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"Najee Harris ain't it". NAJEE 3.0 It's time to go, yo....

SteelerInLebanon said:
I disagree on that. I think they know unless they catch lightning in a bottle A A ron just keeps us competitive until they find a long-term solution. Howard has a very outside chance of being the guy but will at least be a good backup replacing Mason after next year. They kept all their extra picks and are set to make a big move if needed next year. I see a definite plan here and not a terrible one. It is a gamble but it always is. A A ron has mentored players before to a degree.
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And again. We are drifting rudderless as a franchise then. To get Ben we had to have a bad season. Going for Tomlinship's year after year has turn us into a shell of the organization we once were.
 
stillwright said:
And again. We are drifting rudderless as a franchise then. To get Ben we had to have a bad season. Going for Tomlinship's year after year has turn us into a shell of the organization we once were.
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We don't have to have a bad season. They have 11 picks next year. You can parlay that into a top 10 pick and still have a few left over. They played the long game this year on comps knowing the QB class was woefully light this year. I see anything but rudderless here I see forethought and planning. They have stocked both lines the last three years and built up some toughness. Grabbed a stud WR to go with a hopefully maturing Pickens setting the table nicely for new QB next year. Better than drafting a QB before restocking and getting them killed like the Browns tend to do.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
We don't have to have a bad season. They have 11 picks next year. You can parlay that into a top 10 pick and still have a few left over. They played the long game this year on comps knowing the QB class was woefully light this year. I see anything but rudderless here I see forethought and planning. They have stocked both lines the last three years and built up some toughness. Grabbed a stud WR to go with a hopefully maturing Pickens setting the table nicely for new QB next year. Better than drafting a QB before restocking and getting them killed like the Browns tend to do.
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Well then. No worries I guess. All is under control. The last decade means nothing.
 
stillwright said:
Well then. No worries I guess. All is under control. The last decade means nothing.
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Khan wasn't in charge the last decade. So far, he and Weidl seem to have a plan. It doesn't always work perfectly like with WR last year but overall, they don't seem to be winging it. I like what they seem to be trying to do and will give them some slack.
 
stillwright said:
And again. We are drifting rudderless as a franchise then. To get Ben we had to have a bad season. Going for Tomlinship's year after year has turn us into a shell of the organization we once were.
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For better and worse, it's a business.

And Rooney isn't massively wealthy from some other source.

He wants to keep the team in it every year so they stay popular.

And while the strategy doesn't make you SB contenders every year, imagine being a Jags or Browns fan where your team is out by the bye week most seasons.

Getting 5 or fewer wins isn't some automatic ticket to getting a very good QB. The Browns and Cincy were mostly terrible for most of the time I've been seriously watching football.

But the truth is that for any franchise without a marquee QB, you just aren't going to be competitive.

Heck, Cincy has been mostly uncompetitive even with Burrow on the roster. Bills fans feel like we did for all the years after the GB SB. But we at least had 3 SB appearances before that.

And look at teams like the Jags. They got a guy who was billed as "the next Manning". And they've sucked. The Chargers have a good QB (again) and haven't had much / any team success (again).

Would it have mattered if we had a higher pick in the Kenny draft?

Would it have mattered if we picked 2nd or later this draft?

There is no fairy QB mother.

I'd be OK starting Mason this year for a better pick next season. But it's not the business model of this team.

I would not be OK with the scorched earth trade everyone strategy. Because I don't think that works often because you destroy the culture of the team. And even the QBs that are highly touted often don't end up doing anything (again: see Jax).
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Khan wasn't in charge the last decade. So far, he and Weidl seem to have a plan. It doesn't always work perfectly like with WR last year but overall, they don't seem to be winging it. I like what they seem to be trying to do and will give them some slack.
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Usually a GM brings in his own HC. Omar's hands are tied. The reason they didn't go outside the organization to bring a new GM in.

Tomlin must stay!!!!

Last year the WR fiasco. This year the QB fiasco. Seems to me that is the definition of winging it. Letting players and organizations string you along for months in back to back off seasons is laughable.

I know you are the optimists........but the organization has been a **** show. Have a plan and direction. Build on it from it year to year. When they ran out all but the same offense from Picketts year one to his year two under 2 different OC I lost all hope of building something. Then Fields and Russ came in and were handcuffed under the same restrictions Tribiskyand Pickett had. Why should I think it will be different next season regardless who our qb is?

