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Thoughts on this Quarterback class

WindyCitySteel said:
Burrow needed Chase and Jefferson in college to excel, didn’t excel until he got Chase in the NFL. He’s really good, but probably the most dependent on having great weapons of all the franchise QBs.

Was Allen a top prospect? I thought it was a surprise he went so high, and his first two years were shaky.
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I’d say Burrow having 1 elite receiver doesn’t mean he had a great team around him when he turned the Bungles around. To me he moved the needle big time with that team in the early years and was the primary catalyst.

Id make the same argument for Alllen being a big reason the Bills have risen to where they are early in his career
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
so based on that he carried shedeure. ? Just a question, not trolling.
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i don't believe so. Hunter would also be the #1 CB on the offense's #1WR.
that's a **** ton of talent.
and, by all accounts, he's a quality person. super nerd. doesn't party. doesn't get his name in the headlines.
literally should be the #1 pick in the draft, but the Titans are stupid af.
 
Superman said:
i don't believe so. Hunter would also be the #1 CB on the offense's #1WR.
that's a **** ton of talent.
and, by all accounts, he's a quality person. super nerd. doesn't party. doesn't get his name in the headlines.
literally should be the #1 pick in the draft, but the Titans are stupid af.
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Ward could be good, but in terms of other No. 1 QBs, he's a weaker prospect. Hunter is such a unique player and a playmaker that will excite a fanbase especially moving into a new stadium in the near future.
 
bermudasteel said:
Good opinion. Serious question...

Why do you not see Ward and Sanders as blue chip players in today's NFL???
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Here are Hoge's words on Sanders:

"Let's go to the IQ level," Hoge said. "He ain't even close to [Jayden Daniels] and [CJ Stroud]. He ain't even in the ballpark… He can't handle the expectations that are coming his way. He's gonna be an epic failure and he is gonna set your organization back another two or three years."
 
The only college QB I can actually talk about is Shaduer Sanders....With all the Prime hype I probably watched half his games over the last 2 years...Was watching as a fan more than critically but damn his o-lines have been pretty bad...He's a tough mother fuckker though...

And more times than not he made key plays at the end of games to get the W...I felt really confident he would pull out games late, & only failed once as I recall...He's pretty accurate as a passer...He'll take some lumps his first year, but he has a high IQ (Unlike what Hoge said) & will figure the Pro game out...

Is he over-valued cause he's Prime Jr. ? Probably, but hell that Prime factor is real & Deion will make sure he doesn't fail.

Besides all that, the kid has "it"...
 
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SteveA said:
The only college QB I can actually talk about is Shaduer Sanders....With all the Prime hype I probably watched half his games over the last 2 years...Was watching as a fan more than critically but damn his o-lines have been pretty bad...He's a tough mother fuckker though...

And more times than not he made key plays at the end of games to get the W...I felt really confident he would pull out games late, & only failed once as I recall...He's pretty accurate as a passer...He'll take some lumps his first year, but he has a high IQ (Unlike what Hoge said) & will figure the Pro game out...

Is he over-valued cause he's Prime Jr. ? Probably, but hell that Prime factor is real & Deion will make sure he doesn't fail.

Besides all that, the kid has "it"...
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Going along with a terrible line their TEAM had less than 850 yrds rushing. Their top guy had less than 400 yrds. Those are very pathetic stats. They had no threat of running and Sanders would get teed off on. At the very least Sanders is mentally tough and lays it all on the line. My main issue is if we do take Sanders and it doesn't work out we better hit homeruns with everyone else or our draft is pretty much wasted.
 
I watched a chunk of the work out SSanders did at his stadium. I never once saw him hit a receiver in stride. That really concerned me. QBs like that need a receiver to be open to throw. QBs like Ben could throw a guy open by ball placement.

Being so very far from a draft nik, I defer to others better at this than I am, but I wasn't impressed.
 
Avoid_Lloyd said:
I’d say Burrow having 1 elite receiver doesn’t mean he had a great team around him when he turned the Bungles around. To me he moved the needle big time with that team in the early years and was the primary catalyst.

Id make the same argument for Alllen being a big reason the Bills have risen to where they are early in his career
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Josh broke out in his 3rd season, was 15-12 first two with pedestrian numbers.

Burrow’s got two elite WRs, has every great season he’s ever had, college or pro.

Both top 5 guys, but I tend to think Joe is a tad overrated because of his weapons. Could he put up those numbers with the Bills or Chiefs WRs?
 
WindyCitySteel said:
Josh broke out in his 3rd season, was 15-12 first two with pedestrian numbers.

Burrow’s got two elite WRs, has every great season he’s ever had, college or pro.

Both top 5 guys, but I tend to think Joe is a tad overrated because of his weapons. Could he put up those numbers with the Bills or Chiefs WRs?
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Yes I think Allen could with his legs and now his accuracy

Again I think if a 1st round QB takes a bottom tier team deep into the playoffs within 3 years they were a worthy 1st round pick. If they can’t in 4 years in the league then they weren’t worth the pick.

