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Wisconsin Straw Poll: Clinton 49 Percent, Sanders 41 Percent !

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Crazy-B this election cycles Howard Dean.
 
Crazy-B this election cycles Howard Dean.

Dean is/was crazy. Sanders isn't crazy like Dean, but has some similar views. Sanders is for real change and does not say it to get votes.
 
I'm thinking Hilary isn't as popular with voters as her party thought.
 
Dean is/was crazy. Sanders isn't crazy like Dean, but has some similar views. Sanders is for real change and does not say it to get votes.

Crazy-B is an avowed socialist. We don't need that kind of change because socialism is evil and it always collapses.
 
I'm thinking Hilary isn't as popular with voters as her party thought.

She never is when they have a viable alternative. Most Dems would still vote for her over any Republican though. It does seem that she is following Bomma's MO of riling up reliable blue state voters and not bothering to try to convert any undecideds.
 
Is that Bernie or the Colonel in the second spot?
 
I'm thinking Hilary isn't as popular with voters as her party thought.

I think this point is valid point that is magnified by the fact that Hillary has been running for President and campaigned in Iowa before. With unlimited resources, a group of ground people for her messages, and a media built up " star image " Clinton should not in in a dog fight this early. Yet she is!

Sanders first visit to Iowa was May 29th 2015! Go Bernie go!

While some Republicans will stay home if Jeb Bush is running vs. Hillary Clinton ( I say they are missing the big picture if they did this ), they will all come out to vote against a certified socialist.
 
Don’t Pay Attention To That Wisconsin Straw Poll

Conventions by their nature attract the truly hard-core party faithful, so this is the perfect environment for a very liberal candidate like Sanders to do well.

In addition, less than 40 percent of the more than 1,300 delegates who attended the convention even voted. We’re talking about a sliver of a sliver. It was in no way a random sample — or even a particularly meaningful sample.

Indeed, past straw polls taken at the Wisconsin Democratic Convention and Wisconsin Republican Convention have zero correlation with who the eventual nominees are.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/d...in-straw-poll/
 
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meanwhile

New Hampshire Polling

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http://howiecarrshow.com/newwebsite...s/2015/06/New-Hampshire-Polling-June-2015.pdf
 
Look at that...The Donald in 4th place and within a c-hair of 2nd. And he hasn't even announced yet! Go buddy!
 

I still think Bush is the best choice the GOP has. Not perfect by any means, but he has the best chance.

Now for my dream ticket: A Bush and Kasich Ticket ( Florida and Ohio ) could swing both states red. That is 47 electoral votes. A real game changer.

Why? Obama won 332 to 206. BUT if you take out 47 electoral votes its a game changer. You need 270 to become president.

"if no one presidential candidate gets the required majority, than the House of Representatives would choose immediately, by ballot, the President. However, it is important to note the vote would be by states, the representation from each state would have one vote. So each Representative does not get one vote, rather each state represented in the House gets one vote." >>>GOP has more states. Can you smell what I'm cookin'?!

Seriously I'm decent and poker and would go " all in on that strategy "
 
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I think Jeb can take Hillary

Wait till the letists realize Bernie is a Jew that backs Israel over Palestinians


Answering question on Israel, Bernie Sanders tells townhall hecklers to ‘shut up!’


The self-described “socialist,” often named as a liberal alternative to Hillary Clinton in 2016, fought with constituents over Israel and the deaths of Palestinian civilians in Gaza that escalated into an angry screaming match.

At a town hall meeting in Cabot, Vt. over the weekend, Sanders began to answer a question about the conflict by saying that Israel had “overreacted,” but that Hamas was firing missiles into Israel from “populated areas,” and later said the militant Palestinian Islamist group did not want Israel to exist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-sanders-tells-townhall-hecklers-to-shut-up/
 
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While some Republicans will stay home if Jeb Bush is running vs. Hillary Clinton ( I say they are missing the big picture if they did this ), they will all come out to vote against a certified socialist.

Nope. Sorry, not this guy. And I get the big picture.

Why anyone would vote for Jeb Bush is beyond me. He is more left than a good number of Democrats. SMDH. Republicans will never learn.

Oh good Lord.....

Exactly. On both counts.
 
Sanders rising numbers has to have Clinton on high alert. Obviously even democrats aren't all that happy with her.
 
With all of the bright minds we have in this country, the best we can come up with is Jeb and Hillary?
This tells me one thing..............the POTUS is just a beauty contestant.

The real power exists elsewhere.
 
Coach I still think Bush is the best choice the GOP has. Not perfect by any means, but he has the best chance.