Then add in our dismissal failures on the D side of the ball.

Hey though. It all will be worth it when Tomlin eventually gets number 200.
 
stillwright said:
And again. We are drifting rudderless as a franchise then. To get Ben we had to have a bad season. Going for Tomlinship's year after year has turn us into a shell of the organization we once were.
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To get Ben we needed a draft class with 3 potential HoF QBs available, that happens once in a lifetime
 
stillwright said:
Usually a GM brings in his own HC. Omar's hands are tied. The reason they didn't go outside the organization to bring a new GM in.

Tomlin must stay!!!!

Last year the WR fiasco. This year the QB fiasco. Seems to me that is the definition of winging it. Letting players and organizations string you along for months in back to back off seasons is laughable.

I know you are the optimists........but the organization has been a **** show. Have a plan and direction. Build on it from it year to year. When they ran out all but the same offense from Picketts year one to his year two under 2 different OC I lost all hope of building something. Then Fields and Russ came in and were handcuffed under the same restrictions Tribiskyand Pickett had. Why should I think it will be different next season regardless who our qb is?

Then add in our dismissal failures on the D side of the ball.

Hey though. It all will be worth it when Tomlin eventually gets number 200.
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What fiasco? You can't make a franchise QB materialize out of thin air. There are not 32 starting QBs in the league let alone franchise guys. It took Dan Rooney a long time to replace Terry Bradshaw yet many hold Dan in far higher esteem than Art II, Art hasn't gone half as long as Dan did without a franchise QB, yet. I think it is a case of looking at history with rose colored glasses.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
What fiasco? You can't make a franchise QB materialize out of thin air. There are not 32 starting QBs in the league let alone franchise guys. It took Dan Rooney a long time to replace Terry Bradshaw yet many hold Dan in far higher esteem than Art II, Art hasn't gone half as long as Dan did without a franchise QB, yet. I think it is a case of looking at history with rose colored glasses.
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The fiasco of entering this offseason without a QB on our roster.
 
Litos said:
To get Ben we needed a draft class with 3 potential HoF QBs available, that happens once in a lifetime
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Yet other teams get franchise qbs without that. Wonder how?
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Khan wasn't in charge the last decade. So far, he and Weidl seem to have a plan. It doesn't always work perfectly like with WR last year but overall, they don't seem to be winging it. I like what they seem to be trying to do and will give them some slack.
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They do have a plan on paper and that's setting up for a rookie QB next year to have a pretty good roster to work with. They have already invested a lot in the offense and the growth on this side of the ball will depend on the development of the offensive line. Pickens' future with the team is a question as well. They just reloaded the front 7 of the defense. Holes will be at LG, S, and CB. But on paper there are a lot of nice pieces in place and a clear direction for a young QB.
 
stillwright said:
Yet other teams get franchise qbs without that. Wonder how?
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how many don't? how many actual franchise QB's are there? Not just Starters in name but actual carry a team on their backs type QB's? Burrow, Mahomes, Allen. Thats really about it right now. Hurts isn't quite there he needed a great team around him. Washington and Houston maybe found one.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
how many don't? how many actual franchise QB's are there? Not just Starters in name but actual carry a team on their backs type QB's? Burrow, Mahomes, Allen. Thats really about it right now. Hurts isn't quite there he needed a great team around him. Washington and Houston maybe found one.
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You don't draft a franchise qb drafting in the 20s every year. Brady being the exception. There is that.
 
