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Pound the Table - Love or Hate

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Steelers can go in many directions. The first 2 years of Kahn Weidl have been great. They've been disciplined in sticking to a plan of rebuilding the core starting with the OL. But the lack of a QB has the team at a crossroads.

Last year they brought in Wilson and Fields, a veteran and a future possible starter. It was smart but they blew that up by letting Wilson leave and not really even trying to keep Fields. Now they are back to Mason Rudolph who appears to be a quality backup and spot starter. They need a possible future starter. Do you get it from this year's weak QB draft or wait until next year's draft of QBs with higher ceilings?

The choices in the 1st round appear to be
QB
DL
RB
Wilddard WR/S - if a freak is available
Trade down

So with that in mind. Pound the table for the guy you want and pound it to warn against the guy who would be a huge mistake.

I will pound the table to draft the best DL or to trade back.

These are linked to me. It's a deep position, so if the top DL on your board are gone and then next 3 guys are ranked similarly then trade back, gain an extra pick and still get your future starter on the DL.

A few wildcards. I can see going with S or WR in Rd 1. The reason is you may be able to get a gamechanger. WRs like Burden or Golden could be impact players and give insurance for Pickens. Even if Pickens gets his head right, can the steelers resign him to the huge contract he'd likely demand?

Safety is another position where you could get an impact player if Starke or Emmanwori are available. Emmanwori is such a physical freak.


I will pound the table against QB or RB
Sanders and Dart are not 1st round talents, especially Sanders. The worst part of drafting one this year is you will possibly miss out on a better prospect next year. The 26 draft where the steelers will have loads of comp picks so they can move up.

I do not want a RB in rd 1. You have Warren and Gainwell. You can get good RBs later. I can't see drafting a position that's easy to fill at the expense of one that's hard to fill (DL).

If the Steelers draft Shedur, i'll be physically ill.
 
IMO, the safe pick at 21 is either Barron or Emmanwori. I'm ok with either, but I believe the FO will lean more towards Emmanwori once you consider Minkah's age and contract (FA after '26) and Elliott (FA after this season). Minkah had a down year (for him) last season, but is it maybe Father Time catching up to him? If Elliott were in the long term plans, he'd have a longer contract. So, while Safety isnt the most discussed position - we're facing something critical here. Add in now that Emmanwori is built like a linebacker, plays safety, and posts a 4.38 40 and that Tomlin likes to interchange guys... Emmanwori looks to be the pick.

DL is deep. We can get a DL later who may not be as refined, but the roster is stacked at DL now.
NO to the RB in the first. No sense in taking a RB in the first since we could have just kep Najee.
I'd have been good with Egbuka at 21 before we got DK. I don't care if Pickens is a FA after this season. We can tag or trade him then.
The only QB i'd take at 21 is Dart. I like that he's proven himself, has a strong arm, can make all the throws and is somewhat mobile. Though I admit to being Pickett-shocked and reluctant to take him at 21. Same goes for Sanders.

I'll go as far as to say if Simmons (Ohio St) is there at 21 and, as tape pointed out, Khan and Weidl are building the line... adding that dude to our OL would be damn near unfair for any DL we face. Simmons is my darkhorse.

For - Emmanwori
Against - DL, LB, WR, RB
Darkhorse - Simmons
 
For QB: Ward or Dart
Against QB: Sander or Milroe

Against any RB in first not named Jeanty who should be long gone (plenty of good RBs available 3rd-7th)

Against any of these receivers in the first. Already drafted their receiver Metcalf in the 2nd so cross that off the early list.

For: Tyler Warren, if he’d drop and is BPA I’m here for it.

Against OL in the first. Grab a tweener on day 3.

Against DL in first unless it’s a trade back scenario. Hit one in the 3rd-4th range then double dip in that 5-7 range.

Against first round LB

For Barron
For Emmanwori or Starks

Pound the table for a trade back unless one of these guys there

Ward, Dart
Jeanty
Warren
Barron
Emmanwori, Starks

And if going with Dart would prefer trading back a few spots
 
Other than picking up a late round QB to hold a clip board and be a camp body, I'm not drafting a QB. If Rodgers signs or not, just pick up someone like Wentz, etc. and roll with Rudy. Not enough picks, no QB really stands out and there are too many other needs. QB in 26. Gotta stop the run and if they only use a 2 DL set then they need to be beasts.

Not opposed to trading back in the first to get a later 1st and adding a second round pick.
 
In the first, pound the table for the best IDL on the board, unless someone unreal falls to them, like Jeanty or Warren. If they trade Pickens, then add Egbuka to the list.

Against - Dart, Sanders, RB not named Jeanty,
 
I’m not very good at this…………..

Dart has many strengths. But we don’t have a 2nd (which is where he should go) so I see a little reach there.

I’mm all for the trench workers so POUND for either or both sides of the line.

Nay on Shedeur, just say no !!!!

Yes to the LS10 for the rides to the podium, Lynn Swan will be the first delivery.




