Why does the NFL need a specific policy?

[CharlesDavenport]

Wife beater, kid beater..don't they all violate the general HR conduct policies? Cut them from the league and move on. Why does the NFL have to be some larger arbiter? I don't know if this is a Goodell thing or a result of the collective bargaining thing, but this should be a non-issue. Cut em and move on. There should be no runway for the media to second guess or judge with respect to the NFL. Plenty of dudes out there ready to play in the NFL who don't punch chicks or whip kids. Concentrate on them.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

you and wife argue,, she wants a divorce,, you threaten to take custody of kids,, she calls cops ,, says you hit her,,, goodell finds out and now according to your policy ,, im out of a job too. That's why.

 

[Steelr4evr]

you and wife argue,, she wants a divorce,, you threaten to take custody of kids,, she calls cops ,, says you hit her,,, goodell finds out and now according to your policy ,, im out of a job too. That's why.

Bingo! This does happen unfortunately. Chicks have weaponized this stuff. It's amazing the **** they will pull once they turn on you and your relationship goes from love to hate.

 

[DBS1970]

you and wife argue,, she wants a divorce,, you threaten to take custody of kids,, she calls cops ,, says you hit her,,, goodell finds out and now according to your policy ,, im out of a job too. That's why.

Exactly. And a person has a right to resume their life once they have been punished. And both issues are highly subjective as well. In some jurisdictions DV is litterally if she feels threatened. Thats why in CA they say "shout at your spouse and lose your house", you raise your voice she calls the cops and you go to jail for assault without laying a finger on anyone.

As far as child abuse goes we can all agree that the kind of bruising Adrian Peterson left on that child was abuse. But in some cases any mark left makes a spanning abuse, so you give your kid a swat on the *** with your hand and leave a red mark you are now an child abuser in some places. In some places any corporal punishment is abuse. Its a slippery slope to tread on when you start making things that arbitrary.

With Ray Rice you first have a double jepardy situation where he was already disciplined by the league, then Roger Doger changed that when public opinion went against him. This is a dangerous way to do business because we risk over punishing some people because people just don't like them and letting others off easy because they are popular. And as I said earlier it is wrong to continue to punish a person once every they have paid the price for their wrong doing.

 

[Troglodyte]

Exactly. And a person has a right to resume their life once they have been punished.

No, they don't. We have very few rights, and a right to employment of your choice certainly isn't one of them. If Jerry Sandusky ever saw the light of day, would he have the right to go back to coaching? He could if someone agreed to it, but he certainly wouldn't have a right.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

No, they don't. We have very few rights, and a right to employment of your choice certainly isn't one of them. If Jerry Sandusky ever saw the light of day, would he have the right to go back to coaching? He could if someone agreed to it, but he certainly wouldn't have a right.

He would have the right to pursue whatever line of employment that he is legally permitted to do.

And a company/team/organization would absolutely have the right to employ said person if their talent was deemed impressive enough.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

you and wife argue,, she wants a divorce,, you threaten to take custody of kids,, she calls cops ,, says you hit her,,, goodell finds out and now according to your policy ,, im out of a job too. That's why.

That isn't what's going on here at all.

 

[insaniti]

That isn't what's going on here at all.

Maybe not THIS time

 

[Troglodyte]

He would have the right to pursue whatever line of employment that he is legally permitted to do.

And a company/team/organization would absolutely have the right to employ said person if their talent was deemed impressive enough.

Yes, and as long as there is nothing in the labor contract that prevents it, they can also ban an individual for life. Just ask Pete Rose.

 

[GRBman]

Exactly. And a person has a right to resume their life once they have been punished. And both issues are highly subjective as well. In some jurisdictions DV is litterally if she feels threatened. Thats why in CA they say "shout at your spouse and lose your house", you raise your voice she calls the cops and you go to jail for assault without laying a finger on anyone.

As far as child abuse goes we can all agree that the kind of bruising Adrian Peterson left on that child was abuse. But in some cases any mark left makes a spanning abuse, so you give your kid a swat on the *** with your hand and leave a red mark you are now an child abuser in some places. In some places any corporal punishment is abuse. Its a slippery slope to tread on when you start making things that arbitrary.