stillwright said:
You don't draft a franchise qb drafting in the 20s every year. Brady being the exception. There is that.
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Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees and Russell Wilson were also exceptions. Maybe it's not where you draft the quarterback that matters, but the situation they are drafted into. It would be interesting (although not interesting enough for me to do it) to see an analysis of first round quarterback draft picks to see where the highest proportion of successes actually is. There are probably more quarterbacks drafted top 5, than any other five pick grouping, and I wouldn't be surprised if the success rate of QBs drafted top 5 is actually lower than some other similar first round pick groupings. Even Patrick Mahomes, whilst drafted at 10, was drafted by a team that traded up from 27 and had just made the Divisional Round.
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees and Russell Wilson were also exceptions. Maybe it's not where you draft the quarterback that matters, but the situation they are drafted into. It would be interesting (although not interesting enough for me to do it) to see an analysis of first round quarterback draft picks to see where the highest proportion of successes actually is. There are probably more quarterbacks drafted top 5, than any other five pick grouping, and I wouldn't be surprised if the success rate of QBs drafted top 5 is actually lower than some other similar first round pick groupings. Even Patrick Mahomes, whilst drafted at 10, was drafted by a team that traded up from 27 and had just made the Divisional Round.
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Situation is huge
Our local radio show had a guy that actually broke down this exact convo you’re speaking of a couple days before the draft.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
how many don't? how many actual franchise QB's are there? Not just Starters in name but actual carry a team on their backs type QB's? Burrow, Mahomes, Allen. Thats really about it right now. Hurts isn't quite there he needed a great team around him. Washington and Houston maybe found one.
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I think Jackson too.

But I agree that the list is very short.

And outside of KC, how much playoff success have those teams had? And the benefit of the rookie contract is all used up on these guys.
 
stillwright said:
Usually a GM brings in his own HC. Omar's hands are tied. The reason they didn't go outside the organization to bring a new GM in.

Tomlin must stay!!!!

Last year the WR fiasco. This year the QB fiasco. Seems to me that is the definition of winging it. Letting players and organizations string you along for months in back to back off seasons is laughable.

I know you are the optimists........but the organization has been a **** show. Have a plan and direction. Build on it from it year to year. When they ran out all but the same offense from Picketts year one to his year two under 2 different OC I lost all hope of building something. Then Fields and Russ came in and were handcuffed under the same restrictions Tribiskyand Pickett had. Why should I think it will be different next season regardless who our qb is?

Then add in our dismissal failures on the D side of the ball.

Hey though. It all will be worth it when Tomlin eventually gets number 200.
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That’s the oversight that some are making. YES, we get new draft class with their share of good players. We have gotten past draft classes with their share of good players as well.

We still have the same coach and scheme.

History has repeated itself many many moons, until you change something it will; remain the same.

Of course there is something along the lines of “the sun shines on a dogs a@Z…………………………………..”




Salute the nation
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
What fiasco? You can't make a franchise QB materialize out of thin air. There are not 32 starting QBs in the league let alone franchise guys. It took Dan Rooney a long time to replace Terry Bradshaw yet many hold Dan in far higher esteem than Art II, Art hasn't gone half as long as Dan did without a franchise QB, yet. I think it is a case of looking at history with rose colored glasses.
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Dan was competitive in the post season without a franchise QB, it's not just Art/Tomlin don't have a franchise QB, it's the fact that they haven't even been competitive in the post season in 10 years. That's the fiasco. Dan went to 5 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl without a Franchise QB. We're not even competitive right now, and haven't been. That's more on Tomlin than anyone, but Art keeps extending the guy, and basically hung up on the Bears when they were calling about trading for Tomlin.
 
stillwright said:
You don't draft a franchise qb drafting in the 20s every year. Brady being the exception. There is that.
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Brady is far from the only exception of QBs not taking in the top 10 and most not in the top 20.

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Tom Brady
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Thomas Edward Patrick Brady, Jr., is a retired American football quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the National Football League. Brady is known for being the only quarterback in history to win 7 Super Bowls, and was often considered one of the best quarterbacks of all time. Brady was also... read more
Still active, of course, Brady was drafted in the 6th round, 199th overall. Quite a bargain. We all know the legacy he will leave behind, and it's still possible he may add to that.

Update: Brady has now officially retired. Seven Super Bowl rings. My gosh.

Joe Montana
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Joseph Clifford "Joe" Montana, Jr., nicknamed Joe Cool and The Comeback Kid, is a retired American football quarterback.
Joe Cool was drafted in the 3rd round, no. 82 overall. This picture is telling. Take a look at that valuable right hand.

Why isn't Joe Montana no. 1? He is the best QB of all time.

Aaron Rodgers
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Aaron Charles Rodgers is an American football quarterback for the Green Bay Packers of the National Football League.
It was a little hard to include Rodgers in the top 10 because his numbers will never compare favorably to the all-time greats. Remember, he sat for three years to start his career and has had a spotty injury history, causing him to miss even more time.

