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Tony Dungy shares the private reason Chuck Noll passed on Dan Marino

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As the Pittsburgh Steelers approach the 2022 NFL Draft, there has rampant speculation about what the organization will to replace the retired Ben Roethlisberger. It’s a position the Steelers have not been in since 2004 and is in many ways, reminiscent of the 1983 NFL Draft, when the Steelers made the infamous decision to pass on Dan Marino knowing that Terry Bradshaw had off-season elbow surgery.

There could not have been a more perfect fit, especially to Art Rooney and Dan Rooney. Hailing from Oakland, Marino was a Pittsburgh boy who they had watched quarterback at Central Catholic and brought the University of Pittsburgh Panthers to the brink of the National Championship. If there were two things the Rooney’s had always valued, it was a love of Pittsburgh and a dedication to the Catholic faith. They were even close to Marino, who personally asked the Chief himself to draft him.

On the day of the 1983 NFL Draft, Dan Rooney tried to influence a suggestion to select Marino to Chuck Noll, Art Rooney Jr., and Dick Haley. Rooney included they should trade Cliff Stoudt so as to acquire a second-round pick and so they could still draft Gabe Rivera, the DT that Noll had targeted. But Dan Rooney made a mistake in not presenting the idea as his own but suggested by John Clayton. The chorus of groans and heckles ended that discussion. Instead, the decision would haunt the franchise for 20 years as the one that got away.

Marino’s draft stock dropped after a disappointing senior season at Pitt which was stained by rumors of drug use. Coming off a junior season which he threw 37 TDs in 1981, Marino had only 17 TDs and 23 INTs as a senior, the unsubstantiated rumors were enough to stick and keep teams from drafting Marino. That included Noll and the Steelers, as he admitted when appearing on a WTAE-AM talk show and reported by the AP in May 1992.

Noll never doubted Marino’s ability, but there were three considerations:

  1. The experience with Joe Gilliam haunted Noll and, fair or not, he did not want to bring in a quarterback with similar question marks.
  2. He recognized that the league was transforming into a passing league and felt that Rivera, a behemoth defensive tackle from Texas Tech with an uncanny ability to pressure the quarterback, would be the cornerstone of the defense like Joe Greene.

There was the third factor, as Tony Dungy revealed in Chuck Noll: His Life’s Work by Michael MacCambridge that was a more than a little surprising:

“It was a weird time, and Chuck was very loyal to those guys. Drafting Marino, as much as Bradshaw says he didn’t care about his feelings and stuff, that would have killed Bradshaw, and he still thought he was going to play a couple more years. There was a lot to that. It changed the course of the franchise, for sure.”

Given the relationship between Noll and Bradshaw, it’s a revelation that one would never have expected. But it shows that Noll was not as cold as his demeanor appeared. Interestingly, Noll’s real opinion about Marino may surfaced when the Miami Dolphins selected him six picks later as Noll called Don Shula to congratulated him with a very prophetic statement: “You probably got the best guy in the draft.”

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Spin it any way one wants but just because if we would have drafted him doen't instantly bring chamionships to the STEELERS.

Most certainly increases the odds but as we place higher we draft lower so the teams could easily be different make up. I think Marino would have brought at least one, maybe two SBs while under Noll. I also think one more (slight possible 2nd) while under Cowher.




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Spin it any way one wants but just because if we would have drafted him doen't instantly bring chamionships to the STEELERS.

Most certainly increases the odds but as we place higher we draft lower so the teams could easily be different make up. I think Marino would have brought at least one, maybe two SBs while under Noll. I also think one more (slight possible 2nd) while under Cowher.




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I don't think Noll retires if he's winning SBs, or in the hunt for them with Marino. Therefore, Cowher never does coach the Steelers.
 
