Tomlin on Challenges

[t-man]

This can't be right, he sucks after all, no way he has a better challenge record than darth hoodie, is there?

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/mike-tomlins-history-replay-challenges-133311310.html

 

[Guse]

This can't be right, he sucks after all, no way he has a better challenge record than darth hoodie, is there?

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/mike-tomlins-history-replay-challenges-133311310.html

Not making a judgment either way, but Darth Hoodie often uses his challenges for the following reasons when he needs to take a timeout anyway: (1) the timeout will be much longer and (2) there's a chance that he'll keep the timeout and have a play go (even slightly) more in his favor.

 

[Idioteque]

Nice "stat," which doesn't take into account calls that a coach chooses not to challenge.

 

[Idioteque]

I also failed to realize that challenge % was the only measure of a HC.

 

[t-man]

I am not aware of any measurement for plays that "should have been" challenged. How can you determine what "should have been" challenged? Without knowing the outcome of a possible challenge, is there any way to track if a play should have been challenged? That would be an interesting stat, but it would require that the zebras huddle up on every play after the game, and say ahead of time if they would have changed the call on that play or not.

Joe

 

[t-man]

I also failed to realize that challenge % was the only measure of a HC.

I'm sorry, perhaps I'm missing something, did I say he was amazing? I pointed out that an OFTEN cited complaint here on the board that thinks it knows all, seems to be in error. Sorry if that doesn't fit with your pre-conceived notion of reality.

Joe

 

[Idioteque]

I am not aware of any measurement for plays that "should have been" challenged. How can you determine what "should have been" challenged? Without knowing the outcome of a possible challenge, is there any way to track if a play should have been challenged? That would be an interesting stat, but it would require that the zebras huddle up on every play after the game, and say ahead of time if they would have changed the call on that play or not.

Joe

I don't think that could be measured, since it's a subjective stat. But Tomlin (and other coaches) do indeed miss good opportunities to challenge. Point being that % of overturned challenges tells at best half the story of a coach's challenging prowess.

And about 5% of his overall coaching ability.

 

[t-man]

Why don't you list the 5 coaches who are going to do a better job this year, you know, the ones we'll wish we had taken ahead of Tomlin. I'll put it in a doc for ya.

 

[Idioteque]

I'm sorry, perhaps I'm missing something, did I say he was amazing? I pointed out that an OFTEN cited complaint here on the board that thinks it knows all, seems to be in error. Sorry if that doesn't fit with your pre-conceived notion of reality.

Joe

My mistake. This:

This can't be right, he sucks after all

seemed like a sarcastic comment that meant, "See? Toldja he's a good coach!"

 

[Idioteque]

Why don't you list the 5 coaches who are going to do a better job this year, you know, the ones we'll wish we had taken ahead of Tomlin. I'll put it in a doc for ya.

There's no way I can find the time today to list all of the coaches superior to Tomlin. Besides, I don't have all the candidate names; many are coaching in middle and high school right now

 

[t-man]

Nah, it was more a jab at the "He sucks at everything" crowd. I don't think he's the best coach in the business, but he isn't nearly as **** it up as this board makes it seem either.

Joe

 

[Idioteque]

Nah, it was more a jab at the "He sucks at everything" crowd. I don't think he's the best coach in the business, but he isn't nearly as **** it up as this board makes it seem either.

Joe

When a coach fails to understand the fourth-quarter difference between 16 points (two scores) and 17 points (three scores).. you might be a fuckup.

When a coach goes for two from the 12-yard line late in the fourth quarter of a playoff game, allowing the opposing team to go up by 9 by scoring a TD.. you might be a fuckup.

When a coach runs out the first-half clock with 1:47 to play in a MASSIVE late-season Ravens game.. you might be a fuckup.

When a coach kicks a FG from the one-millimeter line in the first quarter of the Super Bowl.. you might be a fuckup,

When a coach promises to "unleash hell" then loses to the bottom-dwelling Chiefs the next week.. in fact, loses to awful teams at such a dizzying rate.. you might be a fuckup.

When a coach's team flails as miserably as we have, missing the playoffs nearly half the time despite having a HOF QB and HOF DC.. you might be a fuckup.

When a coach wanders, grinning, onto the field during a kick return and nearly costs his team a draft pick.. you might be a fuckup,

When he fails to draft one single great player in his seven-year tenure, coming off a dazzling run of amazing draft picks before he got there.. it's not a good sign.

 

[Idioteque]

FWIW, here's a quick list of HCs with better challenge success rates than Bill Belichick:

Ken Whisenhunt
Rex Ryan
Bobby Petrino
Leslie Frazier
Jim Schwartz
Dennis Allen
Jason Garrett*
Jim Caldwell*

*these guys absolutely dwarf Tomlin's career challenge record

 

[Stryker]

I also failed to realize that challenge % was the only measure of a HC.

Obviously it's not wins.... smh.

 

[black and gold apex]

How about challenge one where you can actually see the ball and where the player went down.

 

[obxsteeler]

There's no way I can find the time today to list all of the coaches superior to Tomlin. Besides, I don't have all the candidate names; many are coaching in middle and high school right now

Tomlin NFL record 76-44. Best Steeler percentage ever. Idioteque record at anything-unknown.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Tomlin may have his deficiencies, but also has some goodies too. Usually one isn't as bad as everyone thinks, but also isn't as good as everyone thinks. Its the fine balance in between, that we want.





Salute the nation

 

[Franco]

Tomlin wastes a lot of challenges om meaningless plays early in the game which limits his ability to challenge later in the game in crucial spots. He wins a lot of challenges that have no outcome on the game and this has been repeated way too often in his career. It is when to make a challenge that he is weak at.

 

[Idioteque]

Tomlin NFL record 76-44. Best Steeler percentage ever. Idioteque record at anything-unknown.

Care to show the recent trend of that record? Really seems it was much, much, much higher 2-3 years ago..

 

[Hineswardkickedurpanzyass]

2007 2007 NFL AFC North 1st 10 6 0 .625 Lost Wild Card Playoffs (Jaguars) 31–29
2008 2008 NFL AFC North 1st 12 4 0 .750 Won Divisional Playoffs (Chargers) 35–24
Won Conference Championship (Ravens) 23–14
Won Super Bowl XLIII(6) (Cardinals) 27–23 James Harrison – Defensive Player of the Year[4]
Santonio Holmes – Super Bowl MVP
Mike Tomlin – Motorola NFL Coach of the Year[5]
2009 2009 NFL AFC North 3rd 9 7 0 .563
2010 2010 NFL AFC North 1st 12 4 0 .750 Won Divisional Playoffs (Ravens) 31–24
Won Conference Championship (Jets) 24–19
Lost Super Bowl XLV (Packers) 31–25 Troy Polamalu – Defensive Player of the Year
2011 2011 NFL AFC North 2nd 12 4 0 .750 Lost Wild Card Playoffs (Broncos) 29–23 (OT)
2012 2012 NFL AFC North 3rd 8 8 0 .500
2013 2013 NFL AFC North 2nd 8 8 0 .500