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everyone is For a trade down, now let's make choices if that ain't available.

Value order for me:
RB: Jeanty won't be there, pass on the rest.
Barron CB
Golden WR
DL: Grant or Harmon, I guess private interviews will be the separating factor, if it comes to choosing one or the other
Emmanwori, box safety that can cover TEs and has all the athleticism in the world.
Sanders QB, probably highest QB floor and decent ceiling with fixable issues. I know, there's no improving under tomlin, but I don't know, you gotta try until you get a good one and if another bad 1st round QB pick accelerates Mike T's departure, so be it, long term win.
OL: as another poster said it's a dark horse and I wouldn't be pissed off as there might be serious value falling to us.

this is basically my board, probably missing someone though
 
At this point, I’m ALL for speeding up the process that rids us of Art II and Tomlin the quickest.
1/1/27 can’t get here fast enough.

That said, the new regime will need something to work with.
So ignore QB, RB, WR, TE, K, and P in the first.
Focus on BPA from remaining positions.
Don’t like drafting for need, but D-Line and Secondary need most urgent attention.
So if it’s close enough/tie, go for BPA at one of those two positions.

This smells like another Pickett-esque QB class.
NONE of them should be taken in the 1st.
 
Litos said:
Barron CB
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Barron just seems like one of those guys who is going to be a playmaker in the secondary and a spot the Steelers are missing, that's why he's so high on my board.

fedderone said:
This smells like another Pickett-esque QB class.
NONE of them should be taken in the 1st.
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It's not that bad per Draft Buzz grades. I posted their grades in the QB thread. Ward and Sanders are ranked ahead of Pickett, but ranked 13th and 15th since 2021 (Pickett is 23rd). For reference, Draft Buzz only has Arch Manning and Nico Iamaleava ahead of Ward. Allar is on par with Sanders and Sellers/Nussmeier are ranked lower than Sanders.
 
If I had the energy to pound a table (Shades has taken my passion away at this point), I would advocate for trading back and picking up a second and another third rounder. Then pull the trigger on the BPA at these positions with your fist three picks...QB, RB, CB, IDL.
 
For DL. Neither of the Michigan guys. I like Harmon if he is there. I also like Darius Alexander from Toledo.

That said, If there is no trade back which i am all for. Im willing to take a WR / S/ CB at #1.

And try to get Darius Alexander in the 2nd or 3rd. Will he last that long? idk.

Im also for taking a Will howard type in the 4th, or 3rd. But no QB in the first this year.
I would take another qb early next year in the search for our franchise QB.

Against OL, QB, AND RB in the first round.
 
I obviously don’t have the same opinion of the Wilson and Fields situation. I think they saw what they needed with both of them and chose to offer Fields what looked like a BU QB deal with a chance to prove himself. I think that they planned to keep looking for a starting QB and felt Fields was a place holder, as Rudolph is now.

I think Thursday there is going to be an attempt made to over draft another QB, God I hope it isn’t Sanders or Milroe. I also hope that nobody gives into them and they are forced to pick @ 21 and Harmon or Grant are available.

God I don’t want Howard either.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
For Harmon. Against any Qb (none are first round rated), or running back because it's just not a value pick first round.
I'm ok with any other position though ILB, OL, Edge don't really make much sense. So Wr, DB then.
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I can’t see them going WR in the first. That would mean they would be going WR with pick 1 AND pick 2.

I really think the money pick is DL with the 1st. Cam has one year left and it looks like serious consideration has been given to preparing for trench warfare the last couple of years.

Now if Dart is there @ 21, I could live with that pick. RB, DB can wait till round 3.
 
MT~Forged said:
I can’t see them going WR in the first. That would mean they would be going WR with pick 1 AND pick 2.

I really think the money pick is DL with the 1st. Cam has one year left and it looks like serious consideration has been given to preparing for trench warfare the last couple of years.

Now if Dart is there @ 21, I could live with that pick. RB, DB can wait till round 3.
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Id go Dline round one. Jaxon Dart doesnt have good enough draft projections to warrent a pick in first round. You will easily get better then him in first round next year, but then you can't take qb then because you already overinvested. As far as WR. That's considering Pickens has a future with the Steelers which he does not.
 
If Sanders falls or Dart is there, I can see them picking either. Sanders would be pretty much a lock to grab and they could even trade up a few to get him.

Personally, I want Harmon, Nolen, or Grant in the 1st. In my mocks, I know the DL class is deep but there is a significant drop off from getting one of these 3 guys and a guy who is there in the 3rd. A 3rd rounder is just a bandaid, if that, for the DL. They need an immediate contributor.

Now, if Jeanty falls, I can see them going there as well. They don't pass on top skill players very often.

Trading back is pretty much a pipe dream. You need 2 to tango and this year, there are multiple teams looking to trade back. You can never count on that and we would only get a 3rd, at best, to move back a few spots and to get that 3rd, they probably need to fall almost out of the 1st. Falling out of the first is an absolute NO.
 