I remember that draft. think it was a no brainer to pick Marino. no internet back then, but it was just a forgone conclusion that Marino was a Steeler.

would have loved to have seen it happen. I do think Gabe was a good pick also until the accident
 
I don't think Noll retires if he's winning SBs, or in the hunt for them with Marino. Therefore, Cowher never does coach the Steelers.
I think noll was done when he was done regardless… he lost his edge in drafting after 86… he had a few gems but a lot of crap and he knew it… the interesting question is had cowher come on with marino, would he have gone in another direction from Erhardt at OC and would that have ultimately changed his entire philosophy
 
I think this is bullshit. As evidence I give you Mark Malone who was a 1st round pick in 1980 when Bradshaw was coming off his 4th Super Bowl and was 3 years younger . I guess Noll wasn't worried about Bradshaw then .
 
I think this is bullshit. As evidence I give you Mark Malone who was a 1st round pick in 1980 when Bradshaw was coming off his 4th Super Bowl and was 3 years younger . I guess Noll wasn't worried about Bradshaw then .
Malone wasn’t drafted to play QB as much as he was an amazing athlete (prior to knee injury) they just wanted.

There’s also a difference between taking a REAL replacement QB (see Aaron Rodgers & Brett Favre or Steve Young & Joe Montana) vs. a guy who’s not a threat. Malone couldn’t even challenge for starting job when Bradshaw was hurt
 
Mark Malone was drafted to play QB. Malone tore up his knee Prior To 1983 but keep up your revisionist bullshit. Noll did not draft Malone to be a Slash.
 
Bradshaw was also 35 in 1983 which was OLD for a QB. in that era.Noll would not be afraid of upsetting his old 35 year old QB just like he wasn't upset in 1980 to draft a QB . Malone was an unknown entity in 1983 so it is more likely that Noll still had high hopes for Malone. You know the Malone that took the mediocre 1984 Steeler team to the AFC Championship game and then threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs in that game when 300 yards really meant something.
For the sake of comparison Bradshaw only threw for 300 yards in the playoffs TWICE. Malone never further developed but he was only 23 at the time of the 1983 draft.
 
Bradshaw was also 35 in 1983 which was OLD for a QB. in that era.Noll would not be afraid of upsetting his old 35 year old QB just like he wasn't upset in 1980 to draft a QB . Malone was an unknown entity in 1983 so it is more likely that Noll still had high hopes for Malone. You know the Malone that took the mediocre 1984 Steeler team to the AFC Championship game and then threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs in that game when 300 yards really meant something.
For the sake of comparison Bradshaw only threw for 300 yards in the playoffs TWICE. Malone never further developed but he was only 23 at the time of the 1983 draft.
I really liked him in Magnum P.I.

And those Dobermans were something special.
 
I loved on ESPN after a Raiders Steelers game when Marc Wilson was the Raiders QB against Malone. They showed a montage of horribly errant throws by the two of them and then Berman says, " A pair of marks beat nothing" LMFAO
 
Mark Malone was drafted to play QB. Malone tore up his knee Prior To 1983 but keep up your revisionist bullshit. Noll did not draft Malone to be a Slash.
You’re so full of **** you need two ********.

It’s not revisionist bullshit. I didn’t say the drafted him to be slash *******. I said they drafted him because he was the best athlete.

Don’t even try me. I’ll just take you to school all day long. I cited it exactly on this site last year when I did a series that revisited every draft from 1980 to the mid 2000s that sourced everything—including the 1980 draft.

So go **** yourself with your little pissass internet tough guy mentality.
 
You are too stupid for a real debate. They drafted home to be their FUTURE QB. You can take down no one but your steroid addled brain.
 
Bradshaw was also 35 in 1983 which was OLD for a QB. in that era.Noll would not be afraid of upsetting his old 35 year old QB just like he wasn't upset in 1980 to draft a QB . Malone was an unknown entity in 1983 so it is more likely that Noll still had high hopes for Malone. You know the Malone that took the mediocre 1984 Steeler team to the AFC Championship game and then threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs in that game when 300 yards really meant something.
For the sake of comparison Bradshaw only threw for 300 yards in the playoffs TWICE. Malone never further developed but he was only 23 at the time of the 1983 draft.
Don’t pretend you know anything besides what you read of off box scores. Malone didn’t even win the starting job to start the 84 season & it was back & forth between him and David Woodley for both 84 & 85.
 
