 3 receivers on that side of the formation.

But the original commentary seems accurate to me. The play looks to be designed to force one-on-one coverage to the bottom of the screen (Pickens) which one would think the Steelers want as often as possible. However, KP never looks to that side of the formation.

I see a QB who predetermines his target, is maybe reading the defense pre-snap but making no effort to read the defense at or after the snap, and just going with a one target mentality. This play gave KP multiple good, if not great, options immediately after the snap of the ball. Unfortunately, he isn't seeing them and isn't acting on what the defense is presenting him. I see a QB who is not mentally processing what is in front of him. I don't think it's a failure to recognize pre-snap coverage because no QB or coach would anticipate all 3 defensive backs (to top of screen) to leave their assigned receiver and break toward Warren. That is evidence that Cleveland knew where KP was going immediately based on KP's own body language. If a QB is processing in real time, that can and should be easily expoited.

KP looks lost to me. He looks to have no confidence in his ability, or the system, or the execution, or all of the above. He is not seeing the field and does not currently show the ability to react to what he is seeing. I hate it, but he is far from the QB we witnessed during the second half of last season. He's taken several steps backwards. The reason? Well, that's a whole different discussion.

I could be wrong. Maybe this was a Bubble Screen and all 3 receivers to the left of the formation did not understand the play call or their assignments. If that's the case at midseason, then this offense has failed all steps of the process from training camp through weekly practices.
In no defense of anyone here,simply an observation.
#99 was going to be on Kenny instantly. Watch it. There was no way he could have went to Pickens. I doubt he would have had time to throw to the top 3. I believe he saw #99 in the corner of his eye.....panicked and instantly threw to Warren. His confidence is at an all time low I would think. With that he panics and gets happy feet. I watched 10 times in a row slow motion. #99 would have squashed him instantly if he didn’t get rid of it.
 
In no defense of anyone here,simply an observation.
#99 was going to be on Kenny instantly. Watch it. There was no way he could have went to Pickens. I doubt he would have had time to throw to the top 3. I believe he saw #99 in the corner of his eye.....panicked and instantly threw to Warren. His confidence is at an all time low I would think. With that he panics and gets happy feet. I watched 10 times in a row slow motion. #99 would have squashed him instantly if he didn’t get rid of it.
Then he should have ran to his left...the one time he should have, he didn't. Hell, if he had pump faked Warren while rolling out, there would be 2 WR wide open down the field for a TD.
 
Then he should have ran to his left...the one time he should have, he didn't. Hell, if he had pump faked Warren while rolling out, there would be 2 WR wide open down the field for a TD.
To me,there is no way he could have pump faked Warren and thrown it down the field. The guy was on him instantly.
Hey....I could be wrong. That’s just what I see.
 
I'll give my take on this play, relying on my memory of playing the position 38+ years ago. lol

First, I have to assume this was not intended as a version of a Bubble Screen. All 3 receivers to the top of the screen immediately began to run a pattern. Not one of them even attempted to block. It's always possible that a single receiver missed an assignment on any pass play but for all 3 to miss their assignments, and all 3 on the same side of a formation, well that is beyond unlikely. If they all missed it, then this team has bigger problems that we can even see.

It would appear that Warren was the check-down receiver, and should have been looked at after KP made his primary read or even a secondary read. Instead, it appears that KP predetermined where he was going with the ball and did so too quickly, meaning he didn't even sell the possibility of throwing to one of the receivers to the top of the formation (top of screen). Had he actually held the ball and read the defenders to that side of the formation, he would have seen how they all immediately broke toward the line of scrimmage in the direction of Warren. KP could/should have had his choice of throwing to one or any of those 3 receivers on that side of the formation.

But the original commentary seems accurate to me. The play looks to be designed to force one-on-one coverage to the bottom of the screen (Pickens) which one would think the Steelers want as often as possible. However, KP never looks to that side of the formation.

I see a QB who predetermines his target, is maybe reading the defense pre-snap but making no effort to read the defense at or after the snap, and just going with a one target mentality. This play gave KP multiple good, if not great, options immediately after the snap of the ball. Unfortunately, he isn't seeing them and isn't acting on what the defense is presenting him. I see a QB who is not mentally processing what is in front of him. I don't think it's a failure to recognize pre-snap coverage because no QB or coach would anticipate all 3 defensive backs (to top of screen) to leave their assigned receiver and break toward Warren. That is evidence that Cleveland knew where KP was going immediately based on KP's own body language. If a QB is processing in real time, that can and should be easily expoited.

KP looks lost to me. He looks to have no confidence in his ability, or the system, or the execution, or all of the above. He is not seeing the field and does not currently show the ability to react to what he is seeing. I hate it, but he is far from the QB we witnessed during the second half of last season. He's taken several steps backwards. The reason? Well, that's a whole different discussion.

I could be wrong. Maybe this was a Bubble Screen and all 3 receivers to the left of the formation did not understand the play call or their assignments. If that's the case at midseason, then this offense has failed all steps of the process from training camp through weekly practices.
At this point I question whether Duh’s plays even have second and third reads. I could easily believe that Duh’s playbook says on this play you throw to this guy and there are no other options.

The Pats****** are bad this year but Belicheat is gonna feast on this bull****.
 
did kenny turn to quick to Warren? were the wideouts supposed to block? it was obvious from the snap where kenny was going and all the defenders knew it

this play alone should get canada fired





I had to travel all day yesterday and I watched the game this morning.

Lots to complain about but here is what I want to get off my chest, now, "KENNY ONE READ" is not the answer.
 
I had to travel all day yesterday and I watched the game this morning.

Lots to complain about but here is what I want to get off my chest, now, "KENNY ONE READ" is not the answer.
Neither is"TOMLIN ONE APPROACH ". I will let you figure out which one has been around longer.

😉🤔
 
To me,there is no way he could have pump faked Warren and thrown it down the field. The guy was on him instantly.
Hey....I could be wrong. That’s just what I see.
That's fair but Kenny does have some mobility and should be able to juke #99 and make the throw to Pickens and worst case scenario he had the inside slot WR (I think that was Heyward) WIDE OPEN over the top of the defense but his body is already in throwing motion to the flat.

There were multiple plays like that yesterday and I'm leaning toward this as a two-fold problem w/ Kenny "One Read" being the bulk consumer...
 
Neither is"TOMLIN ONE APPROACH ". I will let you figure out which one has been around longer.

😉🤔
That's not how I see it but I get it...think back...our offense hasn't been one that a team is scared of since Ben hurt his elbow. Coach Tomlin/Coach Canada did not have anything to do with our success then---wait...one of them did and you know the answer to this riddle 🤪😂😊
 
Neither right now.

Or is that not fair to say?
Which one HAS HAD success in the NFL? When you have to keep adding qualifiers to it just to try and prop Pickett up, it makes it hard to be serious.
 
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