I don’t think there is a QB in this years draft that can do that
 
Food for thought. Exactly 3 qbs taken 20 or lower in the first round have real success in the last 20 years.
Aaron Rogers 24th overall
Lamar Jackson 32nd overall
Jordan Love 26th overall
And Rogers and Love got to sit multiple seasons behind a veteran with juice in the tank.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Food for thought. Exactly 3 qbs taken 20 or lower in the first round have real success in the last 20 years.
Aaron Rogers 24th overall
Lamar Jackson 32nd overall
Jordan Love 26th overall
And Rogers and Love got to sit multiple seasons behind a veteran with juice in the tank.
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That is a pretty scary stat.
 
What about Purdy?

I just hope the Steelers do not out think themselves again at qb, like seems the case since Ben retired
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
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I saw this yesterday and a blurb on ESPN. They were highly critical of the comments. He may have a brash personality, but i don't see the other stuff. The last 2 years he threw for 7300 yards 64Tds and 13Ints. The 2 yrs before that he had 6900 yrds 70Tds and 14Ints. This is without an oline or running game His worst QB rating was 151.7 with a high of 168. He has been very consistent and put up gaudy numbers. I haven't heard him say anything about his teammates and what not. To me whoever made that comment is just a hater or trying to get Sanders to slide.
 
Some guy from Walter Football was on The Fan with Joe and Pomp today, he supposedly was the most accurate mock drafter last year and 3 of the last 7. 40% hit rate in the first round, which tells you how little anyone knows if that was the best, but I digress.

He was asked to rank his top 5 QB prospects, and he prefaced it by saying he values accuracy over everything else at the position.

1. Shedeur Sanders
2. Cam Ward
3. Tyler Shough
4. Jaxson Dart
5. Quinn Ewers
 


of course he put up stats. He played weak defenses and used a spread offense. Plus he had Hunter who could not be covered by anybody they played.



he created a lot of sacks and made the OL look worse than it was. Their offense had tons of screens and short throws and despite that, he often held the ball hoping a big play would develop.

Shedeur had nearly 70% of his completions for 10 yards or less. Most of his deep passes were broken plays. He almost never gets the ball out on time unless it's short and even then he was often late on those throws.



I don't see a 1st round pick
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:


of course he put up stats. He played weak defenses and used a spread offense. Plus he had Hunter who could not be covered by anybody they played.



he created a lot of sacks and made the OL look worse than it was. Their offense had tons of screens and short throws and despite that, he often held the ball hoping a big play would develop.

Shedeur had nearly 70% of his completions for 10 yards or less. Most of his deep passes were broken plays. He almost never gets the ball out on time unless it's short and even then he was often late on those throws.



I don't see a 1st round pick
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This is contradicting. He holds the ball too long for big plays, but yet has 70% of his passes 10 yrds or less. Colorados second WR had more yrds than Hunter the last 2 yrs (over 2k yrds). I'm not pimping Sanders to be a steeler pick, but to say he is not good is wrong. His lowest completion % was about 66% his first year. Next 2 yrs he was about 70% and last year was at 74%. He has been very accurate and consistent. He may not work out, but i don't see much difference between him and the other guys
 
The thing with Allar is he will have 3 years of college ball under his belt. His first season stank. He wasn't very good but how could you tell with the horrendous O they put on the field. You couldn't tell the difference between the type of O they were running from the Steelers. No middle of the field or much down field. Everything was short and the good teams gameplanned for that and shut them down.

This past year was much different. He still didn't have great toys to throw to, but you could see how he improved significantly, throwing the ball and even his mobility. The O put on the field was much better. He was allowed to and able to throw to all areas of the field.

If he improves as he did last year, I can easily see him going in the 1st round.
 
Confluence said:
What about Purdy?

I just hope the Steelers do not out think themselves again at qb, like seems the case since Ben retired
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Purdy wasn't taken in the first round he was taken as the last pick? A great QB can come from anywhere. Just that a wasted pick comes more often then not in the 20-32 range of the first round historically.
 
jitter77 said:
Going along with a terrible line their TEAM had less than 850 yrds rushing. Their top guy had less than 400 yrds. Those are very pathetic stats. They had no threat of running and Sanders would get teed off on. At the very least Sanders is mentally tough and lays it all on the line. My main issue is if we do take Sanders and it doesn't work out we better hit homeruns with everyone else or our draft is pretty much wasted.
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The same could be said for any first-round bust.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
No it's cannot.
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Yes it can. It's why the Steelers have been stuck in the middle for so long. TJ has been their only great first rounder in a decade. They can't even get their decent picks to a second contract. They traded up for Jones and there's still a huge question mark at tackle. You don't think the rest of that draft had to make up for the potential wasted pick? I do.
 
bermudasteel said:
This made me chuckle...

Deion just signed a multi-year contract to STAY w/ the Buffs. No way he's leaving mid-season.

Also, do not be surprised if Milroe is selected before Sanders.
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Yeah, but when has signed multi-year contracts stopped coaches from moving before?
 
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