Internet tough guy. You are the steroid guy in his 40s that thinks he is the real deal. You are nothing but a fan boy who talks about his good times with former players like anyone gives a shot.

Chuck Noll the greatest head coach in NFL history spent a 1st round pick on a QB to be the future franchise QB. it didn't work out but your bullshit to the contraire doesn't pass. Go inject more roids fan boy.
 
Don’t pretend you know anything besides what you read of off box scores. Malone didn’t even win the starting job to start the 84 season & it was back & forth between him and David Woodley for both 84 & 85.
No one said he was the starter at the start of the 84 season roid boy. I said he TOOK the team to the AFC Championship game. I don't need to read box scores ***** I watched all the games. Injection time roid boy you are slipping.
 
You are too stupid for a real debate. They drafted home to be their FUTURE QB. You can take down no one but your steroid addled brain.
If I slapped the stupid out of you there’d be nothing left.
 
Internet tough guy. You are the steroid guy in his 40s that thinks he is the real deal. You are nothing but a fan boy who talks about his good times with former players like anyone gives a shot.

Chuck Noll the greatest head coach in NFL history spent a 1st round pick on a QB to be the future franchise QB. it didn't work out but your bullshit to the contraire doesn't pass. Go inject more roids fan boy.
Sounds like someone is crying cuz their penis pump doesn’t work.
 
Sounds like someone is crying cuz their penis pump doesn’t work.
You do love some penis. I guess all the roids have left you with nada which matches your intellect roid boy.
 
Funny how since I destroyed you in this thread you resort to penis schtick. Typical of a dumb roider.
 
Internet tough guy. You are the steroid guy in his 40s that thinks he is the real deal. You are nothing but a fan boy who talks about his good times with former players like anyone gives a shot.

Chuck Noll the greatest head coach in NFL history spent a 1st round pick on a QB to be the future franchise QB. it didn't work out but your bullshit to the contraire doesn't pass. Go inject more roids fan boy.
For the record, apparently 100,000 people seemed to give a **** since this story I wrote was the top story on Google search so in old school SteelerNation tradition—go die in a fire
 
Noll never doubted Marino’s ability, but there were three considerations:

  1. The experience with Joe Gilliam haunted Noll and, fair or not, he did not want to bring in a quarterback with similar question marks.
  2. He recognized that the league was transforming into a passing league and felt that Rivera, a behemoth defensive tackle from Texas Tech with an uncanny ability to pressure the quarterback, would be the cornerstone of the defense like Joe Greene
Interestingly, Noll’s real opinion about Marino may surfaced when the Miami Dolphins selected him six picks later as Noll called Don Shula to congratulated him with a very prophetic statement: “You probably got the best guy in the draft.”
I'd imagine that if Noll recognized that the NFL was transforming into a passing league, then he would have most served that belief by taking the "best guy in the draft," who happened to be a passer.

Whatever the cosmic reasoning was at the time, at least the Steelers didn't **** up again by passing on Ben.
 
For the record, apparently 100,000 people seemed to give a **** since this story I wrote was the top story on Google search so in old school SteelerNation tradition—go die in a fire
Grease fire, Bill
 
Spin it any way one wants but just because if we would have drafted him doen't instantly bring chamionships to the STEELERS.

Most certainly increases the odds but as we place higher we draft lower so the teams could easily be different make up. I think Marino would have brought at least one, maybe two SBs while under Noll. I also think one more (slight possible 2nd) while under Cowher.




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Possibly, but he would of had to have a better supporting cast in Pitt. I'm not sure he would have.
 
Possibly, but he would of had to have a better supporting cast in Pitt. I'm not sure he would have.
He absolutely would have, he didn't have a ton of help in Miami in terms of players around him.
Noll also wanted Robert Newhouse, not Franco.
 
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