Still, in my eyes, he belongs because he has made some of the most unbelievable throws I have ever seen, and in my opinion, he can throw more accurately on the run than any QB. Rodgers was drafted in the 1st round, but at no. 24 overall. One ring, three NFL MVPs, and who knows, maybe more on the way.

Update: Like Favre before him, Rodgers has been traded to the NYJ. The NFC North teams not in Green Bay breathe a collective sigh of relief. The Packers usher in the Jordan Love era. Love was drafted no. 26 overall in the 2020 Draft and is a candidate to also appear on this list someday.

Johnny Unitas
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John Constantine Unitas, nicknamed "Johnny U", or "The Golden Arm", was an American professional football player from the 1950s through the 1970s.
Drafted in the 9th round, no. 102 overall. Three-time NFL champion, one Super Bowl ring, and three-time NFL MVP.

Dan Marino
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Daniel Constantine Marino Jr. is a former American football player who was a quarterback for the Miami Dolphins of the National Football League.
Drafted in the 1st round, but 27th overall. A nice bargain for the Dolphins. He's the first on this list to not have a ring. However, he retired with many NFL records, and no one would doubt his arm talent and quick release. NFL MVP in 1984.

Brett Favre
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Brett Lorenzo Favre is a former American football quarterback who spent the majority of his career with the Green Bay Packers of the National Football League.
Favre was drafted in the 2nd round, no. 33 overall. The gunslinger took home one ring and three NFL MVPs.

Drew Brees
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Drew Christopher Brees is an American football quarterback for the New Orleans Saints of the National Football League. He is the only player to have back to back to back 5,000 yards in three seasons straight. Brees also has the all time best completion percentage with 66.95%.
Drew Brees was drafted in the 2nd round, no. 32 overall, and won one Super Bowl ring. QB records have been broken by Brees in recent seasons, but it's important to note that the NFL has made significant rule changes over the last 20-25 years to open up the passing game, allowing Brees and other QBs to thrive.

This is not to discredit Brees, who is an all-time great and a brilliant talent, but to acknowledge that QBs before these rule changes did not have the same benefits.

Kurt Warner
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Kurtis Eugene "Kurt" Warner is a former American football quarterback, a current part-time TV football analyst, and a philanthropist.
Not drafted at all. Signed by Green Bay as a free agent in 1994 but released before the season started. One of the greatest stories ever in NFL history, Warner spent five years in the Arena Football League and/or stocking shelves at Hy-Vee. Picked up by the Rams in 1999, the rest is history. One ring, two NFL MVPs.

Ben Roethlisberger
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Benjamin Todd Roethlisberger, Sr., nicknamed Big Ben, is an American football quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers of the National Football League.
1st round, no. 11 overall. Two-time Super Bowl champion.

Fran Tarkenton
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Drafted in the 3rd round, no. 29 overall. One NFL MVP.

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?Russell Wilson
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Russell Carrington Wilson is an American football quarterback for the Denver Broncos, and formerly for the Seattle Seahawks of the National Football League.
Drafted in the 3rd round, 75th overall. What a steal for the 'Hawks. One Super Bowl championship.

?Bart Starr
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17th round, 200th overall. Two-time Super Bowl champion, one NFL MVP. Arguably a better QB than Favre or Rodgers, and certainly a much bigger bargain.

The Contenders
Roger Staubach
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Roger Thomas Staubach, nicknamed Captain America and Captain Comeback, is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League.
10th round, no. 129 overall. Two-time Super Bowl champion."
 
stillwright said:
Usually a GM brings in his own HC. Omar's hands are tied. The reason they didn't go outside the organization to bring a new GM in.

Tomlin must stay!!!!

Last year the WR fiasco. This year the QB fiasco. Seems to me that is the definition of winging it. Letting players and organizations string you along for months in back to back off seasons is laughable.

I know you are the optimists........but the organization has been a **** show. Have a plan and direction. Build on it from it year to year. When they ran out all but the same offense from Picketts year one to his year two under 2 different OC I lost all hope of building something. Then Fields and Russ came in and were handcuffed under the same restrictions Tribiskyand Pickett had. Why should I think it will be different next season regardless who our qb is?

Then add in our dismissal failures on the D side of the ball.

Hey though. It all will be worth it when Tomlin eventually gets number 200.
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LOL, not here, here the Head Coach was interviewing the GM candidates.
 
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