Jeb Bush: The GOP Candidate Democrats Want


You wouldn’t know that the fawning New York Magazine piece on Jeb Bush was written by someone who “agrees with exactly nothing the governor says,” if they didn’t tell you. Clearly, Jeb is the choice of liberal Democrats. Perhaps they inherently sense that Hillary Clinton would make short work of him in a general election. In fact, they want you to believe Jeb is a super-duper conservative, as if they even know what that means, let alone see it as a good thing: “Jeb Bush is more ruthless than he looks, more conservative than moderates like to believe, and possibly more appealing to Latinos than Marco,” they tell us. Talk about a hard sell.

When asked if Loretta Lynch, Obama’s nominee for attorney general, should be confirmed, he answered that, yes, she should: “It shouldn’t always be partisan.” He has steadfastly refused to sign Grover Norquist’s pledge not to raise taxes. He has only slightly modified his views on Common Core, which the tea party despises — an irony given how many conservatives originally supported it, and how incensed the teachers unions were by Jeb’s radical education reforms. He talks passionately about legalizing the status of undocumented immigrants, which likely infuriates the tea party even more. Asked if he tips at Chipotle, where Hillary did not, he simply replies that he likes to make his own Mexican food. He leaves red meat on the table. And he seldom tosses it to audiences.

What Democrats see in Jeb is more likely a pliable Republican, the kind they know would be little different than a Democrat were he to win the White House. And that’s precisely what the current GOP base is tired of, perhaps explaining why NY Mag‘s favorite Republican is struggling among genuine conservatives—as opposed to liberal writers based in New York.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/07/jeb-bush-the-gop-candidate-democrats-want/

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Romney didn't lose because that many more people wanted four more years of Obamunism, he lost because the GOP voters didn't turn out for him. If he had only gotten as many votes as McCain did in 2008 he would have won. Also as I have mentioned before, I worked on his campaign at the county level and basically his campaign staff (largely McCain retreads) ran a ****** up operation when it came to the nuts and bolts of it.
 
Romney didn't lose because that many more people wanted four more years of Obamunism, he lost because the GOP voters didn't turn out for him. If he had only gotten as many votes as McCain did in 2008 he would have won. Also as I have mentioned before, I worked on his campaign at the county level and basically his campaign staff (largely McCain retreads) ran a ****** up operation when it came to the nuts and bolts of it.

Not sure about the votes.

2008. McCain got 59.9 million votes
2012 Romney got 60.9 million votes

I do think Romney alienated his base a bit, but he certainly did well with the independents. Although I never saw a study on it, Romney's faith could have hurt him a little.
 
Not sure about the votes.

2008. McCain got 59.9 million votes
2012 Romney got 60.9 million votes

I do think Romney alienated his base a bit, but he certainly did well with the independents. Although I never saw a study on it, Romney's faith could have hurt him a little.

I dunno, I've heard that many times since 2012. Maybe it's the electoral votes. I know a lot of Republicans who said "**** it, another moderate, Imma stay home".
 
There are a lot of reasons Romney lost, from when Obama and Biden both called out their opponents in the debates about what their plan actually was, and neither Romney nor Ryan were able to give any details other than spending cuts. I don't think they actually had planned out what they wanted to cut. On the other hand, Obama/Biden's plan was concise and detailed and they were both able to explain it whenever they needed to. It doesn't take much to impress the uninformed. 47% of the people interviewed said that the only position that Romney maintained throughout the campaign was that he should be president.

Since Obama won basically everyone but nonurban white men and their wives, there are a lot of different groups to hate on, but a clear front-runner in the Blame Game emerged: single women, who gave 68 percent of their vote to Obama, compared to 53 percent of married women who voted for Romney. There were people out there that REALLY believed that Romney wants rape victims forced to have the baby, for poor and middle class families to pay more taxes while the rich collect huge profits from it, to repeal Welfare and other entitlements, and to win a "war against women" to put them in their place.

Romney flip-flopped a lot (on social issues), which turns people off, and many voters, some Republicans themselves, do not trust the Republican Party at all with issues such as immigration, foreign policy, gun control, and social inequality. We got a bunch of them on this site...me included.

Hurricane Sandy, gave Obama a chance to show competence and look presidential (and Gov. Christie gave an honest compliment about Obama's good performance).

Last but not least, the 300 lb gorilla that Democrats say doesn't exist. From machines that wouldn't accept votes for Romney, to places that kicked out Republicans supervising the voting - and suddenly, *miraculously* started getting many more votes for Obama - to the very intentional lack of any kind of voter ID requirement. It's far easier to vote several times when you don't have to show that pesky ID. You don't get between 99% and 140% of the vote in key areas by playing by the rules. In terms of legal votes, maybe Romney did win.

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It doesn't take much to impress the uninformed. 47% of the people interviewed said that the only position that Romney maintained throughout the campaign was that he should be president.
There's that damned 47% again.
 
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