Tomlin will want a " splash" pick. If Kahn can send him to the vending machine to get some M&M's when the pick approaches we will trade back. If Tomlin is in the room he will pick Sanders. Splash!
 
BLITZ said:
You guys are looking at this all wrong.
What family members of a current or past Steelers? That is who I am going with
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And…who has a brother in the NFL?

Etienne is shooting up Shades board and is the obvious pick if there in round 3. Then a full Death Star will soon become ready when we have the Etienne squared backfield.
 
Bang, bang, bang

I see 2 common myths developing:

1) Can’t draft a QB-not enough picks. C’mon we are missing 1 damn pick and if you pencil Metcalf in as a 2nd round receiver pick you have the full load. He should be better than any of the 2nd round receivers and had we not drafted him a receiver definitely would have been taken early having our full amount of picks.

2) Can’t draft a QB two years in a row. My ***. If you don’t have a QB ya better be drafting 1-2 a year until you have your guy. You can even take QBs in the first two years in a row if you want and call it cap management. With what even average QBs are making on the open market these days having two QBs on rookie deals isn’t the worst thing in the world. It is the most important position on the field and a team has zero future without one. We’re not talking drafting a guy in the top 3 or even top 5…and won’t be any time soon. Players in the mid teens to low twenties make peanuts compared to the likes of what Smith, Darnold, Fields etc are making on FA deals…not that a FA QB would come here anyway.

A third more specific myth that is more situational for good measure…

3) Next year’s class has a higher ceiling. C’mon, gtfoh with that. Most of those guys are in the exact same range as Ward, Sanders, Dart, Milroe, Shough, Howard etc. I can’t think of one can’t miss prospect that is coming out next year. It’s always a crap shoot and less than 36% of first round QBs pan out. So if ya wanna up your odds a smart gambler definitely rolls the dice twice. Even if there was a “can’t miss guy”, which there isn’t, we wouldn’t be drafting high enough to get him.

And for the “roll with Rudy” crowd. Look, I like Rudy and wish he would’ve got his chance before. He didn’t. Why? Because someone in power in the organization isn’t too fond of him (I ain’t gonna name any names). He was brought in as an “oh ****” insurance policy…break glass in case we miss on Rodgers and the drafted guy isn’t ready. Don’t kid yourself. The decision makers didn’t all the sudden change course and intend to roll with Rudy…that ain’t how this regime operates if you’ve been watching. He is 100% cya gotta have someone other than Skyler in the room.

Pound, pound, pound….Draft a damn QB
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Steelers can go in many directions. The first 2 years of Kahn Weidl have been great. They've been disciplined in sticking to a plan of rebuilding the core starting with the OL. But the lack of a QB has the team at a crossroads.

Last year they brought in Wilson and Fields, a veteran and a future possible starter. It was smart but they blew that up by letting Wilson leave and not really even trying to keep Fields. Now they are back to Mason Rudolph who appears to be a quality backup and spot starter. They need a possible future starter. Do you get it from this year's weak QB draft or wait until next year's draft of QBs with higher ceilings?

The choices in the 1st round appear to be
QB
DL
RB
Wilddard WR/S - if a freak is available
Trade down

So with that in mind. Pound the table for the guy you want and pound it to warn against the guy who would be a huge mistake.

I will pound the table to draft the best DL or to trade back.

These are linked to me. It's a deep position, so if the top DL on your board are gone and then next 3 guys are ranked similarly then trade back, gain an extra pick and still get your future starter on the DL.

A few wildcards. I can see going with S or WR in Rd 1. The reason is you may be able to get a gamechanger. WRs like Burden or Golden could be impact players and give insurance for Pickens. Even if Pickens gets his head right, can the steelers resign him to the huge contract he'd likely demand?

Safety is another position where you could get an impact player if Starke or Emmanwori are available. Emmanwori is such a physical freak.


I will pound the table against QB or RB
Sanders and Dart are not 1st round talents, especially Sanders. The worst part of drafting one this year is you will possibly miss out on a better prospect next year. The 26 draft where the steelers will have loads of comp picks so they can move up.

I do not want a RB in rd 1. You have Warren and Gainwell. You can get good RBs later. I can't see drafting a position that's easy to fill at the expense of one that's hard to fill (DL).

If the Steelers draft Shedur, i'll be physically ill.
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These are highlights but you tell me what you see wrong w/ Sanders game at QB. Everyone loved how Ben stayed in the pocket and created plays - I see the same style...



Watch it all but DEFINITELY start from the 11:00 min mark:



I don't know how anyone can be upset w/ selecting the most accurate QB in the draft, if he's available...
 
If they draft Sanders then pull the offer to Rodgers, we don’t need a 1-year throwaway offensive system to retard his growth. Let him compete with Mason starting in mini-camp.
 
WindyCitySteel said:
If they draft Sanders then pull the offer to Rodgers, we don’t need a 1-year throwaway offensive system to retard his growth. Let him compete with Mason starting in mini-camp.
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From day 1, OTAs included.



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