No, corporal punishment is legal in all 50 states...unless you are a foster parent (which Mrs.GRB and I were)...then you are not permitted to use corporal punishment (not your kid).

As for leaving marks...the standard is that if you leave a mark for more than an hour, it can be considered abuse. You can wear your kid's *** out with a hand or paddle and within just a few minutes that redness goes away. You really do have to do some damage to leave marks.

The problem with corporal punishment in today's society is that many parents aren't responsible enough to learn what is and is not effective punishment...and no, spanking is not discipline...spanking is punishment. Pure and simple. Discipline is teaching. You use punishment as a deterrent...you use teaching as discipline.

 

[Roy92040]

I say we let the public law enforcement people and the courts worry about all these things and forget about the NFL having their own policies. It's like being tried twice for the same crime.

 

[DBS1970]

Legal in a statutory sense. However its up to Government Daleks to interpret the statue. I assure you there are justisdictions where CPS functionaries with an statist agenda will view any corporal punishment as abuse.

No, corporal punishment is legal in all 50 states...unless you are a foster parent (which Mrs.GRB and I were)...then you are not permitted to use corporal punishment (not your kid).

As for leaving marks...the standard is that if you leave a mark for more than an hour, it can be considered abuse. You can wear your kid's *** out with a hand or paddle and within just a few minutes that redness goes away. You really do have to do some damage to leave marks.

The problem with corporal punishment in today's society is that many parents aren't responsible enough to learn what is and is not effective punishment...and no, spanking is not discipline...spanking is punishment. Pure and simple. Discipline is teaching. You use punishment as a deterrent...you use teaching as discipline.

 

[AggieSteel]

Well having moral/ethical codes of conduct is one thing, but I think just in general when it comes to punishments, there needs to be specific policies. Why? Because that's the only way people will trust you when the punishments are actually handed down. When you choose on a case by case basis, there is too much room for things like the Ray Rice situation to blow up in your face. You lose the trust of your employees, the public, etc. Roger is done and it's because the personal conduct policy left him power to choose on a case by case basis.

 

[Wingman]

Well having moral/ethical codes of conduct is one thing, but I think just in general when it comes to punishments, there needs to be specific policies. Why? Because that's the only way people will trust you when the punishments are actually handed down. When you choose on a case by case basis, there is too much room for things like the Ray Rice situation to blow up in your face. You lose the trust of your employees, the public, etc. Roger is done and it's because the personal conduct policy left him power to choose on a case by case basis.

The power to do that was not the problem, the abuse and infective and whimsical use of that power was. Anyone recall an issue like this when Paul Tagliabue was commissioner.

 

[Troglodyte]

The power to do that was not the problem, the abuse and infective and whimsical use of that power was. Anyone recall an issue like this when Paul Tagliabue was commissioner.

Ray Carruth was under Tagliabue, I recall Dan Wilkerson (I think) being arrested for punching his pregnant girlfriend, I'm sure there were others. It became an issue because of two videos which is a sad commentary on our society. Who knows how Tagliabue would have handled it, Goodell certainly bungled it. But I doubt domestic violence is a new phenomenon in the NFL.

 

[Wingman]

Ray Carruth was under Tagliabue, I recall Dan Wilkerson (I think) being arrested for punching his pregnant girlfriend, I'm sure there were others. It became an issue because of two videos which is a sad commentary on our society. Who knows how Tagliabue would have handled it, Goodell certainly bungled it. But I doubt domestic violence is a new phenomenon in the NFL.

I think you are missing my point. I was not stating that things like crimes did not happen what did not happen was all the stupid fines and suspensions.
And I believe in all of those incidents it was handled through the courts not the court of public opinion. I can not think of any instances where the nfl had to take it upon themselves to punish a player.

 

[TDX27]

Oh joy! Jackass Goodell is going to be on air soon.

 

[BAS]

Bingo! This does happen unfortunately. Chicks have weaponized this stuff. It's amazing the **** they will pull once they turn on you and your relationship goes from love to hate.

I know a former coworker who lost custody of her kids because she tanned his hide as a punishment.

It didn't matter in the court's eyes that the reason she swatted him was because he was playing with a lighter and set the couch on fire. I'm not sure the extent of the beating that she gave him, but he was probably 10 years old at the time, and mentioned it to his father.